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That’s the responsibility of parents to teach and train up a child in the ways of the Lord. When a child understands what it means to sin and can sin, then Baptized them for the remission of the sins they can now commit. Sin is different than disobedience by a child. And therefore, calling a baby a sinner is repulsive to God.Interesting. So let's let the child grow up in disobedience and the ways of the world so he can change his mind and then turn to obedience and God.
The child will grow up not knowing one thing about what happened in church one day when they were 3 months old. It will not affect them if they have no knowledge of it. It will not prevent the child from doing wrong as they grow. They will not be more obedient because of an event that happened that they don't remember.Interesting. So let's let the child grow up in disobedience and the ways of the world so he can change his mind and then turn to obedience and God.
You say it didn't give you a sense of false security, but only assume it must give others a sense of false security? That doesn't make sense.No, it makes no sense to say it gave me a false sense of security when I didn't even believe in it, I didn't believe in ANY thing from the church or religion at all.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. The only reason I went to Catholic church as a child was because my mom took my sisters and I to church, if wasn't because I believed it.
My faith didn't start until many years later, and when it did, it was profound experience I had with God literally lifting the veil from my eyes... when I wasn't even looking for God. At that point I started to believe in Jesus and the Gospel.
Just the opposite. This isn't a game to be won or lost. This is a soul for Christ, in a co-mission to spread His word. Buttercup has a heart for Jesus and champions Him, not herself. She won't take the easy road and go with the flow, she stands her ground and relays the Good News. And she will be the same tomorrow as she is today, resolute in her convictions and willing to call out false doctrine that may harm others. I'm glad that she's here.So obviously desperate to "win." I guess that's all that faith means to you. Ok. The "look how many posts you have!" divergence particularly reeks of desperation and frustration. Good luck with that.
Interesting take on baptism... But then I don't believe in depriving a child of God baptism.The child will grow up not knowing one thing about what happened in church one day when they were 3 months old. It will not affect them if they have no knowledge of it. It will not prevent the child from doing wrong as they grow. They will not be more obedient because of an event that happened that they don't remember.
Why on earth would you believe that God-fearing parents will not train a child in the way it should go?
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: And when he is old, he will not depart from it
It doesn't say baptize a child, it says train up a child...
But you do teach them from a very young age the forgiveness of sins and the gifts of the Holy Spirit?That’s the responsibility of parents to teach and train up a child in the ways of the Lord. When a child understands what it means to sin and can sin, then Baptized them for the remission of the sins they can now commit. Sin is different than disobedience by a child. And therefore, calling a baby a sinner is repulsive to God.
He gave us an instruction manual. We don't have to presume or assume what the will of God is. He told us. The Bible is filled with what His will is. And what it isn't:Once again arrogantly presuming to know the will of God.
^ Not one bit of that is true, but I see you are still hoping we're all going to hell but you...This is heresy, according to the Church Christ founded, which is the Catholic Church. It is the only one that goes back to the first century, began being called Catholic (Universal) in the FIRST century. Why do you adhere to a "church" that is NOT a Church? Jesus founded only ONE, not 30 or 40,000, all teaching different things.
I wish protestants would wake up. At least they should investigate the claims of the CC (meaning the true CC not the fake one currently occupying the Vatican, against God's will).
I direct people to the Sedevacantists who KNOW Catholic teaching that was available to all for 20 centuries until the takeover of the Vatican 65 years ago by anti-Catholics. When I say "Catholic" here I am speaking (unless I say otherwise) of the TRUE Catholic Church..
The other 2 branches are in error, though they get a few things right.
Anyhow.. it's unbelievable to me how obstinate Protestants are in rejecting the True Faith. They hold onto their old ideas even when Catholics point out scripture that tells a different story. That's a good way to get yourself into Hell. Jesus founded a Church to get people to Heaven.. and it is the only one that has the wherewithal to do that.
It might help to drop the personal attacks and concentrate on what is being posted instead of the poster.This thread has devolved into straight-up bigotry. How spiritual.
You're a petty troll who contributes nothing. You don't even try to debate a positionDon't derail this thread with your nonsense. There are other places for you to melt down.
You're a petty troll who contributes nothing. You don't even try to debate a position
Find me the child that says, "I'd better not do that. I was baptized as a child."Interesting take on baptism... But then I don't believe in depriving a child of God baptism.
Catholics have a strong faith in the power of the Sacraments and the redemption and salvation of our lives made possible by Jesus sacrifice/obedience to death on the cross. He taught us the forgiveness of sins. In obedience we have turned/repented from that old way of life, thus have been baptized, and now we, the Body of Christ, continue with baptizing our babies into this new way of life, brought to us by Jesus over two thousand years ago that has been life ever since. This is a life where the baptized are given the promises of grace, justification, and life as priest, prophet, king. And here, with each new life given us, we begin.Some Catholic traditions are of course not 'biblical' and some are just bizarre, and child baptism is one of them
Did Christ, or did he not, open redemption and the Way of Salvation two thousand years ago through his sacrifice on the cross? Do we start over with the Garden of Eden (disobedience), or do we start with the Way of Salvation (obedience) that has now been open for two thousand years? If you believe it important that children start at the way lived in the Garden of Eden before they come forward thousands of years later to the Way of Salvation, then I somewhat understand why some wait for baptism. However, for those starting with the Way of Salvation that has been open for two thousand years, we begin with Baptism as Christ commanded. We believe and have faith in the power of God's sacrament of Baptism.Repentance is listed first.
That’s what is meant by teaching and training up a child in the ways of the Lord. So that when they go beyond disobedience into sin, they want to be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. That’s easy to understand.But you do teach them from a very young age the forgiveness of sins and the gifts of the Holy Spirit?
And when they sin after baptism?That’s what is meant by teaching and training up a child in the ways of the Lord. So that when they go beyond disobedience into sin, they want to be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost.
What does Jesus teach? Repent and ask for forgiveness. I know Catholics teach this too. You confess your sins to priests and to the Lord asking for forgiveness. To help keep us on track we renew our baptismal and temple covenants each week by participating and partaking the Sacraments on the Sabbath Day.And when they sin after baptism?
But we heard them first coming out of Christ's mouth. And He included a "must" in His commentary:It does appear we hear the words "Born Again" more often in non-Catholic Christianity
