When covid19 cases surge

[Crepitus]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?

How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?

I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?

What the hell are you dragging your asthmatic sister all over town? You dragging your grandparents to the damn mall or what?

They have underlying health issues. I don’t. It’s not my job or concern to keep them healthy. That’s your job.

80 million Americans are in the high risk category, around 60 million seniors over 65 yrs old and another 20 million at minimum, that are younger, with a higher risk condition....

It's more beneficial to our economy, if those 80 million adults are contributing to our economy by their out and about spending, or by their labor, and isolate those that are sick, while they are infected or infectious. A lot fewer infectious than the high risk group.

I agree with you here. You're right on.

But here is the catch, the States have to have bountiful amounts of testing... enough to continually random test communities, and hotspots..... our problem with this virus daemon, is half or more infectious carriers, are asymptomatic, and simply do not know they are sick.... random testing of 2 to 10% of the population is needed..... to catch enough of the infectious to isolate, and tracing 10 minutes or longer, face to face contacts of theirs, to isolate them....

So please support all the people that want a lot of testing kits and materials to run the tests....

We are almost up to speed on the tests, testing, materials and processing....but not quite there yet.

Supporting this, does not mean you are against the President.... it simply means you want the economy running again, and closer to full capacity than it would be, without the testing, contact tracing testing, and isolation of them....

In the long run, Trump will be happy, with the results.

How are you going to random test 10% of the population? Send the cops out to round up people?

everyone is jumping at the bit for a test, to see if they have it or have had it..... likely everyone wants to take a test and 2% to 10% won't be enough, just be the tip of the ice berg on who would want one.....

I know that won't be a problem.....

The government will never allow everyone to be tested or will find a way to make fake test because the truth will expose this farce

Nope! Trump does not want t it, because it exposes his lies and downplaying the numbers....

Why do you think his team failed miserably on tests, and why he didn't use his defense production act, to acquire the testing g supplies and tests.....? You got it backwards!!!

Seems logical your failure is assuming that what we have been told is reasonably correct and it clearly is not. There is clearly more than one virus or virus strain loose here. I surmise that one or more strains are about as dangerous as the strain of coronavirus that causes the common cold and one or more strains or another virus completely is 100 percent fatal.

So without knowing the truth that we as the public are never told we can not judge

Heck no! I don't think the numbers are accurate, it's all best guessing, without enough testing.....

We need REAL numbers, real statistics to make our best decisions on this virus, and for better guessing on the next virus to show up.

We now know, the virus has likely been here since late Nov/Dec 2019..... So it has had 3 more months to spread..... likely not as infectious or deadly on the first round of infections... though certainly there are more covid deaths that have taken place e during those months that add to our death counts....

The mutation covid showing up on the east coast later seems to be killing more people...?

It would all be about the numbers if covid-19 was the only disease that we are facing. The doctors are describing different things so perhaps they are not seeing the second fatal disease at all because they are also believing the CDC. You are falling into the trap that everything or even most of what you are seeing and hearing is real.

It isn't, it never was what we are told, and I mean not once in history

I don't live in that world of paranoia... I tried for a while... but it just wasn't for me!!!

Then you live in a world where you believe everything that you see on TV is real

And you have no escape until you wake up

Taken with the conspiracy theories you've been spouting you may have just crashed the irony market.

Hey how about this conspiracy theory.

The chinese took a virus out of a bat, fed it to monkeys and it escaped the lab and it infected the entire world and shut down the American economy, during a trade war..........................

Now that's a conspiracy theory kiddo

Could that happen

Yep, that's a conspiracy theory alright.

I'm surprised you realize that though.

 

[Crick]

wrong, there is not one state that does not have the facilities and equipment to handle any surge that may or may not happen. If you think there are, name them and prove it.

Name the states with the effective treatments. Name the states with effective vaccines.

 

[Care4all]

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

They're prepared? With what? Do we have a treatment? No. Do we have a vaccine? No.

Fucking idiot

we may never have a treatment, we may have a vaccine because the NWO creeps want to inoculate all of us with it so they can make billiions. We have no treatment for the common cold or the annual flu. but somehow we don't shut down our economy and the medical community deals with those and everything else with no overloads. Because of the stoppage of routine procedures, medical personnel are being laid off and facilities are sitting idle. Who benefits from that??? Think about it.

as to fucking idiot, you fit that description quite well.

nope! the Flu HAS Anti virals to treat it, and yearly vaccines to reduce the spread and deaths from the spread.

we will have some anti viral remedies for this virus, and may have a vaccine, or may not...true, that is still up in the air....

 

[NotYourBody]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

I don't wear one and havent worn one and will not wear one in the future.

I bet you don't wash your hands either, by God. Good for you!

 

[Crepitus]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?

How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?

I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?

What the hell are you dragging your asthmatic sister all over town? You dragging your grandparents to the damn mall or what?

They have underlying health issues. I don’t. It’s not my job or concern to keep them healthy. That’s your job.

80 million Americans are in the high risk category, around 60 million seniors over 65 yrs old and another 20 million at minimum, that are younger, with a higher risk condition....

It's more beneficial to our economy, if those 80 million adults are contributing to our economy by their out and about spending, or by their labor, and isolate those that are sick, while they are infected or infectious. A lot fewer infectious than the high risk group.

I agree with you here. You're right on.

But here is the catch, the States have to have bountiful amounts of testing... enough to continually random test communities, and hotspots..... our problem with this virus daemon, is half or more infectious carriers, are asymptomatic, and simply do not know they are sick.... random testing of 2 to 10% of the population is needed..... to catch enough of the infectious to isolate, and tracing 10 minutes or longer, face to face contacts of theirs, to isolate them....

So please support all the people that want a lot of testing kits and materials to run the tests....

We are almost up to speed on the tests, testing, materials and processing....but not quite there yet.

Supporting this, does not mean you are against the President.... it simply means you want the economy running again, and closer to full capacity than it would be, without the testing, contact tracing testing, and isolation of them....

In the long run, Trump will be happy, with the results.

How are you going to random test 10% of the population? Send the cops out to round up people?

everyone is jumping at the bit for a test, to see if they have it or have had it..... likely everyone wants to take a test and 2% to 10% won't be enough, just be the tip of the ice berg on who would want one.....

I know that won't be a problem.....

The government will never allow everyone to be tested or will find a way to make fake test because the truth will expose this farce

Nope! Trump does not want t it, because it exposes his lies and downplaying the numbers....

Why do you think his team failed miserably on tests, and why he didn't use his defense production act, to acquire the testing g supplies and tests.....? You got it backwards!!!

Seems logical your failure is assuming that what we have been told is reasonably correct and it clearly is not. There is clearly more than one virus or virus strain loose here. I surmise that one or more strains are about as dangerous as the strain if coronavirus that causes the common cold and one or more strains or another virus completely is 100 percent fatal.

So without knowing the truth that we as the public are never told we can not judge

Lol, my bad.

It's a CONSPIRACY!!!

Actually if the Government told the public the truth that itself would be a conspiracy itself since it has never happened. But you know better because you believe everything you hear on TV

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Wanna hear a real conspiracy theory? Well here it is, the chinese shut down America with a bat virus

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Again you are arguing that everything that you hear on TV is real.

Can you prove that

Has it ever happened

LOL u mock yourself not me you NSA pig

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Tell us more about how you believe that everything on TV is real

And you are a fan of what's it called? Chanel One? RT?

Ask the FBI about my channel

Ask the FBI about my channel

Is that the Thorazine channel?

Ask the FBI.........................................

If you think mentioning the FBI makes you seem more important, or mysterious, or something you're completely incorrect. We know that people who say things like that a liars who are trying to make themselves seem more important, or mysterious, or something like that.

It's an attention seeking tactic worthy of a ten year old.

Grow up.

 

[Redfish]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

LOL....

That was accomplished in NY. Not the flyover bible belt.

Flyover country has been a lot better at stopping the Wuhan Flu than New York. The key is that New Yorkers don't wash their hands after using the can.

They've stopped nothing. You should check the numbers, rube.

over 25% of all US cases are in NY and NJ. once again you are wrong or lying. you tell us which.

LOL...
75% aren't, dope.

duh, yeah. so fricken what? there are 50 states, and 2 of them have 25% of the cases. failed 3rd grade arithmetic, didn't you?

 

[Crick]

They've stopped nothing. You should check the numbers, rube.

over 25% of all US cases are in NY and NJ. once again you are wrong or lying. you tell us which.

What does the NY/NJ hotspot have to do with the fact that new cases of coronavirus in the US are still increasing?

 

[Crick]

Ask the FBI about my channel

How about either tell us what you claim the FBI would say about your channel or give us your real name.

 

[Redfish]

If and when they surge, we will be ready. the purpose of the shutdown was not to eliminate the virus, it was to give the medical community time to prepare, and that has been successfully accomplished.

this virus may play it self out, like SARS, H1N1 and the bird flu, or it may be with us for years. Destroying the economy will not change that one bit.

They're prepared? With what? Do we have a treatment? No. Do we have a vaccine? No.

Fucking idiot

we may never have a treatment, we may have a vaccine because the NWO creeps want to inoculate all of us with it so they can make billiions. We have no treatment for the common cold or the annual flu. but somehow we don't shut down our economy and the medical community deals with those and everything else with no overloads. Because of the stoppage of routine procedures, medical personnel are being laid off and facilities are sitting idle. Who benefits from that??? Think about it.

as to fucking idiot, you fit that description quite well.

nope! the Flu HAS Anti virals to treat it, and yearly vaccines to reduce the spread and deaths from the spread.

we will have some anti viral remedies for this virus, and may have a vaccine, or may not...true, that is still up in the air....

the flu meds work on the symptoms, they do not cure it or kill the virus. the flu vaccines seem to work,

do you remember a similar concern with the bird flu, SARS, West Nile, and even things like Y2K were going to kill us all. but somehow we survived, and we will survive this one too, if we still have a country to survive in.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

I don't wear one and havent worn one and will not wear one in the future.

I bet you don't wash your hands either, by God. Good for you!

I do wash my hands frequently. Wearing a mask over time suppresses the immune system. Our body breathes in over a 100 million viruses a day and fights off these pathogens. When everyone stays hunkered down in fear, their immune system drops.

 

[Redfish]

wrong, there is not one state that does not have the facilities and equipment to handle any surge that may or may not happen. If you think there are, name them and prove it.

Name the states with the effective treatments. Name the states with effective vaccines.

We were discussing readiness, Try to stay on topic. Treatments and vaccines are world wide issues, not state by state or even country by country.

 

[Redfish]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

I don't wear one and havent worn one and will not wear one in the future.

I bet you don't wash your hands either, by God. Good for you!

I do wash my hands frequently. Wearing a mask over time suppresses the immune system. Our body breathes in over a 100 million viruses a day and fights off these pathogens. When everyone stays hunkered down in fear, their immune system drops.

I think you just hit on the real goal of all of this crap. Population reduction

 

[Crick]

over 25% of all US cases are in NY and NJ. once again you are wrong or lying. you tell us which.

LOL...
75% aren't, dope.

duh, yeah. so fricken what? there are 50 states, and 2 of them have 25% of the cases. failed 3rd grade arithmetic, didn't you?

You're still not making any sense. What do you think is shown or proven by the NY/NJ hotspot?

Here is a graphic showing all 50 states for the last 3 weeks. How many states show decreasing case numbers? My apologies for the scale. You'd be looking for a state whose horizontal bar consistently lightened as you moved from left to right.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It was never possible that a lockdown could reduce the number of cases.

Except it did just that in South Korea and other places

We don’t know that. LOL
Lets wait 90 days and see and SK’s lockdown was nothing like our soft lockdown. Don’t be so obtuse, Herr Lesh.

What do you think brought down the infection rate on NYC asshole...

Natural herd immunity. 85% of the people don't have any or mild symptoms. Only asshole around here is you.

 

[Crick]

We were discussing the results of premature reopening. That hospitals have beds and ventilator will do nothing to lower the fatality rate. If millions are sickened by the reopening, hundreds of thousands will die UNLESS we develop an effective treatment and/or an effective vaccine.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

 

[Polishprince]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

What makes you think that they "will" surge? Scientists told us 2 months ago, if we just lock down for a few weeks, we will "flatten the curve" and that will be that. Well, we did, were they wrong?

The idea was never to lockdown until a vaccine was found, or even to reduce the number of cases. Just to stretch them out a bit so that the health system didn't get over stressed.

We did a crappy, patchwork job of isolating ourselves, lots of non-essential crap.got deemed essential because they know the right people, some states never did it, many RWNJ morons ignored it, some true idiots even holding protests and church services. We also started pretty damn late.

Our leadership fucked up badly. A portion of our population did too.

In short, thanks to tRump and his loyal tRump-a-lumps, it didn't work like it was supposed to.

The leadership of the country knew what the response of the people would be to the Draconian lockdowns, what should they have done instead? What will Sleepy Joe do, if he seizes power in January?

 

[Redfish]

over 25% of all US cases are in NY and NJ. once again you are wrong or lying. you tell us which.

LOL...
75% aren't, dope.

duh, yeah. so fricken what? there are 50 states, and 2 of them have 25% of the cases. failed 3rd grade arithmetic, didn't you?

You're still not making any sense. What do you think is shown or proven by the NY/NJ hotspot?

Here is a graphic showing all 50 states for the last 3 weeks. How many states show decreasing case numbers? My apologies for the scale. You'd be looking for a state whose horizontal bar consistently lightened as you moved from left to right.

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you said ny was prepared, that's what got us on this topic.

 

[Crick]

the flu meds work on the symptoms, they do not cure it or kill the virus. the flu vaccines seem to work,

do you remember a similar concern with the bird flu, SARS, West Nile, and even things like Y2K were going to kill us all. but somehow we survived, and we will survive this one too, if we still have a country to survive in.

COVID-19 has a higher transmissibility ratio and a higher fatality rate. Most will survive, but if you don't do anything about it, millions will die. Apparently, that's okay with you.

 

[Crick]

The leadership of the country knew what the response of the people would be to the Draconian lockdowns, what should they have done instead? What will Sleepy Joe do, if he seizes power in January?

There would be far less objections to lockdown measures if Trump had actually cared about ANYONE besides himself and his reelection and come out in actual support of such measures. Instead, he has undermined his own administration's efforts at virus control from Day 1. His blitheringly irresponsible behavior is to blame for tens of thousands of needless American deaths and hundreds of thousands sickened. The man should be thrown in the deepest darkest dungeon this nation possesses.