Zone1 What to Do with Gaza?

[BS Filter]

The people of that land who have lived there since time immemorial, have been under the rule of many different governments, so what? That doesn't imply they're not the indigenous people of that land. They're the natives of the land, regardless of whether their property ownership laws resemble ours today in the modern, capitalist West. You're demanding that property ownership laws and living arrangements have to be exactly or similar to ours, and that's just silly. For thousands of years, people in different lands organized their societies differently. Some were feudal, where people lived and worked the land of the king or lord, and they were granted the right to live on that land and even build a home..etc. They could have their plot of land within the realm of the king, their house, village, olive grove, vineyard, markets..etc.

So your disingenuous attempt to illegitimate the Palestinian's right to continue living in their homeland is quite dehumanizing and callous. But what should anyone expect from Todd other than that? This is "typical Todd".

Why haven't they agreed to having a nation. They reject every attempt.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The people of that land who have lived there since time immemorial, have been under the rule of many different governments, so what? That doesn't imply they're not the indigenous people of that land. They're the natives of the land, regardless of whether their property ownership laws resemble ours today in the modern, capitalist West. You're demanding that property ownership laws and living arrangements have to be exactly or similar to ours, and that's just silly. For thousands of years, people in different lands organized their societies differently. Some were feudal, where people lived and worked the land of the king or lord, and they were granted the right to live on that land and even build a home..etc. They could have their plot of land within the realm of the king, their house, village, olive grove, vineyard, markets..etc.

So your disingenuous attempt to illegitimate the Palestinian's right to continue living in their homeland is quite dehumanizing and callous. But what should anyone expect from Todd other than that? This is "typical Todd".

The people of that land who have lived there since time immemorial, have been under the rule of many different governments, so what?

Never under their own rule.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The people of that land who have lived there since time immemorial, have been under the rule of many different governments, so what?

Never under their own rule.

What do you mean by "never under their own rule"? Never under a modern democracy? You're not making any sense.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Todd: "Hamas turns water pipes into rockets. This makes it harder for Gazans to get water"

CM: "Yeah, but they were EU water pipes"

You missed the point. There's no conclusive, smoking gun evidence that Hamas is using all of the water pipes of Gaza or any of them at all and this situation wouldn't exist if Israel wasn't besieging Gaza or occupying Palestinian territory.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Why haven't they agreed to having a nation. They reject every attempt.

Really? Did the Palestinians assassinate Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin? It was a right-wing religious Zionist Jew who murdered him. The PLO eliminated its military wing and finally recognized Israel as a legitimate state, signing the Oslo Accords. to move Israel and Palestine towards a two-state arrangement. What did the Israelis do after the assassination of Rabin? They expanded Jewish settlements into the West Bank like never before. A massive expansion into the Palestinian West Bank, and the Israeli government supported of Hamas:

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Is what has led us to where we are now.

 

[rosends]

You missed the point. There's no conclusive, smoking gun evidence that Hamas is using all of the water pipes of Gaza or any of them at all and this situation wouldn't exist if Israel wasn't besieging Gaza or occupying Palestinian territory.

or any of them? Hamas would disagree

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What do you mean by "never under their own rule"? Never under a modern democracy? You're not making any sense.

Never a Palestinian government ruling Palestine.
No Palestinian leader, no Palestinian currency, no Palestine.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You missed the point. There's no conclusive, smoking gun evidence that Hamas is using all of the water pipes of Gaza or any of them at all and this situation wouldn't exist if Israel wasn't besieging Gaza or occupying Palestinian territory.

You don't have to use "ALL" the pipes to destroy the water distribution system.

 

[TruthNotBS]

or any of them? Hamas would disagree

How were those pipes being used? Are they delivering water to apartment buildings or residential areas? Where are the engineering plans for those pipes? Where do they lead? There's a lot you're not factoring in here. You have nothing but conjecture. This situation wouldn't exist, if not for your Zionist racist apartheid state besieging Gaza and dehumanizing Palestinians. Your illegal occupation of Palestinian territory is what creates these "scenarios" and issues.

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[TruthNotBS]

You don't have to use "ALL" the pipes to destroy the water distribution system.

There's zero evidence that any pipes that deliver water to anyone, are being used. You create the problem, committing the crime then blame the victim for his deplorable condition.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There's zero evidence that any pipes that deliver water to anyone, are being used. You create the problem, committing the crime then blame the victim for his condition.

What kind of pipes were they? Link?

 

[rosends]

How were those pipes being used? Are they delivering water to apartment buildings or residential areas? Where are the engineering plans for those pipes? Where do they lead? There's a lot you're not factoring in here. You have nothing but conjecture. This situation wouldn't exist, if not for your Zionist racist apartheid state besieging Gaza and dehumanizing Palestinians. Your illegal occupation of Palestinian territory is what creates these "scenarios" and issues.

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so the water pipes in the videos don't exist? They were in the ground to bring water somewhere and that place is not unconnected via water pipes. This is Hamas's video, showing what they do with water pipes. Your claim was "There's no conclusive, smoking gun evidence that Hamas is using all of the water pipes of Gaza or any of them at all " and you just changed it to "any pipes that deliver water to anyone, are being used."

Keep dancing...

 

[TruthNotBS]

What kind of pipes were they? Link?

Provide the engineering, city plans that show those pipes were being used to deliver water to anyone. You break the man's spine and legs and then criticize him for being a homeless, wheelchair-bound, unemployed drunk. Why is he a homeless, handicapped drunk? You took his house, you assaulted him, killed his wife and kids...What do you expect?

 

[TruthNotBS]

so the water pipes in the videos don't exist? They were in the ground to bring water somewhere and that place is not unconnected via water pipes. This is Hamas's video, showing what they do with water pipes. Your claim was "There's no conclusive, smoking gun evidence that Hamas is using all of the water pipes of Gaza or any of them at all " and you just changed it to "any pipes that deliver water to anyone, are being used."

Keep dancing...

Or any at all in the sense of depriving people of water or justifying the water shortage situation which Todd disingenuously blames Hamas for. Again, this situation wouldn't exist if the Zionist apartheid state wasn't illegally besieging Gaza and occupying Palestinian territory. So your criticism is moot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Provide the engineering, city plans that show those pipes were being used to deliver water to anyone. You break the man's spine and legs and then criticize him for being a homeless, wheelchair-bound, unemployed drunk. Why is he a homeless, handicapped drunk? You took his house, you assaulted him, killed his wife and kids...What do you expect?

You said there is no proof they were water pipes.
Were they digging up sewer pipes? Natural gas pipes? Seems less likely.

You break the man's spine and legs and then criticize him for being a homeless,

You dig up water pipes and then whine you have no water.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Or any at all in the sense of depriving people of water or justifying the water shortage situation which Todd disingenuously blames Hamas for. Again, this situation wouldn't exist if the Zionist apartheid state wasn't illegally besieging Gaza and occupying Palestinian territory. So your criticism is moot.

How much did Hamas spend on digging terror tunnels?
How much did Hamas spend on improving the water system?

 

[TruthNotBS]

You said there is no proof they were water pipes.
Were they digging up sewer pipes? Natural gas pipes? Seems less likely.

You break the man's spine and legs and then criticize him for being a homeless,

You dig up water pipes and then whine you have no water.

You haven't proven how the pipes were being used, so again your point is irrelevant. You're also ignoring the cause of all of this hardship which is the Israeli occupation and besieging of Gaza.

 

[TruthNotBS]

How much did Hamas spend on digging terror tunnels?
How much did Hamas spend on improving the water system?

Lift the blockade on Gaza and stop occupying Palestinian territory. The Israeli government was actually supporting Hamas, to cause division and strife:

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[Toddsterpatriot]

You haven't proven how the pipes were being used, so again your point is irrelevant. You're also ignoring the cause of all of this hardship which is the Israeli occupation and besieging of Gaza.

There is a limited number of choices.
Come up with one that doesn't degrade living conditions in Gaza.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Lift the blockade on Gaza and stop occupying Palestinian territory.

You never explained why Israel blockades Gaza.