When covid19 cases surge

[Crick]

As it turns out - he didnt

too busy humping the frau I suppose

Please show us where he has erred.

 

[Crick]

Or to feed it to the female vampire biden chooses for his vice presidential candidate

Threatened by empowered women we see.

Hardly the way Tulsi Gabbard gutted pothead Kimballa Harris on stage was glorious

One does not refute the other. If Mac7 believes Biden;s options are all female vampires, he has a problem with empowered women.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

LOL....

That was accomplished in NY. Not the flyover bible belt.

 

[Polishprince]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

LOL....

That was accomplished in NY. Not the flyover bible belt.

Flyover country has been a lot better at stopping the Wuhan Flu than New York. The key is that New Yorkers don't wash their hands after using the can.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

What is "too early"? Because it doesn't matter when we open up, there is going to be a surge in cases.

If we wait 10 years to open up, there is going to be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 year, there will be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 month, or one more week, there will be a surge in cases.

So basically your arguement is, we need to stay locked down until everyone commits suicide from non-stop isolation, to avoid deaths.

The fewer infected individuals in the population, the smaller will be the surge. And if we were, hypothetically, to wait till we had developed and distributed a working vaccine, we could have no surge at all. Just the development of an effective treatment before reopening would at least dramatically reduce the suffering, size and deaths of a surge.

We cant wait a year or two for that to happen

We cant wait a year or two for that to happen

We want a million deaths and we want them now!

Fucking gouhls.

that is certainly the dem/lib position on this, they want half the population killed and the economy destroyed-----------then they can let their god Soros rule supreme

that is certainly the dem/lib position on this, they want half the population killed and the economy destroyed-----------then they can let their god Soros rule supreme

The libs are trying to preserve life. It's your team that needs a million bodies to claim herd immunity, dope.

 

[Care4all]

What is "too early"? Because it doesn't matter when we open up, there is going to be a surge in cases.

If we wait 10 years to open up, there is going to be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 year, there will be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 month, or one more week, there will be a surge in cases.

So basically your arguement is, we need to stay locked down until everyone commits suicide from non-stop isolation, to avoid deaths.

The fewer infected individuals in the population, the smaller will be the surge. And if we were, hypothetically, to wait till we had developed and distributed a working vaccine, we could have no surge at all. Just the development of an effective treatment before reopening would at least dramatically reduce the suffering, size and deaths of a surge.

We cant wait a year or two for that to happen

We cant wait a year or two for that to happen

We want a million deaths and we want them now!

Fucking gouhls.

that is certainly the dem/lib position on this, they want half the population killed and the economy destroyed-----------then they can let their god Soros rule supreme

you want the people killed...you support ''death panels''... you are hypocrites and never did support, the right to life....

we want to save lives AND THE ECONOMY, and our measures of following the scientist's recommendations of how to do it, would work!

BUT NO, you want the people DEAD, they are only old folks anyway....who cares about the 60 million of them cries.....

so please spare us, from this Trumpian BULL CRAP of lies!

 

[Crick]

What is "too early"? Because it doesn't matter when we open up, there is going to be a surge in cases.

If we wait 10 years to open up, there is going to be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 year, there will be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 month, or one more week, there will be a surge in cases.

So basically your arguement is, we need to stay locked down until everyone commits suicide from non-stop isolation, to avoid deaths.

The fewer infected individuals in the population, the smaller will be the surge. And if we were, hypothetically, to wait till we had developed and distributed a working vaccine, we could have no surge at all. Just the development of an effective treatment before reopening would at least dramatically reduce the suffering, size and deaths of a surge.

But that isn't likely to be for years. Doing the tests, getting the FDA approval isn't done over night.

Locking down the economy, closing schools, preventing travel for an extended period of time, will lead to deaths from drug abuse, drinking, depression, cancers that weren't detected, etc. And depending how long it goes on, it could create a permanent depressed economy and poverty. All of that increases death rates as well. Someone dead from starvation or exposure, is just as dead as someone dead from Covid

You seem to have bought in to Trump's fantasy. The increase in mental health issues, high risk lifestyle choices and suicide rates will be a tiny fraction of deaths from COVID-19. Suicide rates have been increasing for the last two decades but last year, the US total was 47,010. Five thousand extra would be an enormous increase. Eliminating lockdown completely puts us back to the 2.2 million COVID-19 deaths projection. Here's some good advice. Don't use Trump as a source for ANY information of ANY sort. When the man is not flat out lying, he is speaking from complete and utter ignorance. His pronouncements are worse than useless.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

LOL....

That was accomplished in NY. Not the flyover bible belt.

Flyover country has been a lot better at stopping the Wuhan Flu than New York. The key is that New Yorkers don't wash their hands after using the can.

They've stopped nothing. You should check the numbers, rube.

As New COVID-19 Cases Decline in New York, the Rest of the Nation Is Going the Opposite Direction

New daily cases of coronavirus are falling in New York, but are rising in the rest of the U.S., even in states reopening their economies.

time.com

 

[Redfish]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

LOL....

That was accomplished in NY. Not the flyover bible belt.

wrong, there is not one state that does not have the facilities and equipment to handle any surge that may or may not happen. If you think there are, name them and prove it.

 

[Crick]

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

They're prepared? With what? Do we have a treatment? No. Do we have a vaccine? No.

Fucking idiot

 

[Crepitus]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

What makes you think that they "will" surge? Scientists told us 2 months ago, if we just lock down for a few weeks, we will "flatten the curve" and that will be that. Well, we did, were they wrong?

The idea was never to lockdown until a vaccine was found, or even to reduce the number of cases. Just to stretch them out a bit so that the health system didn't get over stressed.

We did a crappy, patchwork job of isolating ourselves, lots of non-essential crap.got deemed essential because they know the right people, some states never did it, many RWNJ morons ignored it, some true idiots even holding protests and church services. We also started pretty damn late.

Our leadership fucked up badly. A portion of our population did too.

In short, thanks to tRump and his loyal tRump-a-lumps, it didn't work like it was supposed to.

 

[Redfish]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

LOL....

That was accomplished in NY. Not the flyover bible belt.

Flyover country has been a lot better at stopping the Wuhan Flu than New York. The key is that New Yorkers don't wash their hands after using the can.

They've stopped nothing. You should check the numbers, rube.

over 25% of all US cases are in NY and NJ. once again you are wrong or lying. you tell us which.

 

[Crick]

that is certainly the dem/lib position on this, they want half the population killed and the economy destroyed-----------then they can let their god Soros rule supreme

So, you really have nothing to bring to this conversation. Right.

 

[Crepitus]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

I know I'm 11 pages behind and this is probably already said but I'll jump in here anyway.

The lock down had absolutely nothing to do with reducing the count of Wuhan Virus cases. It was never possible that a lockdown could reduce the number of cases. No one is going to die because of opening up, whether early, late, or right on time.

The lockdown was us giving up our liberty so state-run hospitals (the state even running the private ones right now) would not get overloaded in spite of the mismanagement by the state. It was to keep the the hospitals from getting swamped. In the end, whether we ever locked down, locked everyone down with police ready to kill if someone peeks their head out the window, or anything in between, everyone in this country is going to get exposed to the virus. Either they are naturally immune, or they get a mild case because of their own physical condition or traits, or they're going to get very sick and go to the hospital, or they get very sick and die... That's the only options and there's virtually nothing anyone can do that will change the outcomes.

The only difference will come from the randomness, individually, whether a person might not have gotten an incompetent team one way and gets an incompetent team the other.... It switches who might die but not how many die.

So there's zero harm by opening and a lot of harm by not. The governors and politicians to sue are those who are holding Americans in house arrest without having been charged with any crime.

Cool, another conspiracy nut.

A buncha yer buddies are here.

Nope.. Not conspiracy; it's fact. It's about flattening the curve, not about reducing deaths. You're a liar.. You're making it up, lying intentionally, because facts don't hurt Trump.

Lol, I shouldn't laugh. Brainwashing is not funny.

 

[Polishprince]

What is "too early"? Because it doesn't matter when we open up, there is going to be a surge in cases.

If we wait 10 years to open up, there is going to be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 year, there will be a surge in cases. If we wait 1 month, or one more week, there will be a surge in cases.

So basically your arguement is, we need to stay locked down until everyone commits suicide from non-stop isolation, to avoid deaths.

The fewer infected individuals in the population, the smaller will be the surge. And if we were, hypothetically, to wait till we had developed and distributed a working vaccine, we could have no surge at all. Just the development of an effective treatment before reopening would at least dramatically reduce the suffering, size and deaths of a surge.

But that isn't likely to be for years. Doing the tests, getting the FDA approval isn't done over night.

Locking down the economy, closing schools, preventing travel for an extended period of time, will lead to deaths from drug abuse, drinking, depression, cancers that weren't detected, etc. And depending how long it goes on, it could create a permanent depressed economy and poverty. All of that increases death rates as well. Someone dead from starvation or exposure, is just as dead as someone dead from Covid

You seem to have bought in to Trump's fantasy. The increase in mental health issues, high risk lifestyle choices and suicide rates will be a tiny fraction of deaths from COVID-19. Suicide rates have been increasing for the last two decades but last year, the US total was 47,010. Five thousand extra would be an enormous increase. Eliminating lockdown completely puts us back to the 2.2 million COVID-19 deaths projection. Here's some good advice. Don't use Trump as a source for ANY information of ANY sort. When the man is not flat out lying, he is speaking from complete and utter ignorance. His pronouncements are worse than useless.

I'm basing my ideas on my observations on the effect of Abject Poverty on life expectancy.

Those areas of America that are poor- the American Ghetto, rural dirt farms, Indians living in teepees on the plains, Eskimos living in their igloos- all have a lot less life expectancy that other Americans. The incredible long term poverty that an indefinite, long term lockdown will cause is immeasuraable.

 

[Crepitus]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?

How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?

I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?

What the hell are you dragging your asthmatic sister all over town? You dragging your grandparents to the damn mall or what?

They have underlying health issues. I don’t. It’s not my job or concern to keep them healthy. That’s your job.

80 million Americans are in the high risk category, around 60 million seniors over 65 yrs old and another 20 million at minimum, that are younger, with a higher risk condition....

It's more beneficial to our economy, if those 80 million adults are contributing to our economy by their out and about spending, or by their labor, and isolate those that are sick, while they are infected or infectious. A lot fewer infectious than the high risk group.

I agree with you here. You're right on.

But here is the catch, the States have to have bountiful amounts of testing... enough to continually random test communities, and hotspots..... our problem with this virus daemon, is half or more infectious carriers, are asymptomatic, and simply do not know they are sick.... random testing of 2 to 10% of the population is needed..... to catch enough of the infectious to isolate, and tracing 10 minutes or longer, face to face contacts of theirs, to isolate them....

So please support all the people that want a lot of testing kits and materials to run the tests....

We are almost up to speed on the tests, testing, materials and processing....but not quite there yet.

Supporting this, does not mean you are against the President.... it simply means you want the economy running again, and closer to full capacity than it would be, without the testing, contact tracing testing, and isolation of them....

In the long run, Trump will be happy, with the results.

How are you going to random test 10% of the population? Send the cops out to round up people?

everyone is jumping at the bit for a test, to see if they have it or have had it..... likely everyone wants to take a test and 2% to 10% won't be enough, just be the tip of the ice berg on who would want one.....

I know that won't be a problem.....

The government will never allow everyone to be tested or will find a way to make fake test because the truth will expose this farce

Nope! Trump does not want t it, because it exposes his lies and downplaying the numbers....

Why do you think his team failed miserably on tests, and why he didn't use his defense production act, to acquire the testing g supplies and tests.....? You got it backwards!!!

Seems logical your failure is assuming that what we have been told is reasonably correct and it clearly is not. There is clearly more than one virus or virus strain loose here. I surmise that one or more strains are about as dangerous as the strain if coronavirus that causes the common cold and one or more strains or another virus completely is 100 percent fatal.

So without knowing the truth that we as the public are never told we can not judge

Lol, my bad.

It's a CONSPIRACY!!!

Actually if the Government told the public the truth that itself would be a conspiracy itself since it has never happened. But you know better because you believe everything you hear on TV

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Wanna hear a real conspiracy theory? Well here it is, the chinese shut down America with a bat virus

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Again you are arguing that everything that you hear on TV is real.

Can you prove that

Has it ever happened

LOL u mock yourself not me you NSA pig

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Tell us more about how you believe that everything on TV is real

You're the one who said that kiddo, not me.

Again tell us that everything that you are hearing on TV is real as I find it rather comical.

Yawn I still have not worn a mask once, going cycling thru several towns without a mask soon

You sit there in your mask and social distance from the family you do not have

You're kind of a one trick pony, aren't ya.

 

[Redfish]

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

They're prepared? With what? Do we have a treatment? No. Do we have a vaccine? No.

Fucking idiot

we may never have a treatment, we may have a vaccine because the NWO creeps want to inoculate all of us with it so they can make billiions. We have no treatment for the common cold or the annual flu. but somehow we don't shut down our economy and the medical community deals with those and everything else with no overloads. Because of the stoppage of routine procedures, medical personnel are being laid off and facilities are sitting idle. Who benefits from that??? Think about it.

as to fucking idiot, you fit that description quite well.

 

[Crepitus]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?

How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?

I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?

What the hell are you dragging your asthmatic sister all over town? You dragging your grandparents to the damn mall or what?

They have underlying health issues. I don’t. It’s not my job or concern to keep them healthy. That’s your job.

80 million Americans are in the high risk category, around 60 million seniors over 65 yrs old and another 20 million at minimum, that are younger, with a higher risk condition....

It's more beneficial to our economy, if those 80 million adults are contributing to our economy by their out and about spending, or by their labor, and isolate those that are sick, while they are infected or infectious. A lot fewer infectious than the high risk group.

I agree with you here. You're right on.

But here is the catch, the States have to have bountiful amounts of testing... enough to continually random test communities, and hotspots..... our problem with this virus daemon, is half or more infectious carriers, are asymptomatic, and simply do not know they are sick.... random testing of 2 to 10% of the population is needed..... to catch enough of the infectious to isolate, and tracing 10 minutes or longer, face to face contacts of theirs, to isolate them....

So please support all the people that want a lot of testing kits and materials to run the tests....

We are almost up to speed on the tests, testing, materials and processing....but not quite there yet.

Supporting this, does not mean you are against the President.... it simply means you want the economy running again, and closer to full capacity than it would be, without the testing, contact tracing testing, and isolation of them....

In the long run, Trump will be happy, with the results.

How are you going to random test 10% of the population? Send the cops out to round up people?

everyone is jumping at the bit for a test, to see if they have it or have had it..... likely everyone wants to take a test and 2% to 10% won't be enough, just be the tip of the ice berg on who would want one.....

I know that won't be a problem.....

The government will never allow everyone to be tested or will find a way to make fake test because the truth will expose this farce

Nope! Trump does not want t it, because it exposes his lies and downplaying the numbers....

Why do you think his team failed miserably on tests, and why he didn't use his defense production act, to acquire the testing g supplies and tests.....? You got it backwards!!!

Seems logical your failure is assuming that what we have been told is reasonably correct and it clearly is not. There is clearly more than one virus or virus strain loose here. I surmise that one or more strains are about as dangerous as the strain of coronavirus that causes the common cold and one or more strains or another virus completely is 100 percent fatal.

So without knowing the truth that we as the public are never told we can not judge

Heck no! I don't think the numbers are accurate, it's all best guessing, without enough testing.....

We need REAL numbers, real statistics to make our best decisions on this virus, and for better guessing on the next virus to show up.

We now know, the virus has likely been here since late Nov/Dec 2019..... So it has had 3 more months to spread..... likely not as infectious or deadly on the first round of infections... though certainly there are more covid deaths that have taken place e during those months that add to our death counts....

The mutation covid showing up on the east coast later seems to be killing more people...?

It would all be about the numbers if covid-19 was the only disease that we are facing. The doctors are describing different things so perhaps they are not seeing the second fatal disease at all because they are also believing the CDC. You are falling into the trap that everything or even most of what you are seeing and hearing is real.

It isn't, it never was what we are told, and I mean not once in history

Hey!

That's a whole new conspiracy theory!

You get a gold star!
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That is also what the FBI thought................

CIAO

Non Sequitur.

Try again.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

LOL....

That was accomplished in NY. Not the flyover bible belt.

Flyover country has been a lot better at stopping the Wuhan Flu than New York. The key is that New Yorkers don't wash their hands after using the can.

They've stopped nothing. You should check the numbers, rube.

over 25% of all US cases are in NY and NJ. once again you are wrong or lying. you tell us which.

LOL...
75% aren't, dope.

 

[Crepitus]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

Most states in these cases you are not allowed to sue the state.

Protesters? Get serious. The group that stormed the Michigan legislative building, do you seriously believe they changed the mind of the Michigan governor? Laughable.

It seems the states are opening up and are allowed to do so. So what "clear guidelines" are being ignored?

Sue Trump for not enforcing what? States opening up?

The last sentence makes no sense. Who is "their".

The trump guidelines say a state needs to have 14 days of decreased virus infections.

Most states don't have a decrease in people being infected with the virus.

No state has 14 consecutive days of decrease in the virus.

Remember when Trump said it was up to him? Remember how upset people like you got? But now you want governors to follow Trump's guidelines..

When Trump said that he knew it was up to the governors. Trump trolled them magnificently as now all the pain is on them

tRump claimed "absolute authority".

Then he backed up.

As usual.