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Well, it says "the party convicted...", that leads me to think its a conditional statement. Conditional in that, if the impeached party is convicted, they are then also subject to criminal charged, but if not convicted, then the rest doesn't apply.I'm curious if that is possible, because of this:He will be acquited on all that.
Such will cause the TDS morons to take the next step and try to prosecute him as a civilian for nonsense.
but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
If trump is not convicted, then he would not be able to be sued again in civil court. Wouldn't that trigger the double jeopardy clause?I'm curious if that is possible, because of this:He will be acquited on all that.
Such will cause the TDS morons to take the next step and try to prosecute him as a civilian for nonsense.
but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
If trump is not convicted, then he would not be able to be sued again in civil court. Wouldn't that trigger the double jeopardy clause?
You are misconstruing the meaning of this paragraph completely. There can only be two punishments for impeachment regardless of whether criminal activity was involved. The first punishment is removal from office and the second is a prohibition against seeking election for any public office.These are the only punishments the Senate can impose.
The clause you quoted is, in essence, a “notwithstanding” clause. Which means that regardless of whether he has been convicted and removed from office and barred from all from running for office in future, he can still be arrested on criminal charges tried convicted and jailed for any crimes for which he was impeached.
An impeachment is not a criminal trial and therefore the “double jeopardy rule” doesn’t apply.
As far as the double jealousy clause, I don't believe there is a requirement that it has to be a criminal trial. The 5th ammendment doesn't make that distinction. It just says no personal shall be subject twice to the same offense.
It just doesn't make sense to allow both, because it could very easily be a prosecution of personal vendetta. If the impeached is not found guilty in the senate trial, we'll then we can just keep on suing him until we get the outcome we desire. I don't think the justice system was intended to be used that way, and likely why they put that in the 5th ammendment.
Also, I don't think a criminal trial is possible for trump as it would be impossible to select a jury that isn't biased, since EVERYONE knows about this case.
In Trump's first impeachment, the Republican Senator's said that they believed Trump guilty, but they thought it wrong to take that decision away from the American voters and that they should be allowed to decide his fate. In reality, they didn't want to be primaried and they were scared of Trump. And he could be charged criminally once he's out of office.
No one is scared of Trump, they are scared of Trump voters.
If a Republican decides to forfeit the 93% of all GOP votes, its just too big of a mountain to overcome. Regardless of how much liberals like you SAY you will respect guys like Flake and Romney, you'll stab them in the back during the general election and you know that's true.
Remember John McCain. Spent a quarter century kissing liberal butt. Finally got the nomination. The libs IMMEDIATELY threw him under the bus for Hussein.
Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
Sycophants have to sycophant.Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
Sycophants have to sycophant.Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
trump was Impeached the first time for his actions in regard to asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival.
trump was Impeached the second time for insurrection against our Democracy.
Is that clear sycophant.
He was not convicted because the QOP has lost it moral guidance.Sycophants have to sycophant.Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
trump was Impeached the first time for his actions in regard to asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival.
trump was Impeached the second time for insurrection against our Democracy.
Is that clear sycophant.
And for the first impeachment , he was exonerated.
And I expect he'll be the First and Only President every exonerated twice.
Biden has no choice but to reverse all of trumps illegal unconstitutional and criminal executive orders.
There will be no locking up of refugees on the border. No Muslim bans. And no border wall. Multi billion dollar boondoggles paid for on a credit card.
Falsifying American history so it’s not to make the country look bad to your children, is over.
The USA is going to run according to democratic values, not authoritarian dictatorship.
Trumps policies have resulted in massive increases in mass shootings, murders, hate crimes, and right wing terrorism.
His economic policies crash the economy. 8 million people have fallen into poverty as a result. 5 million have lost their health insurance. 200,000 businesses have closed.
Why would anyone continue the policies that have led to this?
Is that what constitutes a debate in your mind?Biden has no choice but to reverse all of trumps illegal unconstitutional and criminal executive orders.
None of Trump's EO's were criminal or unconstitutional.
Why must you Nazis lie so much?
There will be no locking up of refugees on the border. No Muslim bans. And no border wall. Multi billion dollar boondoggles paid for on a credit card.
Fucking Biden and the little cocksucker built the cages.
Why must you Nazis lie so much?
Falsifying American history so it’s not to make the country look bad to your children, is over.
You mean like the 1619 project?
Why must you Nazis lie so much?
The USA is going to run according to democratic values, not authoritarian dictatorship.
Only if we stop you fucking Nazis.
Trumps policies have resulted in massive increases in mass shootings, murders, hate crimes, and right wing terrorism.
Fucking liar.
His economic policies crash the economy. 8 million people have fallen into poverty as a result. 5 million have lost their health insurance. 200,000 businesses have closed.
Why would anyone continue the policies that have led to this?
Fucking liar.
He was not convicted because the QOP has lost it moral guidance.Sycophants have to sycophant.Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
trump was Impeached the first time for his actions in regard to asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival.
trump was Impeached the second time for insurrection against our Democracy.
Is that clear sycophant.
And for the first impeachment , he was exonerated.
And I expect he'll be the First and Only President every exonerated twice.
The stain of Impeachments on trump will forever mark him as the worst president our country ever elected.
You whole post is just sycophant opinion.He was not convicted because the QOP has lost it moral guidance.Sycophants have to sycophant.Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
trump was Impeached the first time for his actions in regard to asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival.
trump was Impeached the second time for insurrection against our Democracy.
Is that clear sycophant.
And for the first impeachment , he was exonerated.
And I expect he'll be the First and Only President every exonerated twice.
The stain of Impeachments on trump will forever mark him as the worst president our country ever elected.
The cases against Trump weren't proven.
Certainly, the First Fake Impeachment wasn't proven. No evidence at all was presented, no witnesses either. Only arguments and opinions were offered. IOW, just a load of bullshit. Even during the House hearings, the "witnesses" didn't see anything, they just offered "opinions", but the only thing they knew is they were butthurt. Trump kept these WH advisors like the Vindmans out of the loop, ditto with Kent, Taylor, et al. They knew nothing of what was going on , because they were all suspected leakers.
You are obviously a moron who doesn't pay much attention to what's going on around him. He was impeached the first time for beating Hillary in 2016 (and for made up "high crimes and misdemeanors" which were NEITHER) and this time, because they're scared spitless that he'll be re-elected in 2024 and discover how they stole the 2000 election and have the lot of them arrested.Sycophants have to sycophant.Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
trump was Impeached the first time for his actions in regard to asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival.
trump was Impeached the second time for insurrection against our Democracy.
Is that clear sycophant.
It's awful, but true.He will be acquited on all that.
Such will cause the TDS morons to take the next step and try to prosecute him as a civilian for nonsense.
Chuck Schumer and the Dems are going to use the impeachment trial as a campaign issue against Republicans who voted against it.Will Biden sick his DOJ on him, or will Biden let Trump skate on sedition and insurrection?
In 2024 trump will be a bald, fat and living in a cell penniless.You are obviously a moron who doesn't pay much attention to what's going on around him. He was impeached the first time for beating Hillary in 2016 (and for made up "high crimes and misdemeanors" which were NEITHER) and this time, because they're scared spitless that he'll be re-elected in 2024 and discover how they stole the 2000 election and have the lot of them arrested.Sycophants have to sycophant.Trump has never been exonerated. His mates let him off in a political act. It will probably happen again.
His future now lies in the many court cases relating to his dishonesty. The rest of his life will be spent in legal wrangles to keep him out of jail.
He was impeached as a political act so why not be "let off" as a political act?
trump was Impeached the first time for his actions in regard to asking a foreign government to investigate a domestic political rival.
trump was Impeached the second time for insurrection against our Democracy.
Is that clear sycophant.
What countries would those be?Well, it says "the party convicted...", that leads me to think its a conditional statement. Conditional in that, if the impeached party is convicted, they are then also subject to criminal charged, but if not convicted, then the rest doesn't apply.I'm curious if that is possible, because of this:He will be acquited on all that.
Such will cause the TDS morons to take the next step and try to prosecute him as a civilian for nonsense.
but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
If trump is not convicted, then he would not be able to be sued again in civil court. Wouldn't that trigger the double jeopardy clause?I'm curious if that is possible, because of this:He will be acquited on all that.
Such will cause the TDS morons to take the next step and try to prosecute him as a civilian for nonsense.
but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
If trump is not convicted, then he would not be able to be sued again in civil court. Wouldn't that trigger the double jeopardy clause?
You are misconstruing the meaning of this paragraph completely. There can only be two punishments for impeachment regardless of whether criminal activity was involved. The first punishment is removal from office and the second is a prohibition against seeking election for any public office.These are the only punishments the Senate can impose.
The clause you quoted is, in essence, a “notwithstanding” clause. Which means that regardless of whether he has been convicted and removed from office and barred from all from running for office in future, he can still be arrested on criminal charges tried convicted and jailed for any crimes for which he was impeached.
An impeachment is not a criminal trial and therefore the “double jeopardy rule” doesn’t apply.
As far as the double jealousy clause, I don't believe there is a requirement that it has to be a criminal trial. The 5th ammendment doesn't make that distinction. It just says no personal shall be subject twice to the same offense.
It just doesn't make sense to allow both, because it could very easily be a prosecution of personal vendetta. If the impeached is not found guilty in the senate trial, we'll then we can just keep on suing him until we get the outcome we desire. I don't think the justice system was intended to be used that way, and likely why they put that in the 5th ammendment.
Also, I don't think a criminal trial is possible for trump as it would be impossible to select a jury that isn't biased, since EVERYONE knows about this case.
In Trump's first impeachment, the Republican Senator's said that they believed Trump guilty, but they thought it wrong to take that decision away from the American voters and that they should be allowed to decide his fate. In reality, they didn't want to be primaried and they were scared of Trump. And he could be charged criminally once he's out of office.
No one is scared of Trump, they are scared of Trump voters.
If a Republican decides to forfeit the 93% of all GOP votes, its just too big of a mountain to overcome. Regardless of how much liberals like you SAY you will respect guys like Flake and Romney, you'll stab them in the back during the general election and you know that's true.
Remember John McCain. Spent a quarter century kissing liberal butt. Finally got the nomination. The libs IMMEDIATELY threw him under the bus for Hussein.
And who controls "Trump voters"?
There is a vast difference between "respecting" someone and being willing to vote for them. Republican policies have been a massive failure for the American people. All of the really successful nations of the world, are countries which put their people first, and the USA has never been one of those countries.
No. We nominated people who don't tear the country apart when they don't get their way.It served the Democrats pretty well, no?
He was never going to be convicted, since the GQP senators know it would be political suicide, if not LITERAL suicide.It's quite simple Trump will be exonerated, even though every Republican senator knows he's guilty but afraid he'll put someone up against him or her in a Primary if their running in 2022 or 2024. The jokes going to be on them by 2024 Trump will be irrelevant and it wouldn't surprise me out of his stupidity comes a reconstituted new conservative party. Trump has put a nail in the coffin of his Republican party
They were not allowed to present the evidence.And then they ignored the trial and the evidence. Get rid of them. Bring the new party in.Of course he will be acquitted. Over 40% of the senate voted that they didnt even have the authority to try a private citizen.
Oh, the "evidence.."
View attachment 455930
Yeah, that's damned convincing, sploogy..
What countries would those be?Well, it says "the party convicted...", that leads me to think its a conditional statement. Conditional in that, if the impeached party is convicted, they are then also subject to criminal charged, but if not convicted, then the rest doesn't apply.I'm curious if that is possible, because of this:He will be acquited on all that.
Such will cause the TDS morons to take the next step and try to prosecute him as a civilian for nonsense.
but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
If trump is not convicted, then he would not be able to be sued again in civil court. Wouldn't that trigger the double jeopardy clause?I'm curious if that is possible, because of this:He will be acquited on all that.
Such will cause the TDS morons to take the next step and try to prosecute him as a civilian for nonsense.
but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
If trump is not convicted, then he would not be able to be sued again in civil court. Wouldn't that trigger the double jeopardy clause?
You are misconstruing the meaning of this paragraph completely. There can only be two punishments for impeachment regardless of whether criminal activity was involved. The first punishment is removal from office and the second is a prohibition against seeking election for any public office.These are the only punishments the Senate can impose.
The clause you quoted is, in essence, a “notwithstanding” clause. Which means that regardless of whether he has been convicted and removed from office and barred from all from running for office in future, he can still be arrested on criminal charges tried convicted and jailed for any crimes for which he was impeached.
An impeachment is not a criminal trial and therefore the “double jeopardy rule” doesn’t apply.
As far as the double jealousy clause, I don't believe there is a requirement that it has to be a criminal trial. The 5th ammendment doesn't make that distinction. It just says no personal shall be subject twice to the same offense.
It just doesn't make sense to allow both, because it could very easily be a prosecution of personal vendetta. If the impeached is not found guilty in the senate trial, we'll then we can just keep on suing him until we get the outcome we desire. I don't think the justice system was intended to be used that way, and likely why they put that in the 5th ammendment.
Also, I don't think a criminal trial is possible for trump as it would be impossible to select a jury that isn't biased, since EVERYONE knows about this case.
In Trump's first impeachment, the Republican Senator's said that they believed Trump guilty, but they thought it wrong to take that decision away from the American voters and that they should be allowed to decide his fate. In reality, they didn't want to be primaried and they were scared of Trump. And he could be charged criminally once he's out of office.
No one is scared of Trump, they are scared of Trump voters.
If a Republican decides to forfeit the 93% of all GOP votes, its just too big of a mountain to overcome. Regardless of how much liberals like you SAY you will respect guys like Flake and Romney, you'll stab them in the back during the general election and you know that's true.
Remember John McCain. Spent a quarter century kissing liberal butt. Finally got the nomination. The libs IMMEDIATELY threw him under the bus for Hussein.
And who controls "Trump voters"?
There is a vast difference between "respecting" someone and being willing to vote for them. Republican policies have been a massive failure for the American people. All of the really successful nations of the world, are countries which put their people first, and the USA has never been one of those countries.