When th government makes everything free...the poor pay the most....

[2aguy]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

 

[Brain357]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

So what value in benefits does the poor receive for each pound paid in taxes?

 

[2aguy]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

So what value in benefits does the poor receive for each pound paid in taxes?

Not enough if it keeps them poor forever...that is what socialism does...it creates perpetual poverty, saps the will to improve ones life.

 

[Stephanie]

If the citizens in this day and age doesn't get that. Which we see a lot of the Democrat/ Socialist party followers don't. Then they deserve to live like paupers while their masters in Government lives high off the hog. Unfortunately, the rest of us will have to live it too

 

[Brain357]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

So what value in benefits does the poor receive for each pound paid in taxes?

Not enough if it keeps them poor forever...that is what socialism does...it creates perpetual poverty, saps the will to improve ones life.

It appears they receive more than they pay. Why is it so many countries you'd call socialist have more upward mobility than us?

The second lowest income decile did the best out of the deal, receiving, on average, £11,653 more in benefits than they pay in tax – the most of any group.

 

[Brain357]

U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility Economic Policy Institute

 

[2aguy]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

So what value in benefits does the poor receive for each pound paid in taxes?

Not enough if it keeps them poor forever...that is what socialism does...it creates perpetual poverty, saps the will to improve ones life.

It appears they receive more than they pay. Why is it so many countries you'd call socialist have more upward mobility than us?

The second lowest income decile did the best out of the deal, receiving, on average, £11,653 more in benefits than they pay in tax – the most of any group.

they don't brain...show how that is true....they stay poor their entire lives, content to receive low quality government crap than to improve their situations....in the.U.S. There was far more mobility....people moved in and out of different wealth categories during their lives.

 

[Brain357]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

So what value in benefits does the poor receive for each pound paid in taxes?

Not enough if it keeps them poor forever...that is what socialism does...it creates perpetual poverty, saps the will to improve ones life.

It appears they receive more than they pay. Why is it so many countries you'd call socialist have more upward mobility than us?

The second lowest income decile did the best out of the deal, receiving, on average, £11,653 more in benefits than they pay in tax – the most of any group.

they don't brain...show how that is true....they stay poor their entire lives, content to receive low quality government crap than to improve their situations....in the.U.S. There was far more mobility....people moved in and out of different wealth categories during their lives.

The link I just posted shows we lag in mobility.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

So what value in benefits does the poor receive for each pound paid in taxes?

Not enough if it keeps them poor forever...that is what socialism does...it creates perpetual poverty, saps the will to improve ones life.

It appears they receive more than they pay. Why is it so many countries you'd call socialist have more upward mobility than us?

The second lowest income decile did the best out of the deal, receiving, on average, £11,653 more in benefits than they pay in tax – the most of any group.

Because the studies are done by left wingers.....they look at income inequality as the biggest factor...while in these socialist countries so many people are at the same economic level moving between one lower point and one not that np much farther is easier. I call your study crap.

 

[Care4all]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

And this is why the States in the US that rely solely on a State Sales Tax and do not have an income tax as well, are HURTING the poor the most and gifting the wealthiest with much more of their income.

Sales taxes are regressive taxes, and in all states with a sales tax, even if they have an income tax as well....tax the poor more as a percentage of total income, than the wealthiest in State Taxation. This is one reason why the progressive income tax at the federal level of taxation was considered fair and balanced....it made up some of that "unfairness" in State taxation from what I have read.

Lesson to learn.....DO NOT EVER let our government create a VAT, a Sales tax, it will only hurt the poorest the most.

 

[Brain357]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

So what value in benefits does the poor receive for each pound paid in taxes?

Not enough if it keeps them poor forever...that is what socialism does...it creates perpetual poverty, saps the will to improve ones life.

It appears they receive more than they pay. Why is it so many countries you'd call socialist have more upward mobility than us?

The second lowest income decile did the best out of the deal, receiving, on average, £11,653 more in benefits than they pay in tax – the most of any group.

Because the studies are done by left wingers.....they look at income inequality as the biggest factor...while in these socialist countries so many people are at the same economic level moving between one lower point and one not that np much farther is easier. I call your study crap.

I see. Provide some evidence that your claim is true. Everything I have seen shows many of your socialist countries have more mobility.

 

[Brain357]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

And this is why the States in the US that rely solely on a State Sales Tax and do not have an income tax as well, are HURTING the poor the most and gifting the wealthiest with much more of their income.

Sales taxes are regressive taxes, and in all states with a sales tax, even if they have an income tax as well....tax the poor more as a percentage of total income, than the wealthiest in State Taxation. This is one reason why the progressive income tax at the federal level of taxation was considered fair and balanced....it made up some of that "unfairness" in State taxation from what I have read.

Lesson to learn.....DO NOT EVER let our government create a VAT, a Sales tax, it will only hurt the poorest the most.

In this example the poor are receiving more in benefits than they pay in taxes.

 

[2aguy]

Just as I suspected...when everyone is average it is easy to step up one ring and be seen as doing better...

Is it easier to obtain the American Dream in Europe PunditFact

For children born into the lowest quartile, 83 percent made higher family incomes than their parents, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, which examined the same long-term family survey that Pew uses. As a whole, 67 percent of U.S. adults out-earned their parents.



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We won’t visit each point here (this is getting long enough -- eat a cookie, you deserve it). Basically, he cautioned the data used for some of these studies is not collected in the same way, and cultural differences could account for some of the income gaps.

Plus, he wrote, Americans have to make more money to move from the bottom to the top than in countries such as Denmark.

But many see that as the problem, said Julia Isaacs, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute who studied international comparisons of generational income mobility in 2007.More distance means more inequality.

"We have more distance from the top to bottom," she said, "and whether that’s a good or bad thing may depend on your point of view."

 

[Brain357]

Just as I suspected...when everyone is average it is easy to step up one ring and be seen as doing better...

Is it easier to obtain the American Dream in Europe PunditFact

For children born into the lowest quartile, 83 percent made higher family incomes than their parents, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, which examined the same long-term family survey that Pew uses. As a whole, 67 percent of U.S. adults out-earned their parents.



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We won’t visit each point here (this is getting long enough -- eat a cookie, you deserve it). Basically, he cautioned the data used for some of these studies is not collected in the same way, and cultural differences could account for some of the income gaps.

Plus, he wrote, Americans have to make more money to move from the bottom to the top than in countries such as Denmark.

But many see that as the problem, said Julia Isaacs, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute who studied international comparisons of generational income mobility in 2007.More distance means more inequality.

"We have more distance from the top to bottom," she said, "and whether that’s a good or bad thing may depend on your point of view."

Your link seems to support other countries have more mobility.

The United States has a greater degree of "stickiness," in which people at both extremes of the income distribution are likely to stay in the quintile into which they were born, than neighbor Canada, she said, referencing this report.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

And this is why the States in the US that rely solely on a State Sales Tax and do not have an income tax as well, are HURTING the poor the most and gifting the wealthiest with much more of their income.

Sales taxes are regressive taxes, and in all states with a sales tax, even if they have an income tax as well....tax the poor more as a percentage of total income, than the wealthiest in State Taxation. This is one reason why the progressive income tax at the federal level of taxation was considered fair and balanced....it made up some of that "unfairness" in State taxation from what I have read.

Lesson to learn.....DO NOT EVER let our government create a VAT, a Sales tax, it will only hurt the poorest the most.

In this example the poor are receiving more in benefits than they pay in taxes.

Yes, Britain shows what happens when you allow the government to pay for everything...the poor end up paying huge amounts of their wealth for crappy government services....

Brits Of All Incomes Struggling Under Massive Tax Burden

The poorest people in the UK pay out nearly half of their income in taxes, new research has found. At the other end of the scale, the richest 10 per cent pay out nearly £30,000 a year more than they receive in benefits in kind.
The figures explode the government’s rhetoric on lifting the poorest out of taxation, as, although the government has given with one hand in the form of lower income taxes, it has taken with the other, primarily through VAT.

Previous analysis of the distribution of the tax burden has focused on income tax, which falls disproportionately on the highest earners. Last year, the Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly warned the government against looking to this group to plug its finances, arguing that “lumping more taxes on the rich” was not a sustainable strategy in the long term.

This view was further reinforced when, at the end of last year, it emerged that the top 3,000 earners pay more in tax than the bottom third of earners, some 9 million people.

However, new analysis by the TaxPayers’ Alliance shows that high taxes aren’t only a problem for the rich. This year, Value Added Tax (VAT) will be the government’s second largest source of revenue, and that tax hits lowest income households the hardest as a percentage of outgoings.

And this is why the States in the US that rely solely on a State Sales Tax and do not have an income tax as well, are HURTING the poor the most and gifting the wealthiest with much more of their income.

Sales taxes are regressive taxes, and in all states with a sales tax, even if they have an income tax as well....tax the poor more as a percentage of total income, than the wealthiest in State Taxation. This is one reason why the progressive income tax at the federal level of taxation was considered fair and balanced....it made up some of that "unfairness" in State taxation from what I have read.

Lesson to learn.....DO NOT EVER let our government create a VAT, a Sales tax, it will only hurt the poorest the most.

In this example the poor are receiving more in benefits than they pay in taxes.

And that is crushing Europe.....

 

[2aguy]

Of course, the only reason they can afford to give so much to the poor in welfare is that they haven't had to pay for national defense since World War 2. They can take all that money and give the poor crappy government services.....but Putin is going to change that.

 

[2aguy]

Just as I suspected...when everyone is average it is easy to step up one ring and be seen as doing better...

Is it easier to obtain the American Dream in Europe PunditFact

For children born into the lowest quartile, 83 percent made higher family incomes than their parents, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, which examined the same long-term family survey that Pew uses. As a whole, 67 percent of U.S. adults out-earned their parents.



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We won’t visit each point here (this is getting long enough -- eat a cookie, you deserve it). Basically, he cautioned the data used for some of these studies is not collected in the same way, and cultural differences could account for some of the income gaps.

Plus, he wrote, Americans have to make more money to move from the bottom to the top than in countries such as Denmark.

But many see that as the problem, said Julia Isaacs, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute who studied international comparisons of generational income mobility in 2007.More distance means more inequality.

"We have more distance from the top to bottom," she said, "and whether that’s a good or bad thing may depend on your point of view."

Your link seems to support other countries have more mobility.

The United States has a greater degree of "stickiness," in which people at both extremes of the income distribution are likely to stay in the quintile into which they were born, than neighbor Canada, she said, referencing this report.

Moving from crap to crap is not more mobility.

 

[Brain357]

Just as I suspected...when everyone is average it is easy to step up one ring and be seen as doing better...

Is it easier to obtain the American Dream in Europe PunditFact

For children born into the lowest quartile, 83 percent made higher family incomes than their parents, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, which examined the same long-term family survey that Pew uses. As a whole, 67 percent of U.S. adults out-earned their parents.



******************

We won’t visit each point here (this is getting long enough -- eat a cookie, you deserve it). Basically, he cautioned the data used for some of these studies is not collected in the same way, and cultural differences could account for some of the income gaps.

Plus, he wrote, Americans have to make more money to move from the bottom to the top than in countries such as Denmark.

But many see that as the problem, said Julia Isaacs, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute who studied international comparisons of generational income mobility in 2007.More distance means more inequality.

"We have more distance from the top to bottom," she said, "and whether that’s a good or bad thing may depend on your point of view."

Your link seems to support other countries have more mobility.

The United States has a greater degree of "stickiness," in which people at both extremes of the income distribution are likely to stay in the quintile into which they were born, than neighbor Canada, she said, referencing this report.

But many studies back up Rattner’s point. Studies show that we are behind "many countries in Europe in terms of the ability of every kid in America to get ahead." Nordic countries have particularly higher rates of income mobility than the United States.

We rate the statement Mostly True.

 

[Brain357]

Just as I suspected...when everyone is average it is easy to step up one ring and be seen as doing better...

Is it easier to obtain the American Dream in Europe PunditFact

For children born into the lowest quartile, 83 percent made higher family incomes than their parents, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, which examined the same long-term family survey that Pew uses. As a whole, 67 percent of U.S. adults out-earned their parents.



******************

We won’t visit each point here (this is getting long enough -- eat a cookie, you deserve it). Basically, he cautioned the data used for some of these studies is not collected in the same way, and cultural differences could account for some of the income gaps.

Plus, he wrote, Americans have to make more money to move from the bottom to the top than in countries such as Denmark.

But many see that as the problem, said Julia Isaacs, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute who studied international comparisons of generational income mobility in 2007.More distance means more inequality.

"We have more distance from the top to bottom," she said, "and whether that’s a good or bad thing may depend on your point of view."

Your link seems to support other countries have more mobility.

The United States has a greater degree of "stickiness," in which people at both extremes of the income distribution are likely to stay in the quintile into which they were born, than neighbor Canada, she said, referencing this report.

Moving from crap to crap is not more mobility.

You seem to have no real support for your claims.

 

[2aguy]

Just as I suspected...when everyone is average it is easy to step up one ring and be seen as doing better...

Is it easier to obtain the American Dream in Europe PunditFact

For children born into the lowest quartile, 83 percent made higher family incomes than their parents, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, which examined the same long-term family survey that Pew uses. As a whole, 67 percent of U.S. adults out-earned their parents.



******************

We won’t visit each point here (this is getting long enough -- eat a cookie, you deserve it). Basically, he cautioned the data used for some of these studies is not collected in the same way, and cultural differences could account for some of the income gaps.

Plus, he wrote, Americans have to make more money to move from the bottom to the top than in countries such as Denmark.

But many see that as the problem, said Julia Isaacs, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute who studied international comparisons of generational income mobility in 2007.More distance means more inequality.

"We have more distance from the top to bottom," she said, "and whether that’s a good or bad thing may depend on your point of view."

Your link seems to support other countries have more mobility.

The United States has a greater degree of "stickiness," in which people at both extremes of the income distribution are likely to stay in the quintile into which they were born, than neighbor Canada, she said, referencing this report.

But many studies back up Rattner’s point. Studies show that we are behind "many countries in Europe in terms of the ability of every kid in America to get ahead." Nordic countries have particularly higher rates of income mobility than the United States.

We rate the statement Mostly True.

Of course they do...politifact is a left wing site.....they ignore the reality that sameness leaves little room for real change...so any small change is bigger.....you guys want the borg collective.....we don't.