WHen Newt was the speaker and Clinton was the President

[JRK]

was the best years in my life for this country
the GOP and BC found a way to make it work
Obama needs to learn from that
Obama Guts Welfare Reform | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

Newt Gingrich: Founding Fathers Liked Shutdowns | TIME.com
President Bill Clinton understood this requirement of negotiation, communication and compromise. There is no evidence President Obama believes he is required to negotiate, communicate, or compromise with a Congress which opposes him. In fact, there is a lot of evidence he believes he is superior to the “People’s House.”

If the president begins a phone call with the words “I will not negotiate,” as President Obama did last Friday with Speaker Boehner, it is pretty hard to see how they can find a common ground. That was not President Clinton’s style at all.


Read more: Newt Gingrich: Founding Fathers Liked Shutdowns | TIME.com

 

[Nyvin]

Bill Clinton still had to be re-elected in 1995, Obama doesn't in 2013.

In the 2011 Debt crisis Obama was more willing to negotiate (hence sequester) Also in 2011 repealing ACA wasn't an end-all goal of the GOP.

Plus you don't mention that Clinton was all on his own in 1995, in 2013 Obama has a sizable majority of the Senate supporting him.

Finally the fact that certain moderate Repubs are publicly stating they are against what their party is doing greatly strengthens Obama's position.

Obama's position in all this is so powerful that he really CAN strongarm the GOP more then Clinton.

 

[birddog]

Before The Kenyan was re-elected, how cooperative was he? Hmmm

 

[Ava]

Before The Kenyan was re-elected, how cooperative was he? Hmmm

There really ARE some people who think O wants to cooperate... O just wants to destroy America in ways no one has tried before and he and Holder are doing just that.

 

[Camp]

Gingrich was a leader that was respected for his intellect and leadership abilities. Bohner is not. Gingrich new that things had to get done one way or another and he used his skills to get things done. Bohner does not. Gingrich did not have radical extremist in his own party to fight with over every issue, Bohner does.

 

[Sallow]

When Newt was speaker..

The Republicans obstructed everything Clinton did.
The Republicans had investigation after investigation.
The Republicans closed down government, twice.
The Republicans impeached Clinton.

Almost exactly the same thing they did to Clinton? They are trying on Obama.

 

[Sallow]

Gingrich was a leader that was respected for his intellect and leadership abilities. Bohner is not. Gingrich new that things had to get done one way or another and he used his skills to get things done. Bohner does not. Gingrich did not have radical extremist in his own party to fight with over every issue, Bohner does.

Bullshit.

Gingrich was much smarter the Boehner true, but he was also much more radical.

 

[Ava]

Gingrich was a leader that was respected for his intellect and leadership abilities. Bohner is not. Gingrich new that things had to get done one way or another and he used his skills to get things done. Bohner does not. Gingrich did not have radical extremist in his own party to fight with over every issue, Bohner does.

That is all true, which is why I wanted to see Newt as our candidate in the general election. He has GRIT!!! Not a perfect record but who has with that many years in politics.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

was the best years in my life for this country
the GOP and BC found a way to make it work
Obama needs to learn from that
Obama Guts Welfare Reform | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

Newt Gingrich: Founding Fathers Liked Shutdowns | TIME.com
President Bill Clinton understood this requirement of negotiation, communication and compromise. There is no evidence President Obama believes he is required to negotiate, communicate, or compromise with a Congress which opposes him. In fact, there is a lot of evidence he believes he is superior to the “People’s House.”

If the president begins a phone call with the words “I will not negotiate,” as President Obama did last Friday with Speaker Boehner, it is pretty hard to see how they can find a common ground. That was not President Clinton’s style at all.


Read more: Newt Gingrich: Founding Fathers Liked Shutdowns | TIME.com

There were no , not a one, nada GOP votes for Clinton's '93 budget, tbere were no GOP votes for Obamacare (filled with previously backed by conservatives, ideas).
__________________

 

[Sallow]

Before The Kenyan was re-elected, how cooperative was he? Hmmm

What Kenyan?

And Obama is Irish.

What part of the beer drinking and "O" bama don't you get?

 

[birddog]

was the best years in my life for this country
the GOP and BC found a way to make it work
Obama needs to learn from that
Obama Guts Welfare Reform | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

Newt Gingrich: Founding Fathers Liked Shutdowns | TIME.com
President Bill Clinton understood this requirement of negotiation, communication and compromise. There is no evidence President Obama believes he is required to negotiate, communicate, or compromise with a Congress which opposes him. In fact, there is a lot of evidence he believes he is superior to the “People’s House.”

If the president begins a phone call with the words “I will not negotiate,” as President Obama did last Friday with Speaker Boehner, it is pretty hard to see how they can find a common ground. That was not President Clinton’s style at all.


Read more: Newt Gingrich: Founding Fathers Liked Shutdowns | TIME.com

There were no , not a one, nada GOP votes for Clinton's '93 budget, tbere were no GOP votes for Obamacare (filled with previously backed by conservatives, ideas).
__________________

That shows the dims have a long history of unwillingness to compromise, but Obama has taken it to an extreme!

 

[birddog]

Before The Kenyan was re-elected, how cooperative was he? Hmmm

What Kenyan?

And Obama is Irish.

What part of the beer drinking and "O" bama don't you get?

B. Hussein Obama, your favorite Kenyan, son of an Irish whore!

 

[NYcarbineer]

If it's unconstitutional for the President to use a line-item veto on the budget to take out things he doesn't like,

why shouldn't it be unconstitutional for the House to employ what amounts to a defacto line item veto of the budget,

by holding the budget hostage in order to force the President and the Senate to let them take out what they don't like?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Newt and Clinton years.......well...
Out of those years - came the corrupt policies that bore the mortgage crises of 2008. No argument there.
Summers/Greenspan not only deregulated the derivative markets, but actually placed them outside of the jurisdiction of the SEC....one of the most cronyism/corrupt single acts in American history. (And Summers held not one, but two cabinet positions in Obama's administration)
NAFTA
Fannie and Freddie quadrupled in size.
On and on and on......the cronyism and corruption that happened in the Clinton era is well documented. (both parties)

 

[JRK]

When Newt was speaker..

The Republicans obstructed everything Clinton did.
The Republicans had investigation after investigation.
The Republicans closed down government, twice.
The Republicans impeached Clinton.

Almost exactly the same thing they did to Clinton? They are trying on Obama.

B Clinton impeached B Clinton
he was the one who lied
the govt gets shut down because every-one fails
want to try that again?

 

[JRK]

Newt and Clinton years.......well...
Out of those years - came the corrupt policies that bore the mortgage crises of 2008. No argument there.
Summers/Greenspan not only deregulated the derivative markets, but actually placed them outside of the jurisdiction of the SEC....one of the most cronyism/corrupt single acts in American history. (And Summers held not one, but two cabinet positions in Obama's administration)
NAFTA
Fannie and Freddie quadrupled in size.
On and on and on......the cronyism and corruption that happened in the Clinton era is well documented. (both parties)

But at the end of the day
greed caused the train to de rail

 

[Sallow]

When Newt was speaker..

The Republicans obstructed everything Clinton did.
The Republicans had investigation after investigation.
The Republicans closed down government, twice.
The Republicans impeached Clinton.

Almost exactly the same thing they did to Clinton? They are trying on Obama.

B Clinton impeached B Clinton
he was the one who lied
the govt gets shut down because every-one fails
want to try that again?

No the Republicans impeached President Bill Clinton.
And the Republicans shutdown the government twice during the Clinton Administration.

Republicans think the government is the problem.

Which is why they want to drown it as per Ronald Reagan and Grover Norquist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We the GOP need to learn from the Newt/Clinton years.

The GOP certainly did: tossed Newt aside and negotiated and accepted what they can't change.

The mainstream will do the same to Cruz and the TeaPs before 1 Nov.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Newt and Clinton years.......well...
Out of those years - came the corrupt policies that bore the mortgage crises of 2008. No argument there.
Summers/Greenspan not only deregulated the derivative markets, but actually placed them outside of the jurisdiction of the SEC....one of the most cronyism/corrupt single acts in American history. (And Summers held not one, but two cabinet positions in Obama's administration)
NAFTA
Fannie and Freddie quadrupled in size.
On and on and on......the cronyism and corruption that happened in the Clinton era is well documented. (both parties)

But at the end of the day
greed caused the train to de rail

The 80's was the decade of greed. The wonderful economy of the late 80's - 90's was totally built on debt spending. People having 2nd and 3rd mortgages, millions of people walking around with 5 digit credit card debt. This began the fantasy investment land of Wall Street, where stock values commonly quadrupled the actual value of companies...and the FED and the SEC completely turned a blind eye. It took the both the greed/corruption of the financial markets AND the political corruption of Washington for 2008 to be created.
And guess what? The same fantasy land is being built again - right now.

 

[Camp]

Gingrich was a leader that was respected for his intellect and leadership abilities. Bohner is not. Gingrich new that things had to get done one way or another and he used his skills to get things done. Bohner does not. Gingrich did not have radical extremist in his own party to fight with over every issue, Bohner does.

Bullshit.

Gingrich was much smarter the Boehner true, but he was also much more radical.

I didn't claim Gingrich wasn't radical himself. I said he didn't have to FIGHT over every issue with his party with the radical element. He possessed a level of pragmatism and the ability to know when to hold and when to fold.