What was the biggest lie that re-elected Obama?

From Forbes

These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed. Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently. The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.

Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.

In The End of Prosperity, supply side guru Art Laffer and Wall Street Journal chief financial writer Steve Moore point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25-year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001. They wrote:
Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures - Forbes
 
From Forbes

These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed. Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently. The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.

Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.

In The End of Prosperity, supply side guru Art Laffer and Wall Street Journal chief financial writer Steve Moore point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25-year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001. They wrote:
Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures - Forbes

Its true, economists call the entire period "The Great Moderation"

Imagine if Obama could get 7% growth like that!! Libturds are critical of Reagan for 7% but accepting of Barry's 1%!!!

What does this say about IQ and character of liberals??
 
So this butthurt thread is still going strong, huh?


:D

The gift that keeps on giving, indeed. :clap2:

Clap and cheer all you want.

But the bottom line is this...

You guys re-elected a man who:

1) Spent a trillion bucks to get, at best, 1% growth.

2) Admits that he can not work with the other side of the aisle

3) Increased the deficit by 6 trillion with little to show for it

4) allowed a program where the US was selling arms to the enemy of an ally...one definition of an act of war

5) Admitted that an indepnedent investigation and report was necessary for his state department to realize that they should pay more attnention to wires from ambassadors in volatile regions asking for more security (really? They needed to spend money on an investigation to come to that conclusion?)

So please...continue to applaud your efforts for getting the man re-elected. Afterall, he is doing a wonderful job!
 
So this butthurt thread is still going strong, huh?


:D

The gift that keeps on giving, indeed. :clap2:

Clap and cheer all you want.

But the bottom line is this...

You guys re-elected a man who:

1) Spent a trillion bucks to get, at best, 1% growth.

2) Admits that he can not work with the other side of the aisle

3) Increased the deficit by 6 trillion with little to show for it

4) allowed a program where the US was selling arms to the enemy of an ally...one definition of an act of war

5) Admitted that an indepnedent investigation and report was necessary for his state department to realize that they should pay more attnention to wires from ambassadors in volatile regions asking for more security (really? They needed to spend money on an investigation to come to that conclusion?)

So please...continue to applaud your efforts for getting the man re-elected. Afterall, he is doing a wonderful job!

hey, if liberals loved FDR through the entire Depression and World War 11 they can easily love Barry through 8 years of recession. We are not dealing with thoughful people, sadly.
 
hey, if liberals loved FDR through the entire Depression and World War 11 they can easily love Barry through 8 years of recession. We are not dealing with thoughful people, sadly.

Conservatives keep voting for the same policies that destroyed the economy in the first place. Those who do not learn from their mistakes, are condemned to repeat them. Now they paint the guy who is getting the country out of the mess they created as communist because he said "Enough" of robbing from the poor to give to the rich, it's time to put a stop to this nonsense.

Democrats quite rightly decided that the conservatives are functionally incapable of managing the economy to benefit anyone but themselves and their wealthy friends and are refusing to vote for more of this kind of bullshit entitled elitist economic policies, whereby the rich continue to get richer and the rest of us get screwed.

Republicans, who feel entitled to all of the wealth of the country, and access to lucrative government contracts in defense and homeland security to boot, continue to act like the people they have driven into poverty and need are the "takers". The takers are the guys at the top who have increased their wealth at the expense of the poor and middle class and are now crying "foul" that they're not going to be allowed to do that any more.
 
hey, if liberals loved FDR through the entire Depression and World War 11 they can easily love Barry through 8 years of recession. We are not dealing with thoughful people, sadly.

Conservatives keep voting for the same policies that destroyed the economy in the first place. Those who do not learn from their mistakes, are condemned to repeat them. Now they paint the guy who is getting the country out of the mess they created as communist because he said "Enough" of robbing from the poor to give to the rich, it's time to put a stop to this nonsense.

Democrats quite rightly decided that the conservatives are functionally incapable of managing the economy to benefit anyone but themselves and their wealthy friends and are refusing to vote for more of this kind of bullshit entitled elitist economic policies, whereby the rich continue to get richer and the rest of us get screwed.

Republicans, who feel entitled to all of the wealth of the country, and access to lucrative government contracts in defense and homeland security to boot, continue to act like the people they have driven into poverty and need are the "takers". The takers are the guys at the top who have increased their wealth at the expense of the poor and middle class and are now crying "foul" that they're not going to be allowed to do that any more.

What policies ?
name one policy that the GOP in congress passed and a GOP President signed that has harmed this nation
They managed the economy from Rewagan to GWB 2, even during Clintons time (from 94 with congress) and except 2008
it has been smoking
sense the libs have taken over 100%, at least 67%, it has been a wreck

GWB tax break gave more to the poor and middle class
another low informed liberal
Overall, the biggest percentage cuts went to the poorest of the poor (those with incomes in the $10,000 range) and the next biggest to those making about $60,000. Surprised? I bet not; you’re wondering about the other cuts – the ones on dividends, capital gains, and inheritance taxes that allegedly skew gains to the rich. Well lets add all those changes in, along with all the other Bush tax breaks such as the child-care tax credit, the earned income tax credit, the AMT, etc.:


The biggest percentage tax cut—about 17.6 percent—went to taxpayers in the second-lowest quintile, that is to taxpayers with below-average incomes. After that, the size of the tax cut falls off as you move from the lower middle to the middle middle (12.6 percent) to the upper middle class (9.9 percent). It rises again slightly for the top quintile, but only to a little over 11 percent
Bush?s Tax Cuts for the ?Rich? Actually Favor the Poor | AllFinancialMatters
 
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Conservatives keep voting for the same policies that destroyed the economy in the first place. .

too stupid!! Fanny Freddie Fed FDIC CRA FHA destroyed the economy. Who can say with a straight face they didn't or were not very heavily involved.
 
What policies ?
name one policy that the GOP in congress passed and a GOP President signed that has harmed this nation
They managed the economy from Rewagan to GWB 2, even during Clintons time (from 94 with congress) and except 2008
it has been smoking
sense the libs have taken over 100%, at least 67%, it has been a wreck

Basically everything done to shift the US to free-market reforms over the past 30 years lead to the debacle in 2008-2010, starting with Reagan's tax cuts. The only thing that saved the collapse from totalling taking down the economy is the bailout of the auto industry, and emergency unemployment funds. Romney would have let the auto industry go and those markets would have gone permanently to Japan and Germany.

Friedman's policies have had the same result everywhere. Large US multi-nationals scoop up the plum national infrastructure corporations, cut wages and benefits to increase profits, wage and price controls are eliminated, markets become extremely volatile as capital investment flees on rumours of any social spending, the poor population explodes, the middle class disappears, the country's wealthy and government officials make obscene amounts of money, and the rich US multinationals move on to the next country in crisis, leaving behind high prices, high unemployment, and the poor in dire straights.

How is this different than what has happened in the US? With capital free to move, US companies outsource manufacturing, sitting on the savings. But with few manufacturing jobs, the base consumer population isn't able to spend as much. The bigger worry is that there are few ways for multi-nationals to extract more wealth from Americans because there isn't that much left that they don't already have.

The Iraq War was one way that Cheney, Bush et all could profit enormously and they did. Now that there is no war crisis to focus on, the Republicans are going to have to find some way of keeping money flowing into corporate coffers. That's why the Republicans are getting all ugly about Obama. He is about all that stands between your money, and the corporations, and I don't have a lot of confidence that he won't let them have their way.
 
Basically everything done to shift the US to free-market reforms over the past 30 years lead to the debacle in 2008-2010,.

OF course thats very very very stupid and liberal given that crash was caused by Fanny Freddie Fed FDIC CRA FHA all of which are anti free market!!!

How could any single human being be so slow??? unless of course that human being was a liberal
 
Conservatives keep voting for the same policies that destroyed the economy in the first place. .

too stupid!! Fanny Freddie Fed FDIC CRA FHA destroyed the economy. Who can say with a straight face they didn't or were not very heavily involved.

Considering F+F's share of the market in 2003-7 dropped from 80% to 25% while private lenders went batshytte for toxic assets (rated A+ by Booosh regulators), I'd say you're one of the 40% brainwashed dupes, Dr. Rushfoxbeckbot...

OP- NO LIES, dupes. Thanks for the depression, the stupidest wars ever, and 3 1/2 years of mindless obstruction. Change the channel or gth, literally. lol
 
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Considering F+F's share of the market in 2003-7 dropped from 80% to 25% while private lenders went batshytte for toxic assets (rated A+ by Booosh regulators), l

are you a typical lying liberal or do you have evidence?????? The data in Reckless Endangment and The Financial Crisis show the exact opposite!!

Lets see how the typical liberal illliterate does!!
 
OF course thats very very very stupid and liberal given that crash was caused by Fanny Freddie Fed FDIC CRA FHA all of which are anti free market!!!

How could any single human being be so slow??? unless of course that human being was a liberal

Did Rush tell you that. He was on drugs. The crash wasn't caused by either outfit.

The crash was caused by Goldman Sachs selling all of this toxic shit to their customers around the world. The crash was caused by Wall Street types more interested in making commissions than in doing was right for their clients. The crash was caused by Bush cutting taxes so that the government was strangled for cash, while he funnelled billions to Cheney and Rumsfeld through Haliburton and Searle. The crash was caused by American companies outsourcing American jobs.

Only those too stupid to be one person believes anything Rush tells them.
 
OF course thats very very very stupid and liberal given that crash was caused by all of which are anti free market!!!

How could any single human being be so slow??? unless of course that human being was a liberal

Did Rush tell you that. He was on drugs. The crash wasn't caused by either outfit.

The crash was caused by Goldman Sachs selling all of this toxic shit to their customers around the world. The crash was caused by Wall Street types more interested in making commissions than in doing was right for their clients. The crash was caused by Bush cutting taxes so that the government was strangled for cash, while he funnelled billions to Cheney and Rumsfeld through Haliburton and Searle. The crash was caused by American companies outsourcing American jobs.

Only those too stupid to be one person believes anything Rush tells them.

dear you clean forgot to say how Fanny Freddie Fed FDIC CRA FHA were not involved??????????


our great newspapers and economists on left and right agree it was liberal government that caused the current depression.

"First consider the once controversial view that the crisis was largely caused by the Fed's holding interest rates too low for too long after the 2001 recession. This view is now so widely held that the editorial pages of both the NYTimes and the Wall Street Journal agree on its validity!"...John B. Taylor


" The Federal reserve having done so much to create the problems in which the economy is now mired, having mistakenly thought that even after the housing bubble burst the problems were contained, and having underestimated the severity of the crisis, now wants to make a contribution to preventing the economy from sinking into a Japanese Style malaise....... - "Joseph Stiglitz"( uber left economist)

You may not have heard of the Federal Reserve system but it exists to inflate and deflate the currency supply through the housing market. They inflated too much for too long. This caused what they call a housing bubble. While the bubble was inflating all the big banks and many insurance companies bought bubble mortgages thinking they were sound rather than merely purchased or made possible by newly printed funny money. When the bubble deflated they all lost money on the mortgages. It would be analogous to the government making cars and giving them to GM so everyone could have a car. If GM got them by the ton and for very little money of course they would find a way to move them . This is essentially what the Banks did with the free money. In addition to the Federal Reserve System you had Fanny and Freddie which bought and guaranteed many of the mortgages so no one had to worry about them failing. Then you had CRA, FHA, Federal Home Loan Bank Board( 3% down payment loans) and several others that were designed to get everybody in their own home.

When the states tried to move against predatory lending by national banks they were blocked by the bank's federal regulator, the office of the comptroller of the currency, That empowered money lenders say Lynn Turner.

Just as significantly you had very badly conceived accounting rules that hid the problems from everyone until it was too late. Accounting rules are supposed to do the opposite, not move billions in potential liabilities off the balance sheet onto tiny footnote on the bottom of a page as happened at Citibank, or onto on sentence at the end of a 10-Q report as happened at AIG, or as generally happened with SIVs (structured investment vehicles). Then you had gov't rules from the last crisis, the Enron Crisis, the created mark-to- market accounting rules for this crisis that many believe greatly exacerbated this crisis.

Then you had the problem with the government backed ratings agencies that simply failed to rate the mortgage backed and related securities, properly. Sorry, it had little to do with Bush, but had everything to do with inane attempts by the liberal to regulate the free market!


Warren Buffett: "There are significant limits to what regulation can accomplish. As a dramatic illustration, take two of the biggest accounting disasters in the past ten years: Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. We're talking billions and billions of dollars of misstatements at both places".

Now, these are two incredibly important institutions. I mean, they accounted for over 40% of the mortgage flow a few years back. Right now I think they're up to 70%. They're quasi-governmental in nature. So the government set up an organization called OFHEO. I'm not sure what all the letters stand for. [Note to Warren: They stand for Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight.] But if you go to OFHEO's website, you'll find that its purpose was to just watch over these two companies. OFHEO had 200 employees. Their job was simply to look at two companies and say, "Are these guys behaving like they're supposed to?" And of course what happened were two of the greatest accounting misstatements in history while these 200 people had their jobs. It's incredible. I mean, two for two!

“Whatever regulatory changes are made, they will pale in comparison to the change already evident in today’s markets,” he said. “Those markets for an indefinite future will be far more restrained than would any currently contemplated new regulatory regime.”-Alan Greenspan

Courtesy A. Smith:FDR created Fannie.
LBJ Privatized Fannie - creating an "enron" like environment:
Greg Mankiw's Blog: Thanks, LBJ

Carter's Community Reinvestment Act - accelerated by Clinton - pushed risky loans:
Community Reinvestment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clinton pushed Fannie into Subprime - the most critical mistake:
Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie - Page 1 - News - New York - Village Voice

Even the NY Times figured this out: Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com

Bush and McCain attempted to reform Fannie on 17 occasions
Bush Called For Reform of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 17 Times in 2008 Alone Only To Have Dems Ignored His Warnings :: Political News and commentaries :: Hyscience

The risky subprime loans fueled another layer of risk - derivatives
https://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/2947518

The LA Times reported on Clinton's "subprime" success in 1999:
Minorities' Home Ownership Booms Under Clinton but Still Lags Whites' - Los Angeles Times
 
But thanks for the prepared Pub propaganda. Bush had nothing to do with it LOL. Read SOMETHING, dupe. By 2008 it was all over...80% the fault of private lenders, and CRA didn't cause any problems till Booosh perverted it. Ay caramba!
 
F+F got in on the feast way late. You can tell because its bailout was 20% of the total. Of course Bush wanted to "reform" IT, and ignore that Wall St. was about to collapse lol.
 
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But thanks for the prepared Pub propaganda. Bush had nothing to do with it LOL. Read SOMETHING, dupe. By 2008 it was all over...80% the fault of private lenders, and CRA didn't cause any problems till Booosh perverted it. Ay caramba!

What did GWB have to do with the 08 crash?
what legeslation was put forth and passed in congress that had anything to do with the 08 events?
 

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