When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[citygator]

If that’s true you aren’t far from getting clubbed and bludgeoned with socialism yourself. You have about two years before you get the full effect once it’s turned loose.

What specific socialism are you seeing? I dont see any.

 

[rightwinger]

The limits listed in Article I, Section 8 and the 10th Amendment. Section 8 contains the EXCLUSIVE list of things the Legislature can legislate and spend money on. 17 things. Anything else defers to the 10th Amendment… which says it belongs to the States.

Even Conservative Courts do not support that interpretation

 

[rightwinger]

What specific socialism are you seeing? I dont see any.

To them, anything that helps the people is socialism

 

[SweetSue92]

What bread lines? Arent we the world's richest nation by far? Our issue is inequity, not poverty.

The issue will be poverty once food controls go in to effect.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What socialist policies have been enacted under any of these Presidents?

ObamaCare



Green New Deal

 

[citygator]

The issue will be poverty once food controls go in to effect.

Yawn. No food controls. You fuckers are fainting goats. All for why? Cuz you want to feel like you belong in a group that worship Trump? So weird.

 

[citygator]

ObamaCare



Green New Deal

Obamacare is not socialism. The government took over zero private companies to make them commonly owned by people. It added regulations to a private industry and helped poor people get private insurance. Again. I dont think you know what socialism is.

Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems[1] characterized by social ownership of the means of production,[2] as opposed to private ownership.

 

[Anathema]

Even Conservative Courts do not support that interpretation

Then they’re WRONG. The document is exceptionally clear on the topic I’m no lawyer by any stretch of the imagination and even I can see that.

 

[rightwinger]

Then they’re WRONG. The document is exceptionally clear on the topic I’m no lawyer by any stretch of the imagination and even I can see that.

That would be an idiotic interpretation and the Courts know it

To assume we leave it to 18th century aristocrats to decide what a modern society needs

 

[TruthNotBS]

The right wing lemmings for decades have campaigned on the theme that democrats want to usher in socialism. Well, when? After 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama, 4 years of Biden, when does the socialism kick in and what does it look like specifically when it comes to programs?

Biden's largest achievements are:

• Infrastructure Bill not socialism and disproportionately benefited rural America
• CHIPS Bill not socialism and is supporting capitalist growth of manufacturing
• PACT act - veteran healthcare is caring for vets socialism?
• American Rescue Plan - not socialism and saved the capital markets and the small business engine of America setting it up to be the healthiest in the world

Not exactly the socialist list of dream policies. Even Obama's Affordable Care Act which pools risk is wildly popular in America and used in Red States to a higher degree than Blue States. In fact only one congressman proposed ending it in the last midterm elections. The rest of Republicans have moved on.

When will I see the socialism?

Great thread. I'm a socialist and nationalist, and I've been asking myself this question for years too. When is the socialism going to kick in? Unlike the right-wing Republicans, I want American, nationalistic socialism, implemented ASAP.

 

[rightwinger]

What is Socialist in our society ?

Public Roads
Our School system
Police and Fire Protection
Defense

 

[TruthNotBS]

Seems to me that the batshit crazy leftist dems have found their niche.

I disagree with your assessment of socialism. Socialism doesn't have to limit economic freedom, anymore than the limits we have now. To pretend that limits don't exist now under our current system and do with socialism, is misleading at best. When socialists are being threatened by the American capitalist empire, they hunker down and centralize power, becoming more authoritarian. That occurred here in the USA, during the civil war, and also the 1st and 2nd World Wars. The US became much more authoritarian, forcing Japanese Americans into concentration camps in the 1940s. There were government mandates with respect to rationing and price controls, among other intrusive policies, like the draft.

Socialism in many ways can be much more democratic than what we have now in America under capitalism or perhaps I should say, plutocratic oligarchy.

Now as far as what you said about state control of the major centers of economic power, that is true. I'm not going to contest that. In socialism, we believe there are certain sectors of the economy that should be publicly owned by the people or the working class, and managed by their government. The profits of those industries should be deposited in the public treasury and reinvested into the company to create more jobs and expand the operation or allocated to healthcare, education, and national infrastructure in general. However, I disagree on your claim that healthcare, education, and other services can't have a private sector.

It should be noted that socialism doesn't necessarily prohibit private healthcare and education. You can have a type of Medicare coverage with the state, and the healthcare is provided by private enterprises, or we can have a government run healthcare system like exists in the UK, or here in the United States with our VA, and also allow a private healthcare sector to exist alongside the public sector.

Moreover, although I'm not the type of socialist who interprets what Marx said regarding state and private sector cooperation in the area of vital goods and services, like energy, banking..etc. to mean that the private sector can exist in those areas of the economy, I do acknowledge that I have comrades who do believe that there can be a type of partnership between the state and those so-called "commanding heights of the economy", industries that are vital to the nation's infrastructure. The military-industrial complex, energy production, and other industries can be privatized up to a certain degree and enter into a partnership with the state. I subscribe to the former position, of complete state control of the commanding heights of the economy, allowing privatization only in the non-vital goods and services sector.

I'm still waiting for the Democrats to become socialists. Where are all of the Dem socialists? I can only count maybe a handful, about four or five socialists in the US federal government. At best, maybe not even that.

The democrats are definitely

 

[Anathema]

That would be an idiotic interpretation and the Courts know it

To assume we leave it to 18th century aristocrats to decide what a modern society needs

You don’t have to… you just have to update the document through the legal process. The problem is that Abraham Lincoln destroyed Article I, Section 8 and the Tenth Amendment at the muzzle of cannon and rifled musket. DDR finished it off with the pen.

I would have less (not no but less) issue if you folks had “progressed” this nation via legal means, not the way it was done.

I probably wouldn’t be an American, but that’s a separate story.

 

[Anathema]

What is Socialist in our society ?

Public Roads
Our School system
Police and Fire Protection
Defense

Interstate Riads and Defense are Constitutionally legitimate. The other two aren’t Federal issues.

 

[TruthNotBS]

 

[rightwinger]

Interstate Riads and Defense are Constitutionally legitimate. The other two aren’t Federal issues.

Still socialism regardless

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Damn, even your memes are wrong.

No wonder you are so ignorant.

The real definition of a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

That's communism. If you ever read Karl Marx, the entirety of communism was ultimately community regulation as a whole. People would work for the good of the community. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Marx felt that as communism was fully implemented, government would wither away as unnecessary. There would be no crime as everyone could have what they needed, free.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That's communism. If you ever read Karl Marx, the entirety of communism was ultimately community regulation as a whole. People would work for the good of the community. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Marx felt that as communism was fully implemented, government would wither away as unnecessary. There would be no crime as everyone could have what they needed, free.

 

[TruthNotBS]

That's communism. If you ever read Karl Marx, the entirety of communism was ultimately community regulation as a whole. People would work for the good of the community. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Marx felt that as communism was fully implemented, government would wither away as unnecessary. There would be no crime as everyone could have what they needed, free.

Yes, that's true, but high communism, which is the type of communism we will have in the future, unlike the primitive communism of our ancestors, will require advanced technology, which we don't have at the moment. We might have it in the next few decades, but at the moment, we can;'t automate to the degree necessary for there to be high-communism. Eventually, the individual consumer has access to the production technology operated by the state and no longer needs the government to manage production. The individual will produce everything they consume, using APMMs, Atomic Precision Manufacturing Machines, nanobots, and robotics. artificial intelligence..etc.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

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a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Is there a glimmer of understanding there?