Dadoalex
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So working class voters thing Mexicans are rapists? Drug dealers?No, I didn't. I said it STARTED with the Southern Strategy.I didn't address gun rights.I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.
I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.
They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.
In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.
Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.
If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.
It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.
Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.
You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.
But what happens next.
If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.
This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
If you do not believe gun rights and taxes are important issues, you are not a republican. You never were one.
As for the problems of the GOP, that is the 911 crowd, and if you don't have a clue about science either, you probably still believe the official version of 911, which is completely laughable.
I pointed out the silos of religious adherents within the party and their willingness to subvert their own well being to gain members in their church.
Might want to reread the OP and this time read to understand before your respond.
You do know that prior to 1994 guns were not that big a thing in GOP circles. No?
You do know that lowering taxes DOES NOT increase revenues. No?
Pretty sure you're the topic of the thread.
Gun rights became a bigger issue in 1994 because democrats started pushing more gun control. The issue was always there. It is a central part of every long term republican.
Taxes and spending go together. Reagan tried to get tax and spending cuts, but the dem controlled congress under crook Jim wright and KKK cyclops senate majority leader and Biden bestest buddy Robert Byrd, the KKKing of pork, added back massive spending.
The true concept of fiscal conservatism was only tried during Bill Clinton, because newt stuck him with those budgets, tax and spending cut budgets. What did that do? Booming economy and budget surplus.
Fiscal conservatism works.
W tried tax cuts and massive massive LBJ caliber big government spending/socialism, and that is the disaster America is yet to recover from....
W was not a conservative.
And neither are you....
My wife likes to point out to me, that Newt was able to say no, TO A PRESIDENT FROM THE OTHER PARTY.
You give republicans both Congress AND the presidency, and it seems that they cannot resist either.
I've been pointing it out for years.But how?This is rich, coming from the party that worships The State.I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.
I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.
They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.
In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.
Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.
If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.
It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.
Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.
You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.
But what happens next.
If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.
This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
You guys in the Trump cult have no problem using the power of the state to interfere in the private affairs of citizens and corporations because culture war.
Just look at all the "conservatives" salivating over Ron DeSantis signing a law that interferes in the internal affairs of "Big Tech."
The GQP has become an authoritarian cult of personality movement steeped in grievance. It has nothing to do with libertarian values.
But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself otherwise because cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.
How did we get from Bush 41 to Trump?
BTW..I know the answer. Starts with the "Southern Strategy."
That makes no sense. IF you are a believer in the Southern Strategy conspiracy theory, then it supposedly has been part of EVERY gop platform since nixon, (at least).
So, you are just throwing out partisan shit now.
Which supports my point, that you people are so partisan that it encourages anger from us.
IT HAS been part of the GOP since 69.
AND
The people the GOP was recruiting could easily be described as DAMNED STUPID.
But the GOP winked, promised their fantasies of an all White America would be fulfilled and they could have power again...
Took a while to the late 80s for the stupid to reach critical mass
and it's been downhill into the religious morass the party is stuck in today.
Do you believe Trump won the 2020 election?
Why? What overwhelming body of evidence has convinced you?
OR
Do you believe it because Trump told you so?
Do you believe there was no Russian collusion?
Again, what mountain of evidence convinced you?
Or was it, Again, Trump telling you so while hiding the evidence?
Don't blame me for seeing what you are.
Open your eyes and see for yourself.
Errr, you made teh claim that we went from Bush to Trump, because "southern strategy".
I pointed out that that made no sense, because supposedly if you believe in that debunked Conspiracy Theory than it would have bene a constant during that entire time not the cause of a change.
Your second post, in response, made even less sense. It seems to be just a bucket of anti-GOP talking points, throw at the wall by a monkey, hoping to create some sort of negative.... spin.
Trump ran on clear and strong policies, crafted to serve the interests of working class Americans.
He got a lot of support from white members of that group.
That anyone has trouble understand that, is they being closed minded fools.
Then it was abortion nuts
Then it was ant-science nuts starting with smoking
and on and on and on
Same recruiting methods
Same moronic targets
Same promises
53% of the GOP believes Trump won in 2020.
53%!
No evidence to support those beliefs
TONS of evidence those beliefs are wrong
YET
They cling to those beliefs because they know that real soon now
There will be a Second Coming.
Care to wager on what % of the 53% are rabid evangelicals?
Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.
Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.
Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.
Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.
Don't be ignorant. Not a good look.
Trump recognized what the GOP had devolved into.
He recognized the racism, economic ignorance, narcissism and the other traits dominating the party and spoke the words publicly that the GOP has been whispering for 50 years.
To deny where the GOP was and is either ignorant or dishonest.
To deny that Trump's play was always a grift, that he never intended to win, that he had no idea how to lead and showed it every day is, again, ignorance or dishonesty.