When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[SeaMajor7]

It's fascinating how you romanticize the idea of small family-owned businesses transforming into industrial giants, but your narrative conveniently ignores the reality of how America was truly built. Let's not forget that the foundation of the American economy wasn't laid by entrepreneurs alone but through the exploitation of countless others, including enslaved Africans, indentured servants, and exploited immigrant laborers.

Yes Henry Ford was a visionary, but he didn't operate in a vacuum. Ford benefited immensely from government contracts during both World Wars, government-subsidized infrastructure like roads and railways, and a workforce educated and maintained by public institutions. The mass production techniques Ford is famous for weren't just his invention, they were made possible by the efforts of thousands of workers whose labor was exploited for his private gain. Mass production is a social endeavor, not a private one.

The US government provided Ford with the legal framework, currency, and infrastructure that made large-scale industrial operations feasible. So, to argue that America was built "not by government" but by individuals alone is a capitalist fairytale.

Your glorification of these business icons also ignores how many of them stifled competition and innovation to maintain their market-share dominance. Capitalism isn't about fair play; it's about the private accumulation of wealth and power, often at the expense of the public good. The monopolistic practices and exploitation of workers that characterized the rise of these industrial giants are precisely why we need democratic socialism as a corrective force and eventually a better solution to mass production than market capitalism.

As for your assertion that the pursuit of profit leads to innovation, that's hardly the case. The pursuit of profit often leads to corner-cutting, environmental degradation, the suppression of new technology to avoid disrupting lucrative, well-established markets, and the engineered obsolescence of products, making them wear out and break within a certain time frame to force the consumer to purchase more of the product. All of this is in the name of maintaining the "bottom line".

The same fossil fuel companies that profit from gas-guzzling cars have lobbied against the development of modern, efficient public transportation systems that would benefit society as a whole. They've also lobbied members of the US Congress to make nuclear energy incredibly expensive and hence difficult to produce, to maintain America's dependence on oil, gas, and coal.

We have lobbyists for the private prison industry lobbying politicians to make more things illegal and sentences longer, all for the purpose of increasing their profits.

When you say capitalism is about individuals "risking everything" to turn an idea into a profitable business, you ignore the reality that in today's capitalism, the risks are disproportionately borne by the workers and the public, while the rewards are concentrated in the hands of a few. Workers are the ones who really risk for their employers (i.e. exploiters):

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The truth is that capitalism has always relied on government support, whether through direct subsidies, favorable legislation, or military intervention to protect capitalist interests. Yet, when it comes to ensuring the well-being of the American public and its working class, capitalism fails miserably.

As technology advances, the contradictions of capitalism become even more apparent. Automation and AI threaten to eliminate almost all jobs, and without a social safety net or a plan to transition to a new economic model, we're heading toward a catastrophic crisis. Capitalism, which thrives on the exploitation of labor, becomes obsolete when that labor is no longer necessary. That's where democratic socialism steps in, to save the day. Democratic socialism is the future, and if Americans don't realize that yet, they will when advanced robotics and artificial intelligence, takes their jobs.

​

どうもありがと Mr. Roboto
どうもありがと Mr. Roboto
また会う日まで
どうもありがと Mr. Roboto
秘密を知りたい

 

[SeaMajor7]

Hopefully, you have social security, or you're going to be up the creek without a paddle.

Wandering in the chaos the battle has left
We climb up the mountain of human flesh
To a plateau of green grass, and green trees full of life
A young figure sits still by a pool
He's been stamped "Human Bacon" by some butchery tool
He is you
Social Security took care of this lad
We watch in reverence, as Narcissus is turned to a flower
A flower?

 

[TruthNotBS]

どうもありがと Mr. Roboto
どうもありがと Mr. Roboto
また会う日まで
どうもありがと Mr. Roboto
秘密を知りたい

That's the reality you're unwilling to recognize.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Wandering in the chaos the battle has left
We climb up the mountain of human flesh
To a plateau of green grass, and green trees full of life
A young figure sits still by a pool
He's been stamped "Human Bacon" by some butchery tool
He is you
Social Security took care of this lad
We watch in reverence, as Narcissus is turned to a flower
A flower?

You're going to be turned into a worthless consumer serf living off a government UBI if you don't stop sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich.

 

[SeaMajor7]

You're going to be turned into a worthless consumer serf living off a government UBI if you don't stop sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich.

Domo
Domo

 

[GLASNOST]

You need a better plan.

He hasn't got one. Someone tripped over the plug.

 

[SeaMajor7]

It's fascinating how you romanticize the idea of small family-owned businesses transforming into industrial giants, but your narrative conveniently ignores the reality of how America was truly built. Let's not forget that the foundation of the American economy wasn't laid by entrepreneurs alone but through the exploitation of countless others, including enslaved Africans, indentured servants, and exploited immigrant laborers.

Yes Henry Ford was a visionary, but he didn't operate in a vacuum. Ford benefited immensely from government contracts during both World Wars, government-subsidized infrastructure like roads and railways, and a workforce educated and maintained by public institutions. The mass production techniques Ford is famous for weren't just his invention, they were made possible by the efforts of thousands of workers whose labor was exploited for his private gain. Mass production is a social endeavor, not a private one.

The US government provided Ford with the legal framework, currency, and infrastructure that made large-scale industrial operations feasible. So, to argue that America was built "not by government" but by individuals alone is a capitalist fairytale.

Your glorification of these business icons also ignores how many of them stifled competition and innovation to maintain their market-share dominance. Capitalism isn't about fair play; it's about the private accumulation of wealth and power, often at the expense of the public good. The monopolistic practices and exploitation of workers that characterized the rise of these industrial giants are precisely why we need democratic socialism as a corrective force and eventually a better solution to mass production than market capitalism.

As for your assertion that the pursuit of profit leads to innovation, that's hardly the case. The pursuit of profit often leads to corner-cutting, environmental degradation, the suppression of new technology to avoid disrupting lucrative, well-established markets, and the engineered obsolescence of products, making them wear out and break within a certain time frame to force the consumer to purchase more of the product. All of this is in the name of maintaining the "bottom line".

The same fossil fuel companies that profit from gas-guzzling cars have lobbied against the development of modern, efficient public transportation systems that would benefit society as a whole. They've also lobbied members of the US Congress to make nuclear energy incredibly expensive and hence difficult to produce, to maintain America's dependence on oil, gas, and coal.

We have lobbyists for the private prison industry lobbying politicians to make more things illegal and sentences longer, all for the purpose of increasing their profits.

When you say capitalism is about individuals "risking everything" to turn an idea into a profitable business, you ignore the reality that in today's capitalism, the risks are disproportionately borne by the workers and the public, while the rewards are concentrated in the hands of a few. Workers are the ones who really take risks:

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The truth is that capitalism has always relied on government support, whether through direct subsidies, favorable legislation, or military intervention to protect capitalist interests. Yet, when it comes to ensuring the well-being of the American public and its working class, capitalism fails miserably.

As technology advances, the contradictions of capitalism become even more apparent. Automation and AI threaten to eliminate almost all jobs, and without a social safety net or a plan to transition to a new economic model, we're heading toward a catastrophic crisis. Capitalism, which thrives on the exploitation of labor, becomes obsolete when that labor is no longer necessary. That's where democratic socialism steps in, to save the day. Democratic socialism is the future, and if Americans don't realize that yet, they will when advanced robotics and artificial intelligence, takes their jobs.

​

And the meek shall inherit the earth
We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why
We are the priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls
Look around this world we made
Equality, our stock in trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man
Oh, what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand

 

[TruthNotBS]

Domo
Domo

SeaMajor7:

 

[SeaMajor7]

SeaMajor7:

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"No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error."

 

[SeaMajor7]

SeaMajor7:

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Anyway, commie-bot, I'm off to my capitalistic job. I'll check back later on my phone when the boss isn't looking......oh, wait, I am the boss.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[TruthNotBS]

Anyway, commie-bot, I'm off to my capitalistic job. I'll check back later on my phone when the boss isn't looking......oh, wait, I am the boss.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And you will lose your job just as quickly as your co-workers when your employer discovers advanced robotics and AI. If it wasn't for us "commies", you wouldn't have 1/10th the benefits and labor rights that you now enjoy. You're an ingrate.

 

[TruthNotBS]

"No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error."

Ignorance is bliss for you now, but not in 2030. Hopefully, by then you'll be retired, receiving your pension.

 

[SeaMajor7]

And you will lose your job just as quickly as your co-workers when your employer discovers advanced robotics and AI. If it wasn't for us "commies", you wouldn't have 1/10th the benefits and labor rights that you now enjoy. You're an ingrate.

Ha! Can you substantiate just how the FUCK you communist insects secured benefits and labor rights in the capitalist United States????
That does not COMPUTE.
ERROR
dAiZy daaaZzy gIvE mE yOooUr aNswEeeEr dooOooOoooo......

 

[Frankenstein]

The right wing lemmings for decades have campaigned on the theme that democrats want to usher in socialism. Well, when? After 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama, 4 years of Biden, when does the socialism kick in and what does it look like specifically when it comes to programs?

Biden's largest achievements are:

• Infrastructure Bill not socialism and disproportionately benefited rural America
• CHIPS Bill not socialism and is supporting capitalist growth of manufacturing
• PACT act - veteran healthcare is caring for vets socialism?
• American Rescue Plan - not socialism and saved the capital markets and the small business engine of America setting it up to be the healthiest in the world

Not exactly the socialist list of dream policies. Even Obama's Affordable Care Act which pools risk is wildly popular in America and used in Red States to a higher degree than Blue States. In fact only one congressman proposed ending it in the last midterm elections. The rest of Republicans have moved on.

When will I see the socialism?

it is called incrementalism and it's goal is communism !

The Democratic (Party's) March Toward Socialism

Every now and then I hear someone say, "How could a socialist come so close to winning the nomination?" I ask: How can you be surprised?

www.forbes.com

 

[the watcher]

You will still be asking the same question when your universal basic income, your universal basic religion, your universal basic health program, the universal basic comrade security evaluation, and your universal basic schooling for your universal basic child allotment kicks in. You will be transported to your universal basic Work Center to perform your universal basic assignments. And you will be happy.

 

[Anathema]

Why have republicans not gotten rid of all these things yet? Seems to me republicans love evil socialism!!!!!

Unfortunately the Republican Party is highly infested with brain dead liberal and moderate scum and the rest of the party refuses to take the measures necessary to remove them, permanently. As seen during the Trump Administration, these wastes of flesh and oxygen refuse to get onboard the train and vote with the rest of the party, which makes anything short of a Republican Super-Majority in both houses a losing proposition for the party.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Ha! Can you substantiate just how the FUCK you communist insects secured benefits and labor rights in the capitalist United States????
That does not COMPUTE.
ERROR
dAiZy daaaZzy gIvE mE yOooUr aNswEeeEr dooOooOoooo......

The labor rights and benefits that you enjoy today, including the eight-hour workday, the forty-hour workweek, unemployment insurance, Social Security, and the right to unionize, were not handed down by benevolent capitalists. They were fought for and won by the blood, sweat, and tears of American workers, many of whom were led by or were themselves socialists and communists.

Take the example of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), a radical labor union that united hundreds of thousands of workers into “one big union” and fought for better working conditions across racial lines, something mainstream unions failed to do at the time. The IWW's influence continued through the early 20th century, with many of its leaders and members, such as William Z. Foster, going on to lead the American Communist Party. These organizations played a critical role in organizing labor and pushing for the rights that you now take for granted.

Moreover, the Communist Party of the 1930s and 1940s was deeply involved in the labor movement, contributing to the success of the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) in organizing mass industries, which in turn led to the dramatic expansion of labor rights under the New Deal. This expansion included workplace safety protections, unemployment insurance, and the establishment of Social Security. These achievements were part of a broader socialist agenda that aimed to reshape American society in a more equitable direction.

Even during the New Deal era, many of the policies that you likely benefit from today were heavily influenced by socialist ideas. The Socialists of the early 20th century proposed structural changes that laid the groundwork for the New Deal, including unemployment compensation, labor law reform, and old-age pensions. These were ideas that Franklin D. Roosevelt adopted, albeit in a more moderate form, under pressure from the growing strength of the American left.

It’s also worth noting that the conservative backlash against these labor movements, particularly the red-baiting campaigns of the late 1940s and 1950s, was a direct response to the effectiveness of socialist and communist organizers in advancing the cause of American workers. These campaigns sought to dismantle the very movements that had secured labor rights, showing just how much of a threat they were to the capitalist establishment.

In short, the labor rights you enjoy today were won through the tireless efforts of the American left, including many who identified as socialists and communists. Your error in denying this only underscores the importance of understanding the true history of labor in the United States. You right-wing Republican conservatives are a bunch of ingrates. You crap on socialists and "commies", while enjoying the labor rights and benefits fought for by American leftists.

1. "Twilight of World Capitalism" by William Z. Foster
   
   • You can access it online or find more information about this book on Internet Archive.
2. "The S Word: A Short History of an American Tradition...Socialism" by John Nichols
   
   • I've attached this book in PDF form for you here.
   

   ​

 

[SeaMajor7]

The labor rights and benefits that you enjoy today, including the eight-hour workday, the forty-hour workweek, unemployment insurance, Social Security, and the right to unionize, were not handed down by benevolent capitalists. They were fought for and won by the blood, sweat, and tears of American workers, many of whom were led by or were themselves socialists and communists.

Take the example of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), a radical labor union that united hundreds of thousands of workers into “one big union” and fought for better working conditions across racial lines, something mainstream unions failed to do at the time. The IWW's influence continued through the early 20th century, with many of its leaders and members, such as William Z. Foster, going on to lead the American Communist Party. These organizations played a critical role in organizing labor and pushing for the rights that you now take for granted.

Moreover, the Communist Party of the 1930s and 1940s was deeply involved in the labor movement, contributing to the success of the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) in organizing mass industries, which in turn led to the dramatic expansion of labor rights under the New Deal. This expansion included workplace safety protections, unemployment insurance, and the establishment of Social Security. These achievements were part of a broader socialist agenda that aimed to reshape American society in a more equitable direction.

Even during the New Deal era, many of the policies that you likely benefit from today were heavily influenced by socialist ideas. The Socialists of the early 20th century proposed structural changes that laid the groundwork for the New Deal, including unemployment compensation, labor law reform, and old-age pensions. These were ideas that Franklin D. Roosevelt adopted, albeit in a more moderate form, under pressure from the growing strength of the American left.

It’s also worth noting that the conservative backlash against these labor movements, particularly the red-baiting campaigns of the late 1940s and 1950s, was a direct response to the effectiveness of socialist and communist organizers in advancing the cause of American workers. These campaigns sought to dismantle the very movements that had secured labor rights, showing just how much of a threat they were to the capitalist establishment.

In short, the labor rights you enjoy today were won through the tireless efforts of the American left, including many who identified as socialists and communists. Your error in denying this only underscores the importance of understanding the true history of labor in the United States. You right-wing Republican conservatives are a bunch of ingrates. You crap on socialists and "commies", while enjoying the labor rights and benefits fought for by American leftists.

1. "Twilight of World Capitalism" by William Z. Foster
   
   • You can access it online or find more information about this book on Internet Archive.
2. "The S Word: A Short History of an American Tradition...Socialism" by John Nichols
   
   • I've attached this book in PDF form for you here.

1001001 sos

 

[TruthNotBS]

1001001 sos

SeaMajor7:

But that's OK because I don't respond to your posts for your sake anyway but for the sake of genuine truth seekers. Those who are actually interested in the truth. Again, if it wasn't for the American left, you wouldn't have 1/10th the benefits you now enjoy as a worker. You're an ingrate.

 

[SeaMajor7]

SeaMajor7:

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Go away commie-bot, not interested.