When is rape not a crime?

[Contumacious]

If the law was 14 , and she was NOT 14, how do you figure that the attacker was covered, anyways? She was, in fact, STILL 13 years old..

Whether or not she lied about her age is a question of fact for a jury.

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Love how you state something as a fact then just go ahead and renig on it as soon as someone shows you the total lack in the logic. Funny!

If she was 13- she was 13, and it doesn't matter whether she lied to HIM. A 13 year old does not bear the responsibility of proving her age to an adult- its the ADULT's responsibility to CHECK and VERIFY her age..
Always has been- still is, even with tobacco and alcohol sales. LOL!! You are too funny..

Well, I am sure that wherever you are women do not lie. But in California they do.

At any rate, Ms. Geimer was represented by an agent. The talent agent represented that she was 14.

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[Kat]

Whether or not she lied about her age is a question of fact for a jury.

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Love how you state something as a fact then just go ahead and renig on it as soon as someone shows you the total lack in the logic. Funny!

If she was 13- she was 13, and it doesn't matter whether she lied to HIM. A 13 year old does not bear the responsibility of proving her age to an adult- its the ADULT's responsibility to CHECK and VERIFY her age..
Always has been- still is, even with tobacco and alcohol sales. LOL!! You are too funny..

Well, I am sure that wherever you are women do not lie. But in California they do.

At any rate, Ms. Geimer was represented by an agent. The talent agent represented that she was 14.
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Oh well now that makes a huge difference!!

 

[Zona]

Really? What about his relationship with 15 year old Nastassja Kinski?



Nastassja Kinski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!”



Roman Polanski..

Roman Polanski: ‘Everyone else fancies little girls too’ – Telegraph Blogs

that tells me he HASNT changed

I agree....!! ??

 

[Zona]

FYI: 17 is not the cut-off age in every state, in some states it's 15.

Excuse Me Vernon, but in 1977 the age of consent in California was 14 - Ms. Geimer was 2 weeks away from her 14th birthday. She lied about her age so that she could collect half a mil.


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Do you have something oter than your word that the age of consent was 14 in 77 in california?

 

[DiveCon]

FYI: 17 is not the cut-off age in every state, in some states it's 15.

Excuse Me Vernon, but in 1977 the age of consent in California was 14 - Ms. Geimer was 2 weeks away from her 14th birthday. She lied about her age so that she could collect half a mil.


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Do you have something oter than your word that the age of consent was 14 in 77 in california?

even if it was, the girl was only 13
and HE knew it

 

[Liability]

But I am not blaming the victim, I am blaming the wily Lolita and her mom.

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If the law was 14 , and she was NOT 14, how do you figure that the attacker was covered, anyways? She was, in fact, STILL 13 years old..

Whether or not she lied about her age is a question of fact for a jury.

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Wrong again, you imbecile. There will be no "trial." Polanski already pled guilty. Folks who plead guilty forego trials. Polanski has foregone his trial. Then the coward fled. Now, he's coming back. And he IS coming back.

You truly are a moron.

 

[Contumacious]

FYI: 17 is not the cut-off age in every state, in some states it's 15.

Excuse Me Vernon, but in 1977 the age of consent in California was 14 - Ms. Geimer was 2 weeks away from her 14th birthday. She lied about her age so that she could collect half a mil.


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Do you have something oter than your word that the age of consent was 14 in 77 in california?

Defendant asserts that the jury was improperly instructed. The jury was instructed as follows: "It is not necessary in committing the crime of violation ofPenal Code Section 288 as charged against the defendant in count 1 of the information that the bare skin of the minor be touched. The touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling of the body, members or private parts of a minor under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to and gratifying the lusts, passions and sexual desires of either the minor or the accused, constitutes the offense charged, even though such touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling was through the clothing of the minor

People v. Dontanville, 10 Cal. App. 3d 783, 89 Cal. Rptr. 172 (Cal.App.Dist.2 08/24/1970)

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[DiveCon]

Excuse Me Vernon, but in 1977 the age of consent in California was 14 - Ms. Geimer was 2 weeks away from her 14th birthday. She lied about her age so that she could collect half a mil.


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Do you have something oter than your word that the age of consent was 14 in 77 in california?

Defendant asserts that the jury was improperly instructed. The jury was instructed as follows: "It is not necessary in committing the crime of violation ofPenal Code Section 288 as charged against the defendant in count 1 of the information that the bare skin of the minor be touched. The touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling of the body, members or private parts of a minor under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to and gratifying the lusts, passions and sexual desires of either the minor or the accused, constitutes the offense charged, even though such touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling was through the clothing of the minor

People v. Dontanville, 10 Cal. App. 3d 783, 89 Cal. Rptr. 172 (Cal.App.Dist.2 08/24/1970)

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that doesnt prove it
some states have laws for different levels of punishment based on the age of the victim

 

[Contumacious]

Do you have something oter than your word that the age of consent was 14 in 77 in california?

Defendant asserts that the jury was improperly instructed. The jury was instructed as follows: "It is not necessary in committing the crime of violation ofPenal Code Section 288 as charged against the defendant in count 1 of the information that the bare skin of the minor be touched. The touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling of the body, members or private parts of a minor under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to and gratifying the lusts, passions and sexual desires of either the minor or the accused, constitutes the offense charged, even though such touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling was through the clothing of the minor

People v. Dontanville, 10 Cal. App. 3d 783, 89 Cal. Rptr. 172 (Cal.App.Dist.2 08/24/1970)

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that doesnt prove it
some states have laws for different levels of punishment based on the age of the victim

California Penal Code Section 288.7

(a) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in
sexual intercourse or sodomy with a child who is 10 years of age or
younger is guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment
in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.
(b) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in oral
copulation or sexual penetration, as defined in Section 289, with a
child who is 10 years of age or younger is guilty of a felony and
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a term of
15 years to life.

 

[Liability]

Defendant asserts that the jury was improperly instructed. The jury was instructed as follows: "It is not necessary in committing the crime of violation ofPenal Code Section 288 as charged against the defendant in count 1 of the information that the bare skin of the minor be touched. The touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling of the body, members or private parts of a minor under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to and gratifying the lusts, passions and sexual desires of either the minor or the accused, constitutes the offense charged, even though such touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling was through the clothing of the minor

People v. Dontanville, 10 Cal. App. 3d 783, 89 Cal. Rptr. 172 (Cal.App.Dist.2 08/24/1970)

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that doesnt prove it
some states have laws for different levels of punishment based on the age of the victim

California Penal Code Section 288.7

(a) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in
sexual intercourse or sodomy with a child who is 10 years of age or
younger is guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment
in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.
(b) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in oral
copulation or sexual penetration, as defined in Section 289, with a
child who is 10 years of age or younger is guilty of a felony and
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a term of
15 years to life.

Firmly establishing that the State draws serious felony distinctions based on how much younger the victim is.

I mean, Section 288 has an age of 10 expressed in it:

California Penal Code Section 288.7
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(a) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in
sexual intercourse or sodomy with a child who is 10 years of age or
younger is guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment
in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.
(b) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in oral
copulation or sexual penetration, as defined in Section 289, with a
child who is 10 years of age or younger is guilty of a felony and
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a term of
15 years to life.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/288.7.html

According to Confusedatious, that means the age of consent in California is 10.

What a maroon.

 

[Liability]

Indeed, some sections specifically DO go on to refer to "minors" and appear to define "minor" as a person under the age of 18 years of age.

See, for example, Section 288a:

(a) Oral copulation is the act of copulating the mouth of one
person with the sexual organ or anus of another person.
(b) (1) Except as provided in Section 288, any person who
participates in an act of oral copulation with another person who is
under 18 years of age shall be punished by imprisonment in the state
prison, or in a county jail for a period of not more than one year.
(2) Except as provided in Section 288, any person over the age of
21 years who participates in an act of oral copulation with another
person who is under 16 years of age is guilty of a felony.
(c) (1) Any person who participates in an act of oral copulation
with another person who is under 14 years of age and more than 10
years younger than he or she shall be punished by imprisonment in the
state prison for three, six, or eight years.
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California Penal Code Section 288a - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

 

[DiveCon]

Defendant asserts that the jury was improperly instructed. The jury was instructed as follows: "It is not necessary in committing the crime of violation ofPenal Code Section 288 as charged against the defendant in count 1 of the information that the bare skin of the minor be touched. The touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling of the body, members or private parts of a minor under the age of 14 years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to and gratifying the lusts, passions and sexual desires of either the minor or the accused, constitutes the offense charged, even though such touching, fondling, rubbing or feeling was through the clothing of the minor

People v. Dontanville, 10 Cal. App. 3d 783, 89 Cal. Rptr. 172 (Cal.App.Dist.2 08/24/1970)

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that doesnt prove it
some states have laws for different levels of punishment based on the age of the victim

California Penal Code Section 288.7

(a) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in
sexual intercourse or sodomy with a child who is 10 years of age or
younger is guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment
in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.
(b) Any person 18 years of age or older who engages in oral
copulation or sexual penetration, as defined in Section 289, with a
child who is 10 years of age or younger is guilty of a felony and
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a term of
15 years to life.

thank you for proving my point
but that doesnt support YOUR point at all

 

[DiveCon]

Indeed, some sections specifically DO go on to refer to "minors" and appear to define "minor" as a person under the age of 18 years of age.

See, for example, Section 288a:

(a) Oral copulation is the act of copulating the mouth of one
person with the sexual organ or anus of another person.
(b) (1) Except as provided in Section 288, any person who
participates in an act of oral copulation with another person who is
under 18 years of age shall be punished by imprisonment in the state
prison, or in a county jail for a period of not more than one year.
(2) Except as provided in Section 288, any person over the age of
21 years who participates in an act of oral copulation with another
person who is under 16 years of age is guilty of a felony.
(c) (1) Any person who participates in an act of oral copulation
with another person who is under 14 years of age and more than 10
years younger than he or she shall be punished by imprisonment in the
state prison for three, six, or eight years.
* * * *

California Penal Code Section 288a - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

yup, varying degrees of punishment

 

[Liability]

To further hammer home the point that Confusedatious is an imbecile, we can quote the Ca. Penal Code Sections a bit more:

California Penal Code Section 289

* * * * (h) Except as provided in Section 288, any person who participates
in an act of sexual penetration with another person who is under 18 years of age shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison or in the county jail for a period of not more than one year.
(i) Except as provided in Section 288, any person over the age of
21 years who participates in an act of sexual penetration with
another person who is under 16 years of age shall be guilty of a felony.
(j) Any person who participates in an act of sexual penetration
with another person who is under 14 years of age and who is more than 10 years younger than he or she shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, six, or eight years.
* * * *

California Penal Code Section 289 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

And once again we see the gradation from 18 years of age, downward...

 

[Contumacious]

Indeed, some sections specifically DO go on to refer to "minors" and appear to define "minor" as a person under the age of 18 years of age.t

Polanski pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor - California Penal Code 261.5.


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[JD_2B]

261. (a) Rape is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a
person not the spouse of the perpetrator, under any of the following
circumstances:

(3) Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating
or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this
condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the
accused.

261.5. (a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual
intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the
perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this
section, a "minor" is a person under the age of 18 years and an
"adult" is a person who is at least 18 years of age

Yep and that still counts as rape, as per California code..

CA Codes (pen:261-269)

BUT- The victim wants the shit dismissed... and as per California penal code, it is no longer the issue-

263. The essential guilt of rape consists in the outrage to the
person and feelings of the victim of the rape. Any sexual
penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the crime.

Also, it would be interesting to know what the law was concerning rape, back in "77.. especially if the state attorney's office can pursue it anyways..

 

[Nevadamedic]

When you are a famous left leaning director, according to the hollywood elite.

Roman Polanski: backlash as Whoopi Goldberg says director didn't commit 'rape-rape' - Telegraph

Some fun quotes:

"I know it wasn't rape-rape. I think it was something else, but I don't believe it was rape-rape"...Whoopi Goldberg

"it's a three-decades-old case that is dead but for minor technicalities. We stand by him and await his release and his next masterpiece."..Debra Winger

"He's a humanist" who had been the victim of a "miscarriage of justice" "We will have to speak to our leaders, particularly in California. I'm not too shy to go and talk to the Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and to ask him once and for all to look at this." ...Harvey Weinstein

Not to mention Jack Nicholson and Harrison Ford trying to get the stuff dropped over the past decade.

 

[JD_2B]

As well as the victim...

At least those jackals that care more about his stardom and their entertainment than the safety and well being of the public can see that the victim herself wants this to go away.. I will at least give them that.

 

[Liability]

Indeed, some sections specifically DO go on to refer to "minors" and appear to define "minor" as a person under the age of 18 years of age.t

Polanski pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor - California Penal Code 261.5.


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Which DEFINES minor quite clearly:

(a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the
perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person who is at least 18 years of age.

California Penal Code Section 261.5 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

So, if you ever thought you had a point, you were wrong then and you are now proved wrong, again, by your own words.

The age of a minor is defined as a person LESS than 18 years. ----> 13 qualifies.

And Polanski specifically acknowledged, under oath, that he knew her to be 13 on the date of his crime.

 

[Yukon]

Polanski was convicted becasue he is a foreigner. Americans love to convict non-Americans of boguus crimes i.e Hauptman, Bin Laden, Rosenethal, etc, etc or Negro people.