Which party is mainly responsible for the mess?

[rdean]

Clinton was the beneficiary of the false dot com bubble. An artificial bump to the economy based on paper that had not real value.

BTW, Bubba was not a obama type liberal, he was far to the right of obama (and hillary).

but back to the topic, which party has controlled congress for most of the years since FDR? read the chart. then tell us how the party that was not in control is responsible.

So you're saying that all your rightwing pals who claimed that it was really the GOP Congress in the late nineties who balanced the budget and saw all that job creation,

those people are full of shit?

what I am saying is that democrats have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years, soooooooooo they are mostly responsible for the current mess. control = responsibility.

Your example of good things that happened during GOP control just verifies my point--thanks.

Democrats are always blackmailed. Seems they have a weak spot when it comes to Americans suffering. Republicans don't seem to be afflicted with that condition.

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush - from surplus to deficit.

After Bush - 5 years of unprecidented obstruction by the Republicans.

It is taking a toll even on a strong country like the USA.

there was no surplus under clinton, the national debt increased every year that he was in office. If there was a surplus, the debt would have been reduced or stayed the same.

the clinton budget surplus is a lie.

obstructing failed socialist policies is beneficial to the economy. if the republicans had not blocked some of the stupidity, the economy would be in much worse condition.

Is it that you don't know a budget is, or that you don't know what a surplus is?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Clinton was the beneficiary of the false dot com bubble. An artificial bump to the economy based on paper that had not real value.

BTW, Bubba was not a obama type liberal, he was far to the right of obama (and hillary).

but back to the topic, which party has controlled congress for most of the years since FDR? read the chart. then tell us how the party that was not in control is responsible.

So you're saying that all your rightwing pals who claimed that it was really the GOP Congress in the late nineties who balanced the budget and saw all that job creation,

those people are full of shit?

what I am saying is that democrats have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years, soooooooooo they are mostly responsible for the current mess. control = responsibility.

Your example of good things that happened during GOP control just verifies my point--thanks.

Wait a minute. First you said the Clinton economy wasn't good, then when you're reminded of the GOP Congress,

you say it was good, and furthermore you agree that the budget was balanced.

Then you say that the budget was never balanced.

You are suffering from daveman/Katzndogz/PoliticalChic grade stupidity. lololol

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush - from surplus to deficit.

After Bush - 5 years of unprecidented obstruction by the Republicans.

It is taking a toll even on a strong country like the USA.

there was no surplus under clinton, the national debt increased every year that he was in office. If there was a surplus, the debt would have been reduced or stayed the same.

the clinton budget surplus is a lie.

obstructing failed socialist policies is beneficial to the economy. if the republicans had not blocked some of the stupidity, the economy would be in much worse condition.

That's funny. Earlier in the thread you agreeing there was a budget surplus under Clinton,

when you thought you could credit it to the GOP Congress.

 

[candycorn]

This nation has not been totally debt free since Andrew Jackson was President and that was only for a year or so both parties have done there fair share to create this mess and I see no end in sight as neither party or more important the American people have the will to do what is necessary to fix this mess.

I am seeing a subtle awakening of the american people to the corruption and incompetence in our government, the self-serving actions of the president and the congress.

The question is: is it too late? hopefully it isn't.

the debt has gone from 10T to 17T in 5 years under the incompetence of obama, yet the media refuses to address it and the congress refuses to make the hard decisions to deal with it.

We need some statesmen from both parties in DC. Who will step up?

The house voted to overturn Obamacare and will probably have more hearings about BenGotcha next month.

But continue to blame the media...

 

[candycorn]

The American people are to blame. We get the government we deserve.

 

[auditor0007]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

What mess? The deficit? That is mostly on Republicans. As for the economy, most of that is out of the direct control of Congress. The economy does much of what it does on its own, good or bad.

the deficit is on republicans???? duh, 10T when obama took over, 17T today, likely 24T when he leaves. You cannot even logically blame the first 10T on republicans because it took the first 43 presidents to run that up. But the next 10T is clearly on obozo and the dems. they are the ones who refuse a balanced budget (hell, they refused to even pass a budget for 5 years).

you blame congress? well I already showed you which party has controlled congress for most of the last 75 years.

The first few years of Reagan's presidency, tax revenues equaled 19% of GDP despite the economy being in a bad recession. The first few years of Obama's presidency, tax revenues equaled 15% of GDP, and the reason revenue was so low is that taxes had been cut so much by Republicans. The fact is that the majority of the deficit under Obama is due to taxes being too low. If taxes had been this low under Reagan, the Reagan recovery would have taken much longer to take hold.

 

[Billy000]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

So its not Bush's fault whatsoever huh? You honestly think Bush did not contribute to the "mess"?

Even still, you are not considering other contributing factors. To blame it all on the party in power is unrealistic.

 

[Old Rocks]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

Well, one must admit that the GOP has gotten better since the 1920's. After all, it took 5 terms of double R in the Congress and Senate to create the First Great Republican Depression. You guys damn did it with just 3 double R in the first decade of the 21st Century.

 

[Redfish]

This nation has not been totally debt free since Andrew Jackson was President and that was only for a year or so both parties have done there fair share to create this mess and I see no end in sight as neither party or more important the American people have the will to do what is necessary to fix this mess.

I am seeing a subtle awakening of the american people to the corruption and incompetence in our government, the self-serving actions of the president and the congress.

The question is: is it too late? hopefully it isn't.

the debt has gone from 10T to 17T in 5 years under the incompetence of obama, yet the media refuses to address it and the congress refuses to make the hard decisions to deal with it.

We need some statesmen from both parties in DC. Who will step up?

The house voted to overturn Obamacare and will probably have more hearings about BenGotcha next month.

But continue to blame the media...

I said that the media refuses to address many of our problems because to do so would point out the failures of liberal policies. The media is not responsible for the mess, they did not create it. But they are responsible for not doing their job and reporting the truth and giving equal time to both sides of every issue.

 

[Redfish]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

So its not Bush's fault whatsoever huh? You honestly think Bush did not contribute to the "mess"?

Even still, you are not considering other contributing factors. To blame it all on the party in power is unrealistic.

I did not say that Bush was not responsible for what happened on his watch--he is.

Now, will you agree that obama is responsible for what happens on his watch?

The point of the thread is to show that dems have controlled the govt for most of the last 75 years--------so MOST of the blame is on them.

 

[Redfish]

What mess? The deficit? That is mostly on Republicans. As for the economy, most of that is out of the direct control of Congress. The economy does much of what it does on its own, good or bad.

the deficit is on republicans???? duh, 10T when obama took over, 17T today, likely 24T when he leaves. You cannot even logically blame the first 10T on republicans because it took the first 43 presidents to run that up. But the next 10T is clearly on obozo and the dems. they are the ones who refuse a balanced budget (hell, they refused to even pass a budget for 5 years).

you blame congress? well I already showed you which party has controlled congress for most of the last 75 years.

The first few years of Reagan's presidency, tax revenues equaled 19% of GDP despite the economy being in a bad recession. The first few years of Obama's presidency, tax revenues equaled 15% of GDP, and the reason revenue was so low is that taxes had been cut so much by Republicans. The fact is that the majority of the deficit under Obama is due to taxes being too low. If taxes had been this low under Reagan, the Reagan recovery would have taken much longer to take hold.

BS, tax revenues are low because the economy is not growing. People are not buying at past rates, businesses are not growing and hiring. A sluggish economy is why tax revenues are off, it has nothing to do with tax rates. But I am sure the govt will accept a voluntary tax payment from you if you think you aren't paying enough.

The other side of the equation is that the govt continues to increase spending, and increasing the national debt by around 1 trillion per year. How long do you think that can go on?

 

[Redfish]

The American people are to blame. We get the government we deserve.

we agree on that, we deserve what we vote for.

 

[Redfish]

Bush - from surplus to deficit.

After Bush - 5 years of unprecidented obstruction by the Republicans.

It is taking a toll even on a strong country like the USA.

there was no surplus under clinton, the national debt increased every year that he was in office. If there was a surplus, the debt would have been reduced or stayed the same.

the clinton budget surplus is a lie.

obstructing failed socialist policies is beneficial to the economy. if the republicans had not blocked some of the stupidity, the economy would be in much worse condition.

Is it that you don't know a budget is, or that you don't know what a surplus is?

There has been no budget bill passed by congress and signed by the president for the last 5 years under obama. We have been operating on CR's which provide temporary spending authorization to keep the govt running----a CR is not a budget bill.

Surplus=govt revenues exceed govt spending. If we had a net surplus in any year, the amount of debt would remain constant or go down---that did not happen during any of clinton's 8 years.

 

[Redfish]

So you're saying that all your rightwing pals who claimed that it was really the GOP Congress in the late nineties who balanced the budget and saw all that job creation,

those people are full of shit?

what I am saying is that democrats have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years, soooooooooo they are mostly responsible for the current mess. control = responsibility.

Your example of good things that happened during GOP control just verifies my point--thanks.

Wait a minute. First you said the Clinton economy wasn't good, then when you're reminded of the GOP Congress,

you say it was good, and furthermore you agree that the budget was balanced.

Then you say that the budget was never balanced.

You are suffering from daveman/Katzndogz/PoliticalChic grade stupidity. lololol

the dot com bubble created a false economic boom under clinton, then it collapsed because it was not based on anything, just paper speculation.

When Newt shut down the govt and he and clinton worked together to balance the budget for a couple of years, that was a good thing for the country. Balance does not equal surplus, they played some accounting games to make that claim, but they lied to us.

You really need to put your partisanship aside for a while and try dealing with facts.

 

[NYcarbineer]

there was no surplus under clinton, the national debt increased every year that he was in office. If there was a surplus, the debt would have been reduced or stayed the same.

the clinton budget surplus is a lie.

obstructing failed socialist policies is beneficial to the economy. if the republicans had not blocked some of the stupidity, the economy would be in much worse condition.

Is it that you don't know a budget is, or that you don't know what a surplus is?

There has been no budget bill passed by congress and signed by the president for the last 5 years under obama. We have been operating on CR's which provide temporary spending authorization to keep the govt running----a CR is not a budget bill.

Surplus=govt revenues exceed govt spending. If we had a net surplus in any year, the amount of debt would remain constant or go down---that did not happen during any of clinton's 8 years.

So when the chart below shows budget outlays less than revenues for 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001,

thus being budget surpluses, you claim those numbers are wrong?

Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

 

[Redfish]

Is it that you don't know a budget is, or that you don't know what a surplus is?

There has been no budget bill passed by congress and signed by the president for the last 5 years under obama. We have been operating on CR's which provide temporary spending authorization to keep the govt running----a CR is not a budget bill.

Surplus=govt revenues exceed govt spending. If we had a net surplus in any year, the amount of debt would remain constant or go down---that did not happen during any of clinton's 8 years.

So when the chart below shows budget outlays less than revenues for 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001,

thus being budget surpluses, you claim those numbers are wrong?

Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

then why did the debt go up during those years? If we had a surplus, why did we have to borrow money to make ends meet?

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1950 - 1999

 

[Redfish]

NY carbon

please refer back to the OP. Do you understand the meaning of the word "mainly" ?

I never claimed that republicans were not also responsible, I merely was pointing out that dems have had control for a majority of the time-----so logically they are "mainly" responsible.

 

[candycorn]

I am seeing a subtle awakening of the american people to the corruption and incompetence in our government, the self-serving actions of the president and the congress.

The question is: is it too late? hopefully it isn't.

the debt has gone from 10T to 17T in 5 years under the incompetence of obama, yet the media refuses to address it and the congress refuses to make the hard decisions to deal with it.

We need some statesmen from both parties in DC. Who will step up?

The house voted to overturn Obamacare and will probably have more hearings about BenGotcha next month.

But continue to blame the media...

I said that the media refuses to address many of our problems because to do so would point out the failures of liberal policies. The media is not responsible for the mess, they did not create it. But they are responsible for not doing their job and reporting the truth and giving equal time to both sides of every issue.

Do you think you report the truth? It would seem to me that the billions upon billions squandered looking for WMDs that didn't exist--hardly a "liberal policy" would be the most obnoxious waste of money in recent memory or Bush's $700B bail out of banks right before he left office would be a sore spot too.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So who gets the blame for the disaster of Iraq, according to that chart?