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Why do you think that because I support a diverse campus I donāt also support the presence of Whites, Asians and Jews as part of that diversity? It seems that you are the one who does not support it. Given that Blacks are a miniscule demographic in higher ed, and you seek to diminish it furtherā¦..that rather begs the question of what the real agenda is here.What she did was practically accuse me of being a racist because I say that people should not factor race into a decision.
You libs are all for it, as long as it works against whites, Asians, and Jews.
Okā¦then why do you bring it up as if it should be the only factors? It all depends on what the university wants as itās ācultureā and that culture, which you seem to want to bleach, is part of the entire experience of going to a university.OKā¦.I will say this again because you people keep putting words in my mouth: I NEVER said that GPA and test scores are the only factors, albeit they are the two most important - or should be as they are the best indicators of an applicantās likelihood of success in the program.
Agree lots of factors, but why shouldnāt race be part of the mix?There are other factors that are predictive as well. Was the applicant the president of the Student Body in high school? Editor of the yearbook? Was the kid from an underprivileged background and and STILL got a near-perfect exam score?
LOTS of factors. But race should not be among them. And that is why the SCOTUS is likely to rule that it is a violation to do so.
Iām not seeking to diminish anything - thatās your accusation. Itās just that 65% of blacks have been admitted under unfair and racist policies, so correcting the policy so as not to be racist against whites, Asians, and Jews would have that consequence. But that isnāt the aim.Why do you think that because I support a diverse campus I donāt also support the presence of Whites, Asians and Jews as part of that diversity? It seems that you are the one who does not support it. Given that Blacks are a miniscule demographic in higher ed, and you seek to diminish it furtherā¦..that rather begs the question of what the real agenda is here.
BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE BY RACE.Okā¦then why do you bring it up as if it should be the only factors? It all depends on what the university wants as itās ācultureā and that culture, which you seem to want to bleach, is part of the entire experience of going to a university.
Agree lots of factors, but why shouldnāt race be part of the mix?
Unfair how? Unfair like legacy admissions? Unfair like first gen admissions, which also accept lower scores? Unfair like admitting more women to programs where women are traditionally underrepresented?Iām not seeking to diminish anything - thatās your accusation. Itās just that 65% of blacks have been admitted under unfair and racist policies, so correcting the policy so as not to be racist against whites, Asians, and Jews would have that consequence. But that isnāt the aim.
Thr AIM is to eliminate racist policies. I OPPOSE RACISM. (Iāve repeatedly said that I would support affirmative action based on SES.)
Yaā¦some else already noted this..it isnāt about right or wrongā¦it is about RACE. Just one race. Just like your complaints about Disney and advertisements over representing blacks (even though Asians are also overrepresented).BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE BY RACE.
And with that, Iām out. Trumpās rally is about to start!
I understand what you meant.One problem I have with using my iPad is words seem to get skipped. What I meant to say was gpa and test scores have never been the sole criteria, like you say, along with race one of many factors.
I donāt know if she worked in admissions or not, we are in the end, what people choose to believe about us in this place. Butā¦.Iāll limit my words to say I hope that attitude seen here is not the attitude presented to applicants.
When comes to calling members racist, that is not ok in Zone 1, in either direction. I think the argument about āfavoritismā is fair game for discussion though.
Nah. Coyote is 100 percent woman.I think Coyote is a dude! And I have a hard time believing he would say that? BTW, you are wrong about liberals.
You've been shown facts. What you tell me is your opinion and that opinion is colored by a severe bias that has you missing rreality. I am black and white jews owned slaves as well as benefitted from Jim Crow. I'm grown. YOU are the one who needs to grow up. Blacks have not been given favoritism, but you were shown that white females have been the most favored and that includes you.Youāre always saying āas youāve been toldā to other people, so I said the same thing back to you. Comes across as condescending, doesnāt it?
White Jews ābenefittedā by having their families murdered, but instead of whining about it, they buckled down and made a success of their lives instead of blaming failures on the barbaric treatment.
You need to grow up, thank Gd you were born in this country, and have enjoyed all the opportunities and favoritism youāve had for 60 years.
White is a race and white has been the primary qualification for college admission.OKā¦.I will say this again because you people keep putting words in my mouth: I NEVER said that GPA and test scores are the only factors, albeit they are the two most important - or should be as they are the best indicators of an applicantās likelihood of success in the program.
There are other factors that are predictive as well. Was the applicant the president of the Student Body in high school? Editor of the yearbook? Was the kid from an underprivileged background and and STILL got a near-perfect exam score?
LOTS of factors. But race should not be among them. And that is why the SCOTUS is likely to rule that it is a violation to do so.
Theyāve lowered the cut-off point for GPA and exam scores specifically to get more blacks in - while rejecting whites who are better qualified. This will be ruled illegal by SCOTUS.White is a race and white has been the primary qualification for college admission.
www.bls.gov
That doesnāt mean squat. You should have seen the liberal place I worked - unqualified blacks were kicked upstairs to senior management, and their white underlings had to do their jobs for them.According to the 2020 census, Non hispanic whites are 60 percent of the population.
Blacks-13 percent
Whites are 77 percent of the workforce. They are 80 percent of the management.
Blacks are 12.3 percent of the workforce. Blacks are 9 percent of the management.
Employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity
Employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity
And its not because blacks aren't qualified.
There is no black favoritism.
What you say you showed was nothing but a bunch of lies.You were shown that blacks are being favored due to their race, and have been for two generations. You have been told that you donāt repair racism by being racist against other races.
And stop with your crap about Jews owning slaves. Your resentment against a successful minority, that has succeeded despite horrific bigotry, isnāt helping your cause.
And your targeted venom against me, when Iāve never said anything racist, and letting slide the most heinous racism from other posters, is due to your antisemitism. Itās the IDENTICAL reason antisemites target their venom against Israel and let slide the heinous actions by others.
But we still succeed despite this broad antisemitism: intact families, good values, focus on education. You have been shown the path to success.
It means that your claim is a lie. You have ignored the white favoritism that has existed in America from day one until this second, a favoritism YOU have benefitted the most from, and you want to destroy chances others may have to get the same things as whites, because you don't want to see it end.That doesnāt mean squat. You should have seen the liberal place I worked - unqualified blacks were kicked upstairs to senior management, and their white underlings had to do their jobs for them.
Of course, whites quit constantly, tired of the racism. The reason you keep insisting there is no black favoritism is because you donāt want to see it end.
Blacks have been favored over whites for college admissions since the 1970s. It ends in 2023.It means that your claim is a lie. You have ignored the white favoritism that has existed in America from day one until this second, a favoritism YOU have benefitted the most from, and you want to destroy chances others may have to get the same things as whites, because you don't want to see it end.
What if a college decides it wants its ācultureā to be only WASPS - and forbids any blacks or Jews? The fact is that colleges cannot violate the law.Okā¦then why do you bring it up as if it should be the only factors? It all depends on what the university wants as itās ācultureā and that culture, which you seem to want to bleach, is part of the entire experience of going to a university.
If they lowered the cut off pointā¦then that applies to all applicants. What is wrong with that?Theyāve lowered the cut-off point for GPA and exam scores specifically to get more blacks in - while rejecting whites who are better qualified. This will be ruled illegal by SCOTUS.
How is a monoculture comparable to a diverse culture? One actively excludes, the other actively includes.What if a college decides it wants its ācultureā to be only WASPS - and forbids any blacks or Jews? The fact is that colleges cannot violate the law.
Because it doesnāt apply to all applicants. That is why the average GPA and exam scores of accepted whites are so much higher than those of blacks.If they lowered the cut off pointā¦then that applies to all applicants. What is wrong with that?
