What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?

[georgephillip]

"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ...

US Involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Solution or Complication? by Lt. Col. Mohammed F. Abo-Sak

In 1948 (CE) two-thirds of the people living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River were not Jews; however, a Jewish state was imposed upon them by force of arms.

Why among all the people on this planet are Jews entitled to land their ancestors lived on thousands of years ago?

 

[JStone]

"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ...

You have any archaeological verification? No, I didn't think so.

Pals are merely nomads from Arabia who migrated to Israel in the 20th century.

Jews and Christians have lived hundreds and thousands of years before there was even a Mahomet or an Arab history.

 

[JStone]

"In 1948 (CE) two-thirds of the people living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River were not Jews; however, a Jewish state was imposed upon them by force of arms.

In 1000 BCE, most of the people living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River were Jews. Jews have lived continuously in Israel and its capital Jerusalem since then.

Arabs are from Arabia.

 

[georgephillip]

What gives Jews rights to land their ancestors conquered three thousand years ago?
Their Holy Book?

 

[JStone]

What gives Jews rights to land their ancestors conquered three thousand years ago?
Their Holy Book?

Prior possession.

 

[georgephillip]

Does "prior possession" apply only to Jews?
How about Cherokee?

 

[JStone]

Does "prior possession" apply only to Jews?
How about Cherokee?

Cherokee got screwed. They should have hired a Jewish lawyer

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ...

You have any archaeological verification? No, I didn't think so.

Pals are merely nomads from Arabia who migrated to Israel in the 20th century.

Jews and Christians have lived hundreds and thousands of years before there was even a Mahomet or an Arab history.

On September 3, (1947) UNSCOP issued its report to the General Assembly declaring its majority recommendation that Palestine be partitioned into separate Jewish and Arab states. It noted that the population of Palestine at the end of 1946 was estimated to be almost 1,846,000, with 1,203,000 Arabs (65 percent) and 608,000 Jews (33 percent). Growth of the Jewish population had been mainly the result of immigration, while growth of the Arab population had been “almost entirely” due to natural increase.

http://lalqila.wordpress.com/2011/0...tion-181-“created”-israel-based-upon-an-unde/

 

[P F Tinmore]

http://www.humanrightsinstitute.com/History_Versus_Arab_Claims.asp

"....Palestine was described by travelers as a desolate empty, ruined land.
Thomas Shaw (1738),
Volney (1783, 1784, 1785),
James Finn (1878),
Alphonse de Lamartine (1835) and
Mark Twain (1867) all wrote about it with Horror.

Volney described the "ruined" and desolate" country and estimated the total population of the much larger area he saw as no more than 50,000 to 100,000.

Lamartine wrote:

"Outside the gates of Jerusalem we saw Indeed no living object, heard no living object, heard no living sound, we found the same void the same silence…
as we should have expected before the entombed gates of Pompeli or Herculaneam…a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, on the highways in the country…the tomb of a whole people.
"(Recollections of the East, vol. 1, pp. 268, 308, London, 1815).
[........]
George Adam Smith, a geographer who visited Palestine in 1830 before the changes made by European Immigrants, described the country as
a mixture of barren, treeless land, and malarial weed-grown swamps.

Jews who bought this worthless land were called "children of death" because many of them did not survive. Now, almost a hundred years later,
Arafat labels these immigrants "invaders" and demands the right to take over their land.

Did these immigrants destroy the "indigenous culture" Arafat described as existing until European Jews came as immigrants? Or did they improve matters?

The old travelers and geographers found no indigenous culture. They told of isolated villages, each an enemy of the next, of Arab marauders, of incredible poverty, disease and beggars.

Mark Twain described mudhouses five to seven feet high, covered with discs of camel dung for fuel because there was no timber of any consequence in Palestine.
Tiberias was described in appalling terms by Twain.

Smith called it a "poor fevered place of less than 5,000 inhabitants."

Cunningham Geikie wrote of Galilee that "Tiberias and the wretched Magdala are the only inhabited places on the whole lake, although in the day of our Lord nine towns and many villages,
all populous were found on its shores or on the hillsides behind."

Jerusalem was described by Mark Twain as having "rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt…. Lepers, cripples, the blind, and the idiotic, assail you on every hand,
and they know but one word of but one language apparently—the eternal "bucksheesh."

All travelers described Arabs and Jews living in these dreadful conditions. None saw a people called "Palestinians" who are said by Arafat to have lived in a verdant Palestine with an ancient culture.

Records such as the 1920 British Foreign Office Peace Handbooks (Mohammedan History) show that Arabs as well as Jews benefited from immigration of these European Jews to that desolate land.

All travelers made clear that Jews continued to live in the land.
There is no suggestion that Jews ever abandoned their claim to it. It was this continuity of Jewish presence in their land that Reverend James Parkes, writing in "Whose Land?"
considered to be the real title deeds of Jews to their land....."

http://www.humanrightsinstitute.com/History_Versus_Arab_Claims.asp
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In 1615 the English traveler George Sandys described Palestine as "a land that flows with milk and honey; in the midst as it were of the habitable world, and under a temperate clime; adorned with beautiful mountains and luxurious valleys; the rocks producing excellent waters; and no part empty of delight or profit."(4)

A British missionary who lived in Beirut and visited Palestine in 1859 described the southern coastal area as "a very ocean of wheat," and the British Consul in Jerusalem, James Finn, reported that "the fields would do credit to British farming."(5)

The German geographer Alexander Scholch concluded that between 1856 and 1882 "Palestine produced a relatively large agricultural surplus which was marketed in neighboring countries, such as Egypt and Lebanon, and increasingly exported to Europe. These exports included wheat, barley, dura, maise, sesame, olive oil, soap, oranges, vegetables and cotton. Among the European importers of Palestinian produce were France, England, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Malta."(6)

Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."(7) This Palestinian wheat had historically played an important part in international commerce. According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."(8)

Agricultural techniques in Palestine, especially in citriculture, were among the most advanced in the world long before the first Zionist settlers came to its shores. In 1856, the American consul in Jerusalem, Henry Gillman, "outlined reasons why orange growers in Florida would find it advantageous to adopt Palestinian techniques of grafting directly onto lemon trees."^ In 1893, the British Consul advised his government of the value of importing "young trees procured from Jaffa" to improve production in Australia and South Africa.(10)

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

 

[JStone]

http://www.humanrightsinstitute.com/History_Versus_Arab_Claims.asp

"....Palestine was described by travelers as a desolate empty, ruined land.
Thomas Shaw (1738),
Volney (1783, 1784, 1785),
James Finn (1878),
Alphonse de Lamartine (1835) and
Mark Twain (1867) all wrote about it with Horror.

Volney described the "ruined" and desolate" country and estimated the total population of the much larger area he saw as no more than 50,000 to 100,000.

Lamartine wrote:

"Outside the gates of Jerusalem we saw Indeed no living object, heard no living object, heard no living sound, we found the same void the same silence…
as we should have expected before the entombed gates of Pompeli or Herculaneam…a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, on the highways in the country…the tomb of a whole people.
"(Recollections of the East, vol. 1, pp. 268, 308, London, 1815).
[........]
George Adam Smith, a geographer who visited Palestine in 1830 before the changes made by European Immigrants, described the country as
a mixture of barren, treeless land, and malarial weed-grown swamps.

Jews who bought this worthless land were called "children of death" because many of them did not survive. Now, almost a hundred years later,
Arafat labels these immigrants "invaders" and demands the right to take over their land.

Did these immigrants destroy the "indigenous culture" Arafat described as existing until European Jews came as immigrants? Or did they improve matters?

The old travelers and geographers found no indigenous culture. They told of isolated villages, each an enemy of the next, of Arab marauders, of incredible poverty, disease and beggars.

Mark Twain described mudhouses five to seven feet high, covered with discs of camel dung for fuel because there was no timber of any consequence in Palestine.
Tiberias was described in appalling terms by Twain.

Smith called it a "poor fevered place of less than 5,000 inhabitants."

Cunningham Geikie wrote of Galilee that "Tiberias and the wretched Magdala are the only inhabited places on the whole lake, although in the day of our Lord nine towns and many villages,
all populous were found on its shores or on the hillsides behind."

Jerusalem was described by Mark Twain as having "rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt…. Lepers, cripples, the blind, and the idiotic, assail you on every hand,
and they know but one word of but one language apparently—the eternal "bucksheesh."

All travelers described Arabs and Jews living in these dreadful conditions. None saw a people called "Palestinians" who are said by Arafat to have lived in a verdant Palestine with an ancient culture.

Records such as the 1920 British Foreign Office Peace Handbooks (Mohammedan History) show that Arabs as well as Jews benefited from immigration of these European Jews to that desolate land.

All travelers made clear that Jews continued to live in the land.
There is no suggestion that Jews ever abandoned their claim to it. It was this continuity of Jewish presence in their land that Reverend James Parkes, writing in "Whose Land?"
considered to be the real title deeds of Jews to their land....."

http://www.humanrightsinstitute.com/History_Versus_Arab_Claims.asp
-
-

In 1615 the English traveler George Sandys described Palestine as "a land that flows with milk and honey; in the midst as it were of the habitable world, and under a temperate clime; adorned with beautiful mountains and luxurious valleys; the rocks producing excellent waters; and no part empty of delight or profit."(4)

A British missionary who lived in Beirut and visited Palestine in 1859 described the southern coastal area as "a very ocean of wheat," and the British Consul in Jerusalem, James Finn, reported that "the fields would do credit to British farming."(5)

The German geographer Alexander Scholch concluded that between 1856 and 1882 "Palestine produced a relatively large agricultural surplus which was marketed in neighboring countries, such as Egypt and Lebanon, and increasingly exported to Europe. These exports included wheat, barley, dura, maise, sesame, olive oil, soap, oranges, vegetables and cotton. Among the European importers of Palestinian produce were France, England, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Malta."(6)

Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."(7) This Palestinian wheat had historically played an important part in international commerce. According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."(8)

Agricultural techniques in Palestine, especially in citriculture, were among the most advanced in the world long before the first Zionist settlers came to its shores. In 1856, the American consul in Jerusalem, Henry Gillman, "outlined reasons why orange growers in Florida would find it advantageous to adopt Palestinian techniques of grafting directly onto lemon trees."^ In 1893, the British Consul advised his government of the value of importing "young trees procured from Jaffa" to improve production in Australia and South Africa.(10)

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

Bogus source.

Mark Twain, "Innocence Abroad"...

Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be the prince. The hills are barren, they are dull of color, they are unpicturesque in shape. The valleys are unsightly deserts fringed with a feeble vegetation that has an expression about it of being sorrowful and despondent. The Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee sleep in the midst of a vast stretch of hill and plain wherein the eye rests upon no pleasant tint, no striking object, no soft picture dreaming in a purple haze or mottled with the shadows of the clouds. Every outline is harsh, every feature is distinct, there is no perspective--distance works no enchantment here. It is a hopeless, dreary, heart-broken land.

Small shreds and patches of it must be very beautiful in the full flush of spring, however, and all the more beautiful by contrast with the far-reaching desolation that surrounds them on every side. I would like much to see the fringes of the Jordan in spring-time, and Shechem, Esdraelon, Ajalon and the borders of Galilee--but even then these spots would seem mere toy gardens set at wide intervals in the waste of a limitless desolation.

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Where Sodom and Gomorrah reared their domes and towers, that solemn sea now floods the plain, in whose bitter waters no living thing exists--over whose waveless surface the blistering air hangs motionless and dead--about whose borders nothing grows but weeds, and scattering tufts of cane, and that treacherous fruit that promises refreshment to parching lips, but turns to ashes at the touch. Nazareth is forlorn; about that ford of Jordan where the hosts of Israel entered the Promised Land with songs of rejoicing, one finds only a squalid camp of fantastic Bedouins of the desert; Jericho the accursed, lies a moldering ruin, to-day, even as Joshua's miracle left it more than three thousand years ago; Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and their humiliation, have nothing about them now to remind one that they once knew the high honor of the Saviour's presence; the hallowed spot where the shepherds watched their flocks by night, and where the angels sang Peace on earth, good will to men, is untenanted by any living creature, and unblessed by any feature that is pleasant to the eye.

Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur, and is become a pauper village; the riches of Solomon are no longer there to compel the admiration of visiting Oriental queens; the wonderful temple which was the pride and the glory of Israel, is gone, and the Ottoman crescent is lifted above the spot where, on that most memorable day in the annals of the world, they reared the Holy Cross.

The noted Sea of Galilee, where Roman fleets once rode at anchor and the disciples of the Saviour sailed in their ships, was long ago deserted by the devotees of war and commerce, and its borders are a silent wilderness; Capernaum is a shapeless ruin; Magdala is the home of beggared Arabs; Bethsaida and Chorazin have vanished from the earth, and the "desert places" round about them where thousands of men once listened to the Saviour's voice and ate the miraculous bread, sleep in the hush of a solitude that is inhabited only by birds of prey and skulking foxes.

Palestine is desolate and unlovely. And why should it be otherwise? Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land?

Palestine is no more of this work-day world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition--it is dream-land.
Innocents Abroad - Chapter LVI by Mark Twain

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bogus source

Of course it is. If it is not (http://www.israelibullshit.il) it is a bogus source.

 

[JStone]

Bogus source

Of course it is. If it is not (http://www.israelibullshit.il) it is a bogus source.

Your source is BOGUS. Mark Twain on his dreary impressions of desolate Palestine is genuine.

 

[Monnagonna]

Mark Twain was an alcoholic.

 

[JStone]

Mark Twain was an alcoholic.

You're illiterate.

 

[Monnagonna]

Mark Twain was an alcoholic.

You're illiterate.

You seem to like to quote alcoholics who support israel.

 

[JStone]

Mark Twain was an alcoholic.

You're illiterate.

You seem to like to quote alcoholics who support israel.

When you achieve Mark Twain's stature, we'll have a parade. In the meantime, you're just an illiterate punkass posting on the internet in torn underwear.

 

[Monnagonna]

You're illiterate.

You seem to like to quote alcoholics who support israel.

When you achieve Mark Twain's stature, we'll have a parade. In the meantime, you're just an illiterate punkass posting on the internet in torn underwear.

I'm still in my PJs, lol.

You mean when I popularize the word "******" again? Then you'll respect me?

 

[Shogun]

You're illiterate.

You seem to like to quote alcoholics who support israel.

When you achieve Mark Twain's stature, we'll have a parade. In the meantime, you're just an illiterate punkass posting on the internet in torn underwear.

mark twain was a writer, nothing more nothing less. Maybe you can quote some JK Rowling next, ****** Jim.



The JIDF is out in full force today.

 

[JStone]

You seem to like to quote alcoholics who support israel.

When you achieve Mark Twain's stature, we'll have a parade. In the meantime, you're just an illiterate punkass posting on the internet in torn underwear.

I'm still in my PJs, lol.

You mean when I popularize the word "******" again? Then you'll respect me?

You're unemployed and living at home, loser.

 

[Shogun]

When you achieve Mark Twain's stature, we'll have a parade. In the meantime, you're just an illiterate punkass posting on the internet in torn underwear.

I'm still in my PJs, lol.

You mean when I popularize the word "******" again? Then you'll respect me?

You're unemployed and living at home, loser.

says the JIDF loser..