When arguing against SNAP for single mothers, why do repubs ignore the children themselves?

[Roadrunner]

of all the social welfare programs------I consider SNAP to be
the most justifiable------we should all be happy that our country
provides food for ALL

Define "food"...
Because what's permitted under SNAP and other food( notice the term "nutrition" is absent) stipends, the crap the recipients are allowed to buy is a disgrace.

Deflection.

Not everyone can cook well. How do you force someone to learn how to be a frugal cook? If beef-a-roni or tuna helper or spaghetti-O's or even potato chips and a snickers is all the child eats, then the child isn't starving. That is the state's interest. Not what or how the kid is eating, but is the kid eating.

Eating that shit at home, in addition to the two free meals a day at school(assuming they go regularly) is what has lead to the obesity epidemic that is much more damaging than a little hunger ever was.

 

[Conservative65]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"They" who, sOn?
This shit with you is getting old.

Any links or quotes where someone said this shit?

What someone needs to explain to Billy000 is that if the woman's choice to have kids is hers, then the responsibility of feeding them is also hers and the person that she spread her legs for that helped create them.

Why is it that RWs never know that it takes TWO to make a baby?

Men are the cause of pregnancy and they should be forced to support the children they make.

LBJ relieved them of that duty.

If the government rounded them up and put them to work to pay for their kids, you'd be the first to cry "SLAVERY!".

Isn't it interesting that people like Luddly say that it takes two to make a baby, claim men are the cause of pregnancy, then fail to go after the actual sperm donors that say are the cause?

 

[Roadrunner]

of all the social welfare programs------I consider SNAP to be
the most justifiable------we should all be happy that our country
provides food for ALL

Define "food"...
Because what's permitted under SNAP and other food( notice the term "nutrition" is absent) stipends, the crap the recipients are allowed to buy is a disgrace.

Oh let me guess the famous "lobsters argument" right? They can buy lobsters? That's what you don't like? Christ dude, try to think realistically will you? The average person on SNAP gets about $133 per month and makes no more than $744 per MONTH. If they did buy lobsters, they would only be screwing themselves by going hungry.

Who said anything about lobster?
Look, you're playing stupid to further a political point....
You know darned well what is basic nutritious foods which are far less expensive than convenience and junk food.
But to your side it is not politically correct to demand these people's food choices are limited to foods that can be easily made into nutritious meals.

Are you fucking kidding me? Nutritious food is much cheaper? What planet do you live on? Nothing about that is true.

Really? Have ever thought about opening a cook book?
I can take a 7 lb broiler chicken and make 5 meals to feed four people for three days.
Canned veggies are inexpensive. As are fresh fruits. A bunch of bananas can be had for under $2....
Don't hand me this nonsense. Because it is a bunch of lousy excuses.
BTW, clipping coupons is a rather lucrative activity. Often we save in excess of $40 per week off of our normal $110 per week grocery bill. With a little more effort we could boost that even higher.
We shop where ever the deals are. Grocery stores always have deals and coupons....Last Saturday we bought 6 cans of Campbell's soup and got three of them free. Coupon....
So your alarmist snarky comments are dismissed as horseshit.

An onion, a pound of beans, two eggs, some cornmeal, and a handful of mustard greens that can be grown virtually anywhere makes enough food for 6.

 

[jknowgood]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

Obama has been in office fo six years, and he has made things worse.

 

[Conservative65]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"They" who, sOn?
This shit with you is getting old.

Any links or quotes where someone said this shit?

What someone needs to explain to Billy000 is that if the woman's choice to have kids is hers, then the responsibility of feeding them is also hers and the person that she spread her legs for that helped create them.

So if a parent can't or won't care for his or her children, just, tough luck for those kids? They should've picked better parents?

"Sorry kids, but look at the bright side: you won't be part of the obesity epidemic!"

The old "all or nothing" argument.
Thanks for not disappointing

The problem with what you say is that when those of us forced to support someone else's kids tell them to quit having ones they can't afford, we're told to butt out. Make a deal with you. I won't say a thing about what a woman does with her body as long as she doesn't ask me to help fund a choice she makes with related to it when she can't afford it. That's how personal responsibility works. You make the choice, you pay the price.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Either that or we are tired of Daddy having 17 kids to 17 different women, that he never intends to support while using welfare money for liquor and titty bars. Kids having babies that they have no intention of ever working to support. Tired of watching the parents sell snap for crack, while their kids eat a bag of noodles because it is the only thing in the house except for the kids.

Want assistance? Take a drug test and then show up for community service.

Shouldn't the parents care as much about their own children as the rest of us are forced to?

Lol it's amazing to me the way you people just buy into cliches and stereotypes so easily. You people jus believe what you want to believe. Um who cares what this very atypical guy did with 17 women. This is about the kids obviously.

You need to educate yourself on basic facts. The actual occurrence of drug use by SNAP recipients is extremely low. Statistics prove that. Stop believing shit just because it sounds like it makes sense. I'm sure it makes demonizing these people easier but you sounds like jackass.

"The actual occurrence of drug use by SNAP recipients is extremely low"..And you know this how...?
Look, those that use the drug angle are barking at the moon...
My objection is not the programs themselves. My objection is they are not only over run with waste fraud and abuse, that also the emphasis of the programs should be on ensuring children are being fed nutritious meals. Instead, SNAP ,etc can be used to buy junk food. That's wrong

Lol try educating yourself on factual information will you? Food stamps fraud is actually very statistically low. Drug use is also very uncommon. Here are the myths. I suggest reading:

Six Myths About Food Stamps BillMoyers.com

Bill Moyers? Yes, fair and balanced, he is.
The fraud is in the lack of enforcement of the rules which qualifies those to be recipients. The waste is in the excessive numbers of employees and bureaucrats who get paid by us taxpayers to keep and grow the things.

Nirvana fallacy - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So because the system itself to ensure that needy children, disabled people, vets, and those who suffered some sort of misfortune can eat, have shelter, and have assistance surviving and even getting back on their way to being a productive member of society is unwieldy or somehow inefficiently allocating its division of labor is reason enough to scrap the whole thing and give up?

 

[Roadrunner]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"The children" long ago replaced patriotism as the last refuge of scoundrels.

So only a scoundrel would support Medicaid, or public education?

Oh STFU with such silly shit.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Either that or we are tired of Daddy having 17 kids to 17 different women, that he never intends to support while using welfare money for liquor and titty bars. Kids having babies that they have no intention of ever working to support. Tired of watching the parents sell snap for crack, while their kids eat a bag of noodles because it is the only thing in the house except for the kids.

Want assistance? Take a drug test and then show up for community service.

Shouldn't the parents care as much about their own children as the rest of us are forced to?

Lol it's amazing to me the way you people just buy into cliches and stereotypes so easily. You people jus believe what you want to believe. Um who cares what this very atypical guy did with 17 women. This is about the kids obviously.

You need to educate yourself on basic facts. The actual occurrence of drug use by SNAP recipients is extremely low. Statistics prove that. Stop believing shit just because it sounds like it makes sense. I'm sure it makes demonizing these people easier but you sounds like jackass.

For you this has nothing to do with children....To you, the children are mere pawns in a political game.

Deflection and appeal to motive.

Appeal to motive - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The state has a compelling interest in the welfare of children.

If you can't support your claims with evidence, one must assume there isn't any evidence.

 

[Roadrunner]

Um well even if I did write checks, it really wouldn't fix the broad problem now would it?

What problem?

That 15% of our population lives in poverty. That the vast majority of those on food stamps would starve without it.

Who told you that? Did that come from some blog or government website turned out by those with a vested interest in seeing these programs grow without limits?

Here are the actual facts. The average household (not simply one person) on food stamps has a gross income of $744 per MONTH. The average household gets about $133 a month in assistance.

If there are children in that household that go to school, they are also getting free lunch and breakfast.

And, most likely getting fat on the doubling down.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

of all the social welfare programs------I consider SNAP to be
the most justifiable------we should all be happy that our country
provides food for ALL

Define "food"...
Because what's permitted under SNAP and other food( notice the term "nutrition" is absent) stipends, the crap the recipients are allowed to buy is a disgrace.

Oh let me guess the famous "lobsters argument" right? They can buy lobsters? That's what you don't like? Christ dude, try to think realistically will you? The average person on SNAP gets about $133 per month and makes no more than $744 per MONTH. If they did buy lobsters, they would only be screwing themselves by going hungry.

Who said anything about lobster?
Look, you're playing stupid to further a political point....
You know darned well what is basic nutritious foods which are far less expensive than convenience and junk food.
But to your side it is not politically correct to demand these people's food choices are limited to foods that can be easily made into nutritious meals.

Personal choice. If someone wants to eat crap and feed their family that. What's the difference? They're screwing themselves. We as a nation tried to help them and they made a bad choice.

Yeah Great...Then we get stupid shit such as Obamacare. Why? Because our government has made it law that we must pay for the bad choices made by people on public assistance.

Deflection.

This isn't about Obamacare.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Lol it's amazing to me the way you people just buy into cliches and stereotypes so easily. You people jus believe what you want to believe. Um who cares what this very atypical guy did with 17 women. This is about the kids obviously.

You need to educate yourself on basic facts. The actual occurrence of drug use by SNAP recipients is extremely low. Statistics prove that. Stop believing shit just because it sounds like it makes sense. I'm sure it makes demonizing these people easier but you sounds like jackass.

"The actual occurrence of drug use by SNAP recipients is extremely low"..And you know this how...?
Look, those that use the drug angle are barking at the moon...
My objection is not the programs themselves. My objection is they are not only over run with waste fraud and abuse, that also the emphasis of the programs should be on ensuring children are being fed nutritious meals. Instead, SNAP ,etc can be used to buy junk food. That's wrong

Lol try educating yourself on factual information will you? Food stamps fraud is actually very statistically low. Drug use is also very uncommon. Here are the myths. I suggest reading:

Six Myths About Food Stamps BillMoyers.com

Bill Moyers? Yes, fair and balanced, he is.
The fraud is in the lack of enforcement of the rules which qualifies those to be recipients. The waste is in the excessive numbers of employees and bureaucrats who get paid by us taxpayers to keep and grow the things.

Bill moyers used government data as their sources.

Yes. Data put out by self serving bureaucrats.

Do you have better sourced data? Or are you simply speculating?

 

[BluesLegend]

SNAP out of it libs your old talking point lies from 1970 don't fool voters anymore. You people rolled out virtually all the GOP war on (fill in the blank) lies last November and you got your asses bitch slapped in an historic loss. If you want to win an election here's an idea, stop lying and being snotty elitist puke liberals.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"The children" long ago replaced patriotism as the last refuge of scoundrels.

So only a scoundrel would support Medicaid, or public education?

Oh STFU with such silly shit.

So you do support two of the biggest socialist programs in America? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Fact is, Democrats intentionally set up the conditions that caused a family or Single-mother to have to apply for SNAP in the first place.

Example: California, New York, New Jersey, all are states where the cost of living is extremely high but wages are suppressed because of a massive influx of illegals. It's no small wonder when Democrats are bringing in millions of new unskilled labor while the people that live in the state can't find a decent paying job. Add to that the fact that taxes and the cost of living in those states are jacked up extremely high. It's no small wonder that if someone who lives in California who makes $60,000 a year qualifies for food stamps whereas if they lived in a fly-over state they could make ends meet without having to apply for food stamps.

Deflection.

What does this have to do with the OP?

 

[zeke]

I won't say a thing about what a woman does with her body as long as she doesn't ask me to help fund a choice she makes with related to it when she can't afford it. That's how personal responsibility works.

How old are you really? 18?

I rented a house to a young mom and dad of two children. Two young boys. The dad HAD a good job at the time I rented to them.
Dad got fired from his good job. Dad was laying around on his ass and he and the girlfriend started fighting. He slapped her around. She called the cops. Went to court. He got thrown out of the house via restraining order.

Now this woman is left with two kids, no car, rent to pay and the desire to continue to rent my house. She found a nursing assistant job for 12 bucks an hour. I reduced the rent.

I took gifts and food at Christmas. You know why? It wasn't those two boys fault their dad is an asshole. And they still needed to eat. And have a little Christmas.

I made sure this woman knew where to apply for SNAP and HEAP. You don't like it? Fuck off.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

"When arguing against SNAP for single mothers, why do repubs ignore the children themselves?"

Many on the right also ignore the facts and laws governing the SNAP program.

All of you bleeding hearts on the left ignore the fact that if I didn't produce the child, it's not my responsibility to feed the results of a choice I was told wasn't my business when it was being made.

It isn't your responsibility, it is society's. The state has a compelling interest in the welfare of children. Don't like it, move to Africa.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"They" who, sOn?
This shit with you is getting old.

Any links or quotes where someone said this shit?

What someone needs to explain to Billy000 is that if the woman's choice to have kids is hers, then the responsibility of feeding them is also hers and the person that she spread her legs for that helped create them.

So if a parent can't or won't care for his or her children, just, tough luck for those kids? They should've picked better parents?

"Sorry kids, but look at the bright side: you won't be part of the obesity epidemic!"

The old "all or nothing" argument.
Thanks for not disappointing

Did you mean to respond to my post, cause that argument isn't in there.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

of all the social welfare programs------I consider SNAP to be
the most justifiable------we should all be happy that our country
provides food for ALL

Define "food"...
Because what's permitted under SNAP and other food( notice the term "nutrition" is absent) stipends, the crap the recipients are allowed to buy is a disgrace.

Oh let me guess the famous "lobsters argument" right? They can buy lobsters? That's what you don't like? Christ dude, try to think realistically will you? The average person on SNAP gets about $133 per month and makes no more than $744 per MONTH. If they did buy lobsters, they would only be screwing themselves by going hungry.

Who said anything about lobster?
Look, you're playing stupid to further a political point....
You know darned well what is basic nutritious foods which are far less expensive than convenience and junk food.
But to your side it is not politically correct to demand these people's food choices are limited to foods that can be easily made into nutritious meals.

Are you fucking kidding me? Nutritious food is much cheaper? What planet do you live on? Nothing about that is true.

You just don't know jack shit about how to cook.

Therein lies the problem, MOST people do not know how to cook nutritious meals.

SNAP should be phased out in favour of a program of commodities distribution and home gardening instructions and supplies.

And if that single parent works and doesn't have time to garden? Or lives in a condo or apartment complex? Or has no yard? Or just can't garden (like me - I have a black thumb)? What then?

 

[Coloradomtnman]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

Obama has been in office fo six years, and he has made things worse.

Deflection.

And if that were the case, shouldn't you support the children who have suffered under his leadership?

 

[Roadrunner]

Define "food"...
Because what's permitted under SNAP and other food( notice the term "nutrition" is absent) stipends, the crap the recipients are allowed to buy is a disgrace.

Oh let me guess the famous "lobsters argument" right? They can buy lobsters? That's what you don't like? Christ dude, try to think realistically will you? The average person on SNAP gets about $133 per month and makes no more than $744 per MONTH. If they did buy lobsters, they would only be screwing themselves by going hungry.

Who said anything about lobster?
Look, you're playing stupid to further a political point....
You know darned well what is basic nutritious foods which are far less expensive than convenience and junk food.
But to your side it is not politically correct to demand these people's food choices are limited to foods that can be easily made into nutritious meals.

Are you fucking kidding me? Nutritious food is much cheaper? What planet do you live on? Nothing about that is true.

You just don't know jack shit about how to cook.

Therein lies the problem, MOST people do not know how to cook nutritious meals.

SNAP should be phased out in favour of a program of commodities distribution and home gardening instructions and supplies.

And if that single parent works and doesn't have time to garden? Or lives in a condo or apartment complex? Or has no yard? Or just can't garden (like me - I have a black thumb)? What then?

If, if, if.
Most people have some spare time, most people can find a small plot or use planters.

I am sure you can go on and on and on with excuses for people who have children they cannot support.