When should open the economy? Name a date.

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

since he oversaw the disbanding of the white house office in charge of that stuff,

Trump cut back on the NSC by about half. The "office" was folded into the new staff. Learn what is going on before you spread libtard lies.

The story of how Trump disbanded the white house office

Trump Replaced White House Pandemic-Response Team With Jared Kushner

Luckily, the president’s son-in-law is also an expert in pandemic response.

nymag.com

And then had to rebuild it, and put Jared Kushner in charge.

Look at your source.

 

[linux07]

 

[Rigby5]

Actually we should have never closed down as much as we did and should have enacted social distancing, face masks and maybe just shutting down hot zones.

Rest of the Nation could have kept going while requiring no interstate travel unless it is shipping of goods for sixty days...

Yeah, great idea! My daughter just was transferred from Texas to Virginia. I'm sure the Army would not miss her sitting at my house for two months.

Jesus fucking Christ and people wonder why I use so much profanity at responses like this?

It is a fucking no brainer that Military would be exempted and to act like they would not is just you being your typical asshole self!

I mean do you actually believe I am that stupid enough to say Military should not move and if so just fuck off with that nonsense!

The military should not be exempt.
They are the least necessary right now, and they can not possibly socially distance properly.
The military should quarantine on bases and not leave without a good reason, until its over.

 

[Rigby5]

But isn't it also true that those who have not yet gotten COVID-19 either are immune and will never get it, or will get it eventually?
The only way any virus goes away if after enough people get immunity from getting it.
Social distancing can slow the spread so hospitals do not get over loaded, but it won't reduce the final count, I think.

It will buy us time. A vaccine takes about 12 to 18 months to deploy, and it would be good to have as few people die while waiting for that day.
Think Apollo 13. The goal was to scrub the air, to keep the astronauts alive long enough to get back to earth. To conserve enough power for reentry, and to do so using only what they had on board.
Once we have a vaccine, things will be back to normal

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again…

Possibly.
But a vaccine may also not be practical, it if keeps changing the way flu does.
After all, this particular novel COVID-19 is just a change from SARS.
When you increase the gene pool by having higher animal and human concentrations, as well as more travel, you will increase the speed of lethal virus variations.

 

[linux07]

 

[rich stacy]

But a vaccine may also not be practical, it if keeps changing the way flu does.
After all, this particular novel COVID-19 is just a change from SARS.
When you increase the gene pool by having higher animal and human concentrations, as well as more travel, you will increase the speed of lethal virus variations.

The seasonal flu is not necessarily a mutation, but a different MIX.

Previously, all flu vaccines protected against three influenza viruses: one Influenza A (H3N2) virus, one Influenza A (H1N1) virus, and one Influenza B virus. Today, FluMist and some traditional flu shots cover up to four strains: two Influenza A viruses and two Influenza B viruses.

How many viruses does the flu shot protect against? - WebMD

According to a Feb. 21 CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, the current influenza vaccine has been 45% effective overall against 2019-2020 seasonal influenza A and B viruses. Specifically, the flu vaccine has been 50% effective against influenza B/Victoria viruses and 37% effective against influenza A(H1N1)pdm09.

 

[Rigby5]

But a vaccine may also not be practical, it if keeps changing the way flu does.
After all, this particular novel COVID-19 is just a change from SARS.
When you increase the gene pool by having higher animal and human concentrations, as well as more travel, you will increase the speed of lethal virus variations.

The seasonal flu is not necessarily a mutation, but a different MIX.

Previously, all flu vaccines protected against three influenza viruses: one Influenza A (H3N2) virus, one Influenza A (H1N1) virus, and one Influenza B virus. Today, FluMist and some traditional flu shots cover up to four strains: two Influenza A viruses and two Influenza B viruses.

How many viruses does the flu shot protect against? - WebMD

According to a Feb. 21 CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, the current influenza vaccine has been 45% effective overall against 2019-2020 seasonal influenza A and B viruses. Specifically, the flu vaccine has been 50% effective against influenza B/Victoria viruses and 37% effective against influenza A(H1N1)pdm09.

Increase the viral gene pool and speed of contact, and you will get much more and faster hybridization, even without a faster mutation rate.

How many variations one can vaccinate with a single vaccine against does not matter if the variation rate increases faster than the technology. And the vaccines are always going to be at least a year behind. As the variation rate increases, they will likely get further behind, not ahead.

If we want a permanent solution, we have to reduce population densities and transportation.

 

[linux07]

Coronovirus is actually probably not that big a deal, or at least shouldn't be, by itself.

But we're also waking up to the fact that , uh oh, we're not as healthy as we should be.

America itself IS the sickly, obese, cancer patient that has diabetes and high blood pressure.

We should be young , healthy and vibrant and able to take this on the chin, no problem.

But since we won't treat all our other underlying conditions and we've let them fester for so long, a "trivial" thing like the "flu" is actually probably going to kill us all.

It shouldn't be that big a deal, but now it actually is imperative, because we have so many other problems on top of it we've done nothing about for so long. And worse we're misdiagnosing the shut downs as the cause of us spitting up blood, when actually its the cancer we won't admit to having.

So we have to "over react" and cure one or the other, because we're in complete denial about all the other problems we have . Coronovirus is going to be the country's "co-morbidity" so to speak if we don't get our act together on multiple fronts.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I say we should never have closed it.

What say you? Name a date. May 1st? June 1st?

June 1st assuming the curve has been beat and new cases come to a near stop. To get to that point will require testing. Not everyone, but pockets of people on a volunteer basis similarly to the way Gallup would conduct a poll. Before large companies with hundreds if not thousands of employees are allowed to work in close proximity, they must ALL be tested.

Your Orange God doesn't want to do that of course. He doesn't believe his experts or in science. Trusts his own hunches which have been wrong around 80% of the time. I'd go with Fauci and literally EVERY expert. Not the clowns who are in Donnie's ear daily like Rudy, Hannity, Navarro, Ingraham, and Dr "Quack Quack" Oz.

If you fail to do that, declare that the virus is beaten, send everyone back to work we'll end up with an even worse outbreak resulting in trillions more in bailouts and another 90 day national shutdown. Then your turd is gonna lose the election and this country will be fucked for a generation.

Your prognostications are duly noted. They sit in the pen with all the other bullshit you've produced.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Yesterday.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Residents in some Utah counties still going about their normal lives despite coronavirus pandemic

Streets are bustling in the county of Washington, Utah, with no masks or gloves in sight.

abcnews.go.com

Washington county, Utah (St. George)...business as usual.

Utah has 18 total deaths and 2,000 cases.

What do those mormons know ?

 

[Uncensored2008]

So where did the Spanish flu of 1918 come from?

Yes, I saw the Wikipedia entry. But it most likely originated in the Ottoman empire. The Brits had the most contact and brought it back from WWI

So the Spanish Flu wasn't from Spain

And the coronavirus?

The Wuhan virus though, started in Wuhan.

China has no trouble with Hong Kong protesters anymore.....

There is no doubt Wuhan virus comes from China - as nearly every deadly strain of influenza over the last century has. Tell me, each year when the quadvariate flu inoculation is developed, how does the CDC decide what 4 strains to use?

 

[Uncensored2008]

And why did Trump fail to restock? We would not have faced the shortage had he done his job. They both failed, if the president is the one responsible for restocking the federal emergency stockpile.

So, Orange Man Bad then?

No, Trump had not dipped into the strategic reserves, only Obama.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think we should end these lock downs now. Let people get back to work. They are smart enough to take care of themselves. Taking care of your health has always been a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

The only way a person can "take care of their health" is to stay at home and not expose themselves to the virus, but the poor people can't afford to do that because they have the "personal responsibility" of paying the rent and buying groceries to consider. The poorest among you get the sickest. Poor people are dying, not rich people.

So as long as the poor people who need their jobs the most, are also the ones most likely to get sick and spread the disease, you have a Catch 22 situation here. You have to take of the poorest people first, and I know how much Republicans hate to do that.

Comrade;

I think it's time that ALL people play by the rules. Let's start by having all truck drivers stay home. It's just too great of a risk. We need to stop ALL trucks going into the densely populated hot zones like Manhattan, Trenton, Chicago, Atlanta, Scat Francisco. And we must stop putting utility workers at risk. Turn off the electricity to these cities, and the water and gas. We must lock down Comrade.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I say we should never have closed it.

What say you? Name a date. May 1st? June 1st?

/----/ Yesterday.

 

[ColonelAngus]

It was Obama’s fault that I got H1N1 in 2009. Jerk.

 

[DrLove]

I say we should never have closed it.

What say you? Name a date. May 1st? June 1st?

June 1st assuming the curve has been beat and new cases come to a near stop. To get to that point will require testing. Not everyone, but pockets of people on a volunteer basis similarly to the way Gallup would conduct a poll. Before large companies with hundreds if not thousands of employees are allowed to work in close proximity, they must ALL be tested.

Your Orange God doesn't want to do that of course. He doesn't believe his experts or in science. Trusts his own hunches which have been wrong around 80% of the time. I'd go with Fauci and literally EVERY expert. Not the clowns who are in Donnie's ear daily like Rudy, Hannity, Navarro, Ingraham, and Dr "Quack Quack" Oz.

If you fail to do that, declare that the virus is beaten, send everyone back to work we'll end up with an even worse outbreak resulting in trillions more in bailouts and another 90 day national shutdown. Then your turd is gonna lose the election and this country will be fucked for a generation.

Your prognostications are duly noted. They sit in the pen with all the other bullshit you've produced.

Wow - Great rebuttal! See ya chump

 

[Montrovant]

And why did Trump fail to restock? We would not have faced the shortage had he done his job. They both failed, if the president is the one responsible for restocking the federal emergency stockpile.

So, Orange Man Bad then?

No, Trump had not dipped into the strategic reserves, only Obama.

So since Obama didn't restock, no president after him should? That's some pretty faulty logic.

 

[lennypartiv]

You want a date to restart the economy? Tomorrow.

 

[Zander]

Back to work / back to normal before we have ways of stopping the spread, is the formula for the original death toll estimates.

The original death toll estimate was pure propaganda. It worked. We shut down the economy over what appears to be less that the deaths of an average flu season. They're desperately trying to inflate the death toll now. It's so blatant that if you got hit by a bus and killed, if they thought you had Covid 19, that would be listed as the cause.

You don't understand the numbers. They were based on the conditions on the ground as input points to an epidemic model. Factors like R0 determine the exponential expansion of the curve, with the area under the curve the total cases, and or fatalities.

The original R0 estimates wre in the 2.5 to 3.5 range, hence a total of 100K to 240K fatalities.

With the closure of schools the R0 was reduced by a third. Closing down non-essential business, another third. Social distancing another third. Bringing the R0 down near or below 1.0

Reversing any of the mitigating elements under the current case load, would return us to the original trajectory, virtually where we left off.

Fiddlesticks. I understand the numbers perfectly. Mitigation was already baked in the cake for all of the IHME models.

The virus is real but the death toll is not.

Here's Dr Birx admitting that the death toll is artificially inflated:

Responding to a question from a reporter about potential underreporting of novel coronavirus deaths in the nation, Dr. Birx responded: “I think in this country, we are taking a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks,” she said, adding, “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that.”