When Did You First Get Pissed Off About Where Our Country's Leaders Were Leading Us?

Reagan's amnesty.

Bush 2 going into Iraq.

Obama.

Watergate would have probably done it had I been a tad older and paying attention...

watergate was nothing but one party trying to spy on the other party, Nixon's problem was that he lied about it and the media called him on the lie.

Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi, healthcare, the IRS, the NSA---but the media will not call them on those lies because today's media is an arm of the dem party.
 
I agree, but lets remember that Viet Nam belonged to Kennedy and Johnson. LBJ was a terrible president-------viet nam, war on poverty, great society---all bullshit.

But it really started with FDR (before my time). thats when liberalism began its destruction of the USA


Sure red sure. After WWII we enjoyed the greatest period of prosperity for the middle class that has ever or will ever exist again. Damn liberals.

Rethugs destroyed the economy for the middle class red. Republicans. Not liberals.

Oh my the far left is strong with this one.

Dwight D. Eisenhower January 20, 1953 January 20, 1961 Republican

Then again what would one expect from a far left Obama drone.

Yeah, I'm glad he informed us that Ike was a liberal democrat--who knew? :lol:
 
Nowadays I am far more pissed with the extremes right and left trying to deceive the American people. I can figure out what an Obama or a Bush admin is up to without any problem. But the extremists have their own secret agendas.

What the hell is an "extremist"?

I'll tell you what an extremist is, an extremist is someone who is not bipartisan.

The term bipartisan, however, means that the American people are about to grab their ankles.

For the life of me, I don't understand how the Tea Party can be labeled extremist for wanting balanced budgets in contrast to a government prints trillions of dollars a day in deficit spending.
A teabag balanced budget is a con job, otherwise they would have been whining about it when Raygun was tripling the national debt, and when Shrub Daddy doubled it again in only four years, and when Shrub Jr. added more to the debt in eight years than all presidents before him added together. That's 20 years of deficit spending by their own party.
 
Reagan's amnesty.

Bush 2 going into Iraq.

Obama.

Watergate would have probably done it had I been a tad older and paying attention...

watergate was nothing but one party trying to spy on the other party, Nixon's problem was that he lied about it and the media called him on the lie.

Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi, healthcare, the IRS, the NSA---but the media will not call them on those lies because today's media is an arm of the dem party.

They were back then, even going back as far as the FDR years.
 
Reagan's amnesty.

Bush 2 going into Iraq.

Obama.

Watergate would have probably done it had I been a tad older and paying attention...

watergate was nothing but one party trying to spy on the other party, Nixon's problem was that he lied about it and the media called him on the lie.

Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi, healthcare, the IRS, the NSA---but the media will not call them on those lies because today's media is an arm of the dem party.

They were back then, even going back as far as the FDR years.

True, but they were not as blatant about it as they are today.
 
Reagan's amnesty.

Bush 2 going into Iraq.

Obama.

Watergate would have probably done it had I been a tad older and paying attention...

watergate was nothing but one party trying to spy on the other party, Nixon's problem was that he lied about it and the media called him on the lie.

Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi, healthcare, the IRS, the NSA---but the media will not call them on those lies because today's media is an arm of the dem party.

Yeah, I know all that, but to me Watergate marks a moment that signaled the decline of respect and trust the American people had for the President...
 
Nowadays I am far more pissed with the extremes right and left trying to deceive the American people. I can figure out what an Obama or a Bush admin is up to without any problem. But the extremists have their own secret agendas.

What the hell is an "extremist"?

I'll tell you what an extremist is, an extremist is someone who is not bipartisan.

The term bipartisan, however, means that the American people are about to grab their ankles.

For the life of me, I don't understand how the Tea Party can be labeled extremist for wanting balanced budgets in contrast to a government prints trillions of dollars a day in deficit spending.
A teabag balanced budget is a con job, otherwise they would have been whining about it when Raygun was tripling the national debt, and when Shrub Daddy doubled it again in only four years, and when Shrub Jr. added more to the debt in eight years than all presidents before him added together. That's 20 years of deficit spending by their own party.

For the record:

The tea party opposes deficit spending no matter which party does it
The tea party did not exist when Reagan and Bush 41 were in power
Obama has added 7 trillion to the debt so far and will have added 10 trillion by the time he leave DC.
Obama will have added more to the debt than all previous presidents combined
There are more people in poverty and on food stamps today than when BO took office
Obama has created the longest period of high unemployment in our history.

Bottom line, there have been crappy presidents in the past, but the kenyan clusterfuk is the worst ever.
 
Reagan's amnesty.

Bush 2 going into Iraq.

Obama.

Watergate would have probably done it had I been a tad older and paying attention...

watergate was nothing but one party trying to spy on the other party, Nixon's problem was that he lied about it and the media called him on the lie.

Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi, healthcare, the IRS, the NSA---but the media will not call them on those lies because today's media is an arm of the dem party.

Yeah, I know all that, but to me Watergate marks a moment that signaled the decline of respect and trust the American people had for the President...

Ok, but if Nixon had just told the truth about it, we would not feel that way. Compared to whats going on today, watergate was nothing.
 
Reagan's amnesty.

Bush 2 going into Iraq.

Obama.

Watergate would have probably done it had I been a tad older and paying attention...

watergate was nothing but one party trying to spy on the other party, Nixon's problem was that he lied about it and the media called him on the lie.

Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi, healthcare, the IRS, the NSA---but the media will not call them on those lies because today's media is an arm of the dem party.

Yeah, I know all that, but to me Watergate marks a moment that signaled the decline of respect and trust the American people had for the President...

Vietnam did that before Watergate. However what Nixon did (which they have always done) pales in comparison to Obama.
 
What the hell is an "extremist"?

I'll tell you what an extremist is, an extremist is someone who is not bipartisan.

The term bipartisan, however, means that the American people are about to grab their ankles.

For the life of me, I don't understand how the Tea Party can be labeled extremist for wanting balanced budgets in contrast to a government prints trillions of dollars a day in deficit spending.
A teabag balanced budget is a con job, otherwise they would have been whining about it when Raygun was tripling the national debt, and when Shrub Daddy doubled it again in only four years, and when Shrub Jr. added more to the debt in eight years than all presidents before him added together. That's 20 years of deficit spending by their own party.

For the record:

The tea party opposes deficit spending no matter which party does it
The tea party did not exist when Reagan and Bush 41 were in power
Obama has added 7 trillion to the debt so far and will have added 10 trillion by the time he leave DC.
Obama will have added more to the debt than all previous presidents combined
There are more people in poverty and on food stamps today than when BO took office
Obama has created the longest period of high unemployment in our history.

Bottom line, there have been crappy presidents in the past, but the kenyan clusterfuk is the worst ever.


You will never, I repeat NEVER, convince a hack like hangover that there is anything bad or wrong about Obama. Best to focus your efforts elsewhere...
 
A teabag balanced budget is a con job, otherwise they would have been whining about it when Raygun was tripling the national debt, and when Shrub Daddy doubled it again in only four years, and when Shrub Jr. added more to the debt in eight years than all presidents before him added together. That's 20 years of deficit spending by their own party.

For the record:

The tea party opposes deficit spending no matter which party does it
The tea party did not exist when Reagan and Bush 41 were in power
Obama has added 7 trillion to the debt so far and will have added 10 trillion by the time he leave DC.
Obama will have added more to the debt than all previous presidents combined
There are more people in poverty and on food stamps today than when BO took office
Obama has created the longest period of high unemployment in our history.

Bottom line, there have been crappy presidents in the past, but the kenyan clusterfuk is the worst ever.


You will never, I repeat NEVER, convince a hack like hangover that there is anything bad or wrong about Obama. Best to focus your efforts elsewhere...

you're right, some of our libtard friends have their heads so far up obozo's ass that they can only see black. :lol:
 
I agree, but lets remember that Viet Nam belonged to Kennedy and Johnson. LBJ was a terrible president-------viet nam, war on poverty, great society---all bullshit.

But it really started with FDR (before my time). thats when liberalism began its destruction of the USA


Sure red sure. After WWII we enjoyed the greatest period of prosperity for the middle class that has ever or will ever exist again. Damn liberals.

Rethugs destroyed the economy for the middle class red. Republicans. Not liberals.

Oh my the far left is strong with this one.

Dwight D. Eisenhower January 20, 1953 January 20, 1961 Republican

Then again what would one expect from a far left Obama drone.

The United States of America was founded on Liberal principals...

I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that today's Liberals have changed; they no longer share the Liberal ideals of our founding fathers...WRONG...

And...I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that the Republican Party HASN'T changed..WRONG...AGAIN...

Today's GOP was hijacked by the far right AND the far left.

The neoconservatives came from the far LEFT...yet they feel right at home with the far right theocrats...

There's an old saying..."Robins and Blue Jays don't nest together"

HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...


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Excerpt from:
Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956


Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

"We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

Labor
"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838


Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater (R) Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement
 
Sure red sure. After WWII we enjoyed the greatest period of prosperity for the middle class that has ever or will ever exist again. Damn liberals.

Rethugs destroyed the economy for the middle class red. Republicans. Not liberals.

Oh my the far left is strong with this one.

Dwight D. Eisenhower January 20, 1953 January 20, 1961 Republican

Then again what would one expect from a far left Obama drone.

The United States of America was founded on Liberal principals...

I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that today's Liberals have changed; they no longer share the Liberal ideals of our founding fathers...WRONG...

And...I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that the Republican Party HASN'T changed..WRONG...AGAIN...

Today's GOP was hijacked by the far right AND the far left.

The neoconservatives came from the far LEFT...yet they feel right at home with the far right theocrats...

There's an old saying..."Robins and Blue Jays don't nest together"

HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838

So yes the far left pulls from a far left college. Go figure that.

So have Democrats always been for the government to control every aspect of a person life?
 
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Sure red sure. After WWII we enjoyed the greatest period of prosperity for the middle class that has ever or will ever exist again. Damn liberals.

Rethugs destroyed the economy for the middle class red. Republicans. Not liberals.

Oh my the far left is strong with this one.

Dwight D. Eisenhower January 20, 1953 January 20, 1961 Republican

Then again what would one expect from a far left Obama drone.

The United States of America was founded on Liberal principals...

I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that today's Liberals have changed; they no longer share the Liberal ideals of our founding fathers...WRONG...

And...I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that the Republican Party HASN'T changed..WRONG...AGAIN...

Today's GOP was hijacked by the far right AND the far left.

The neoconservatives came from the far LEFT...yet they feel right at home with the far right theocrats...

There's an old saying..."Robins and Blue Jays don't nest together"

HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...


92.jpg
92.gif




Excerpt from:
Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956


Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

"We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

Labor
"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838


Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater (R) Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement




Liberal, in today's vernacular does not mean what it meant in 1776. the definitions have somewhat reversed with conservatives of today being much closer to the ideas of the founders.
 
Back in the early 2000s, when the GOP controlled government in DC started making the foreign and domestic policy mistakes that we lead to them losing control of both the White House and Congress.

We're in better shape now. The Iraq War mistake was corrected by Obama (although its damage will still linger for generations) , and the Bush Recession that started in early 2007 has been somewhat alleviated, no thanks to the GOP trying to tank the economy in the stupid hope that voters would blame Obama. They didn't.
 
Iraq. I wasn't that politically aware before that disastrous debacle.
 
Oh my the far left is strong with this one.

Dwight D. Eisenhower January 20, 1953 January 20, 1961 Republican

Then again what would one expect from a far left Obama drone.

The United States of America was founded on Liberal principals...

I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that today's Liberals have changed; they no longer share the Liberal ideals of our founding fathers...WRONG...

And...I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that the Republican Party HASN'T changed..WRONG...AGAIN...

Today's GOP was hijacked by the far right AND the far left.

The neoconservatives came from the far LEFT...yet they feel right at home with the far right theocrats...

There's an old saying..."Robins and Blue Jays don't nest together"

HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...


92.jpg
92.gif




Excerpt from:
Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956


Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

"We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

Labor
"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838


Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater (R) Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement




Liberal, in today's vernacular does not mean what it meant in 1776. the definitions have somewhat reversed with conservatives of today being much closer to the ideas of the founders.

False...

Classical liberals assume a natural equality of humans; conservatives assume a natural hierarchy.
James M. Buchanan
 
for me, it was LBJ's shit-for-brains acceleration of the Vietnam war...

'n also his dumb-ass "War On Poverty"...

With the Nixon Administration and their campaign promise to end the fiasco in SE Asia. Instead they expanded the 'effort' and more of my contemporaries died as they argued about the shape of the table when negations to end the war commended in Paris

Next came Reagan and his trickle down economic theory which was nothing more than a get richer scheme for the richest Americans. Then the Contract on America, nothing more than a power effort by Gingrich the Demagogue followed by efforts of the Republican hypocrites to impeach Clinton.
 
watergate was nothing but one party trying to spy on the other party, Nixon's problem was that he lied about it and the media called him on the lie.

Obama and Clinton lied about Benghazi, healthcare, the IRS, the NSA---but the media will not call them on those lies because today's media is an arm of the dem party.

Yeah, I know all that, but to me Watergate marks a moment that signaled the decline of respect and trust the American people had for the President...

Vietnam did that before Watergate. However what Nixon did (which they have always done) pales in comparison to Obama.

Au contraire. We can keep Obama within bounds. Nixon was another matter.

That you don't like a democratic constitutional republic of which you are not in charge has only one answer: win elections.
 
for me, it was LBJ's shit-for-brains acceleration of the Vietnam war...

'n also his dumb-ass "War On Poverty"...

With the Nixon Administration and their campaign promise to end the fiasco in SE Asia. Instead they expanded the 'effort' and more of my contemporaries died as they argued about the shape of the table when negations to end the war commended in Paris

Next came Reagan and his trickle down economic theory which was nothing more than a get richer scheme for the richest Americans. Then the Contract on America, nothing more than a power effort by Gingrich the Demagogue followed by efforts of the Republican hypocrites to impeach Clinton.

And the far left propaganda continues to roll on...
 

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