When arguing against SNAP for single mothers, why do repubs ignore the children themselves?

[jon_berzerk]

When arguing against SNAP for single mothers, why do repubs ignore the children themselves?

where did you come up with that silly notion

 

[Billy000]

Um well even if I did write checks, it really wouldn't fix the broad problem now would it?

What problem?

That 15% of our population lives in poverty. That the vast majority of those on food stamps would starve without it.

Who told you that? Did that come from some blog or government website turned out by those with a vested interest in seeing these programs grow without limits?

Here are the actual facts. The average household (not simply one person) on food stamps has a gross income of $744 per MONTH. The average household gets about $133 a month in assistance.

Link?.....
Oh, does that amount count the total amount of public assistance plus any legitimate income?

Um the $744 per month is the legitimate income.

SNAP Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Feeding America

 

[Coloradomtnman]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"The children" long ago replaced patriotism as the last refuge of scoundrels.

Deflection and logical fallacy: appeal to motive.

Appeal to motive - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Are you going to address the OP's question?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Either that or we are tired of Daddy having 17 kids to 17 different women, that he never intends to support while using welfare money for liquor and titty bars. Kids having babies that they have no intention of ever working to support. Tired of watching the parents sell snap for crack, while their kids eat a bag of noodles because it is the only thing in the house except for the kids.

Want assistance? Take a drug test and then show up for community service.

Shouldn't the parents care as much about their own children as the rest of us are forced to?

Lol it's amazing to me the way you people just buy into cliches and stereotypes so easily. You people jus believe what you want to believe. Um who cares what this very atypical guy did with 17 women. This is about the kids obviously.

You need to educate yourself on basic facts. The actual occurrence of drug use by SNAP recipients is extremely low. Statistics prove that. Stop believing shit just because it sounds like it makes sense. I'm sure it makes demonizing these people easier but you sounds like jackass.

No clichés, no stereotypes. I fostered the children who had nothing to eat but a bag of noodles. The man I paid to teach members of my youth group to play the drums, boasted of 11 kids. None of which he gives a dime, because turns out all of his money went to crack. The youth group kids watched his arrest on the news. Two of the children I took in only saw their mother when she ran out of money and tricks at the crack house. Not one dime of her handouts went to her children. Not one Christmas present and no tree to put it under. Just crack. The local news sued to get records of welfare cards being swiped at liquors stores and titty bars. They showed the 2 foot high stack of paperwork with one account after another of misuse. I fed those kids. I bought them everything they needed, because their welfare crack head parents did nothing for them.
I speak from experience, where does your opinion come from? Gov. statistics? Stop believing that shit.

Want to help the children? Drug test their parents, jackass.

 

[irosie91]

of all the social welfare programs------I consider SNAP to be
the most justifiable------we should all be happy that our country
provides food for ALL

Define "food"...
Because what's permitted under SNAP and other food( notice the term "nutrition" is absent) stipends, the crap the recipients are allowed to buy is a disgrace.

Oh let me guess the famous "lobsters argument" right? They can buy lobsters? That's what you don't like? Christ dude, try to think realistically will you? The average person on SNAP gets about $133 per month and makes no more than $744 per MONTH. If they did buy lobsters, they would only be screwing themselves by going hungry.

Who said anything about lobster?
Look, you're playing stupid to further a political point....
You know darned well what is basic nutritious foods which are far less expensive than convenience and junk food.
But to your side it is not politically correct to demand these people's food choices are limited to foods that can be easily made into nutritious meals.

Personal choice. If someone wants to eat crap and feed their family that. What's the difference? They're screwing themselves. We as a nation tried to help them and they made a bad choice.

Yeah Great...Then we get stupid shit such as Obamacare. Why? Because our government has made it law that we must pay for the bad choices made by people on public assistance.

I understand your frustration-----but there are OTHER WAYS to reform people other than starving them and their children.
I do not like OBAMA CARE-----but I have reasons based on my own profession-------FOOD STAMPS? don't touch it.....
the people of the USA have an absolute right to EAT in our land of plenty. I support any measures that FEED THE PEOPLE (it is consistent with my profession----sorry----
we are making a big mistake in not encouraging MORE agriculture------the well being of the world depends on agriculture and it is more valuable an asset than OIL

 

[Annie]

Find me a quote from a remotely mainstream, elected Republican saying we should cut off SNAP to single mothers. As far as I can determine, the only thing Republicans have tried to do with such programs, at least for the last two decades, is merely to slow their growth.

This OP is just the kind of demagoguery and mud-slinging that makes civil, intelligent debate almost impossible.

WHY aren't libs screaming about the the $700 billion that Obama cut from Medicare to help pay for Obamacare? Can you imagine if a Republican president had proposed a health care plan that involved taking that much money from Medicare? And, no, this is not a "myth." At least the Washington Post has admitted that Obamacare does reduce Medicare by $700 bill, through what it calls "savings"--yeah, like huge cuts in how much Medicare reimburses hospitals and private health insurance companies. And guess who's gonna have to pay the difference?

Actually there is nothing to do with SNAP and single mothers, other than many SNAP beneficiaries are singe mothers, or rather households with one primary provider. WIC is the program for single mothers, very limited and specific in what they can purchase with benefits.

The OP is beyond over the top,

 

[The Rabbi]

Ah yes, the smell of failure in the air. Another Billy troll thread bites the dust.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"The children" long ago replaced patriotism as the last refuge of scoundrels.

So only a scoundrel would support Medicaid, or public education?

 

[Claudette]

By and large republicans don't give a fuck about anything not actively involved in earning a profit for some plutocrat.

By and large, bleeding heart Liberals don't mind telling the rest of us to butt out of a woman's choice of what she does with her body, having kids being one of those choice, then expecting the rest of us to support the results of that choice when the woman can't do it.

Yup. I agree.

I have no problem with single parents as long as they can support themselves and the kids.

Why should the taxpayers of America be forced to bankroll their lives for them when they irresponsibly have kids they can't afford.

Stop the free ride and see how long it takes them to get off their asses, get a job and take care of themselves. As long as that free ride is there they won't do squat except take the handout of all that "free" money and don't think for a minute that they give shit one where that money comes from because they don't. As long as that EBT card has somebody elses money in it every month they could care less where it came from and who worked their asses off to earn it.

I'm one taxpayer who's sick and tired of being forced to pay for their irresponsibility.

Get a fucking job.

 

[Conservative65]

By and large republicans don't give a fuck about anything not actively involved in earning a profit for some plutocrat.

By and large, bleeding heart Liberals don't mind telling the rest of us to butt out of a woman's choice of what she does with her body, having kids being one of those choice, then expecting the rest of us to support the results of that choice when the woman can't do it.

Yup. I agree.

I have no problem with single parents as long as they can support themselves and the kids.

Why should the taxpayers of America be forced to bankroll their lives for them when they irresponsibly have kids they can't afford.

Stop the free ride and see how long it takes them to get off their asses, get a job and take care of themselves. As long as that free ride is there they won't do squat except take the handout of all that "free" money and don't think for a minute that they give shit one where that money comes from because they don't. As long as that EBT card has somebody elses money in it every month they could care less where it came from and who worked their asses off to earn it.

I'm one taxpayer who's sick and tired of being forced to pay for their irresponsibility.

Get a fucking job.

I don't have a problem how many kids anyone has as long as they support the choice they made.

Where my problem comes in is when someone already has kids they can't support then chooses to have more.

 

[Conservative65]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"They" who, sOn?
This shit with you is getting old.

Any links or quotes where someone said this shit?

What someone needs to explain to Billy000 is that if the woman's choice to have kids is hers, then the responsibility of feeding them is also hers and the person that she spread her legs for that helped create them.

Why is it that RWs never know that it takes TWO to make a baby?

Men are the cause of pregnancy and they should be forced to support the children they make.

I fully understand that it takes two to produce a baby. Men aren't the only cause. They can't get anyone pregnant, outside of rape which is a different issue, without the woman allowing them to do with her what it takes. I'm to the point that I don't mention that sperm donor anymore. Those that support funding a single mother's kids where the baby daddy ran away, the mother doesn't know who he is, or he simply isn't doing the job don't seem to bring him up until comments like I made are stated. I wish those deadbeats would do their job and the bleeding hearts that ignore him go after him as much as they expect the rest of us to feed his kids. If the sperm donor did his job, the bleeding hearts wouldn't have anyone to force to fund something they didn't produce.

 

[mudwhistle]

By and large republicans don't give a fuck about anything not actively involved in earning a profit for some plutocrat.

Yeah, and Republicans hate puppies too.

 

[Conservative65]

By and large republicans don't give a fuck about anything not actively involved in earning a profit for some plutocrat.

By and large, bleeding heart Liberals don't mind telling the rest of us to butt out of a woman's choice of what she does with her body, having kids being one of those choice, then expecting the rest of us to support the results of that choice when the woman can't do it.

So what choice do the kids have?

That's immaterial. As long as these people are pumping out illegitimate litters of kids( most unwanted except for the government bounty they provide) the issue is not the kids themselves. It is the irresponsible and cruel adults that produce them.

Lol so these kids who could potentially go hungry and malnourished during a critical time of brain and body development are not the issue?

You and the rest of you bleeding hearts who think it's the taxpayer's job to do what you won't even hold the sperm donor that helped produce them do can voluntarily do it. I have my own children to feed.

 

[Conservative65]

"When arguing against SNAP for single mothers, why do repubs ignore the children themselves?"

Many on the right also ignore the facts and laws governing the SNAP program.

All of you bleeding hearts on the left ignore the fact that if I didn't produce the child, it's not my responsibility to feed the results of a choice I was told wasn't my business when it was being made.

 

[Conservative65]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

No one wants to take food out the mouths of kids, should they pretend there are no kids. Just like they pretend that those on welfare refuse to work because they are receiving welfare, ignoring the fact that half of welfare recipients have jobs.

Which means half the recipients of welfare don't have jobs and they keep producing kids they can't afford to feed.

 

[Conservative65]

I will turn this back on you....Why are YOU not writing checks?....Where is YOUR compassion?

Um well even if I did write checks, it really wouldn't fix the broad problem now would it?

What problem?

That 15% of our population lives in poverty. That the vast majority of those on food stamps would starve without it.

Who told you that? Did that come from some blog or government website turned out by those with a vested interest in seeing these programs grow without limits?

Here are the actual facts. The average household (not simply one person) on food stamps has a gross income of $744 per MONTH. The average household gets about $133 a month in assistance.

If there are children in that household that go to school, they are also getting free lunch and breakfast.

 

[Conservative65]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

I will turn this back on you....Why are YOU not writing checks?....Where is YOUR compassion?

Um well even if I did write checks, it really wouldn't fix the broad problem now would it?

If you can't do what you demand the rest of us be forced to do, STFU until you can.

 

[mudwhistle]

Fact is, Democrats intentionally set up the conditions that caused a family or Single-mother to have to apply for SNAP in the first place.

Example: California, New York, New Jersey, all are states where the cost of living is extremely high but wages are suppressed because of a massive influx of illegals. It's no small wonder when Democrats are bringing in millions of new unskilled labor while the people that live in the state can't find a decent paying job. Add to that the fact that taxes and the cost of living in those states are jacked up extremely high. It's no small wonder that if someone who lives in California who makes $60,000 a year qualifies for food stamps whereas if they lived in a fly-over state they could make ends meet without having to apply for food stamps.

 

[Conservative65]

By and large republicans don't give a fuck about anything not actively involved in earning a profit for some plutocrat.

Do you think those receiving handouts to feed the kids they should be feeding give a fuck that the money had to be taken from someone else that earned it before it could be handed to them as long as they get it?

See? Nothing but bitterness that these children might cost them something. They go balls to the wall to protect the unborn but would just as soon drop kick them into the garbage dump than spend a dime to feed them after their birth.

See? The typical bleeding heart mentality. My wife and I support two children for one primary reason. We produced them.

Your mention of the unborn, a jab at the pro choice people, is irrelevant. Since abortion is still legal, anyone having children got their choice. If they chose to have kids, they are responsible for them. You say the pro life people go balls to the wall to protect the unborn then don't want to spend a dime after they are born. The difference is the money used to protect the unborn comes from those protecting the unborn. The money you demand I be forced to pay for someone else's choice is still coming from me.

 

[Conservative65]

They say "well she shouldn't have had kids in the first place therefore she shouldn't get any ."

Of course as always republicans reason the way mentally retarded people do so you must remind them the kids themselves benefit from this welfare. It also doesn't help that low wage jobs largely outnumber higher wage jobs so this is a difficult situation for this family as you could imagine.

So repubs, shouldn't those kids born to a broke caregiver deserve food stamps assistance? After all, 83% of food stamp funding goes to households with at least one dependent living there.

"They" who, sOn?
This shit with you is getting old.

Any links or quotes where someone said this shit?

What someone needs to explain to Billy000 is that if the woman's choice to have kids is hers, then the responsibility of feeding them is also hers and the person that she spread her legs for that helped create them.

Why is it that RWs never know that it takes TWO to make a baby?

Men are the cause of pregnancy and they should be forced to support the children they make.

We should teach men from a early age that if they make a baby...They must show some responsibility for it. This running off and not giving a damn needs to end. This needs to become a cultural norm within our society.

We agree on this one.

As long as the bleeding hearts continue to hold those of us that weren't part of creating a child responsible, the two doing it don't have to.