Which party is mainly responsible for the mess?

[LoneLaugher]

go away laugher, you are on ignore

Wait! Wait! I was just going to ask you if you knew what is meant by the term "logical fallacy".

 

[blackhawk]

Well, in my humble opinion, neither are responsible and both are responsible. We have allowed both parties to become what they have become. Our liberty is under fire from these parties...and we have given up our prosperity by exercising our right to vote.....a right given to us by god almighty! Trying to lay blame on one party over the other is pointless. They are exactly the same. The problem is that tens of millions of voters are too stupid to realize it. They are being played by both sides.......and the result is a veritable monarchy in DC.

The wound has been festering for decades and the only hope we have is to declare both parties to blame and then sit here and whine like bitches. That is certain to work.

Your solution is what?

 

[NightFox]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

IMHO Both are responsible and neither are responsible, both parties are and have been what we the people have allowed them to become, which are essentially the weapons we have turned on our own liberty and our own prosperity, arguing about which one of them is "more responsible" is like arguing about which is a more painful way to go, a bullet to the head from a .38 or a bullet to the head from a .45.

The Republic we inherited is bleeding to death and the treatment offered by both parties is slow motion euthanasia.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Walt Kelly

true to a point, but what I was trying to show is that the dems and their policies have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years. yes, the GOP shares some of the blame because many of them are rinos and have given up their principles in exchange for money and power.

OIC, I think this would be a useful exercise IF policies were consistent across the timeline you are using to measure the results with, but they are not, the policies, ideology, methods and attitudes have changed dramatically for both parties during that 75 year time period, for example just think about how the 1960's altered the Democratic Party, my Grandfather was a staunch Democrat who wouldn't even recognize (or have anything to do with) the Democratic Party of today.

what we really need is term limits for congress with an annual salary for congress at the average income of american citizens.

all lobbying should be banned, congressional staffing should be cut by 50%, being in congress should not be a lifetime career where you can become a multi millionaire at the public expense.

I think your ideas are well founded but they also run into some individual liberty problems, for example banning all lobbying would clearly violate the first amendment protections allowing citizens to petition their government for redress of the grievances, no? Term limits for congress and annual salary tied to average income is excellent but you'll need a constitutional amendment to enact it (a low probability given that either congress would have to vote contrary to their own personal interests or you'd need to convene a convention).

I applaud your willingness to think outside the box but personally I believe the problems are systemic and so deeply rooted that trimming around the edges is unlikely to yield the positive changes required to save the Republic.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Well, in my humble opinion, neither are responsible and both are responsible. We have allowed both parties to become what they have become. Our liberty is under fire from these parties...and we have given up our prosperity by exercising our right to vote.....a right given to us by god almighty! Trying to lay blame on one party over the other is pointless. They are exactly the same. The problem is that tens of millions of voters are too stupid to realize it. They are being played by both sides.......and the result is a veritable monarchy in DC.

The wound has been festering for decades and the only hope we have is to declare both parties to blame and then sit here and whine like bitches. That is certain to work.

Your solution is what?

What, you don't understand what I said?

 

[blackhawk]

Well, in my humble opinion, neither are responsible and both are responsible. We have allowed both parties to become what they have become. Our liberty is under fire from these parties...and we have given up our prosperity by exercising our right to vote.....a right given to us by god almighty! Trying to lay blame on one party over the other is pointless. They are exactly the same. The problem is that tens of millions of voters are too stupid to realize it. They are being played by both sides.......and the result is a veritable monarchy in DC.

The wound has been festering for decades and the only hope we have is to declare both parties to blame and then sit here and whine like bitches. That is certain to work.

Your solution is what?

What, you don't understand what I said?

You said nothing of consequence.

 

[percysunshine]

Whigs.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Your solution is what?

What, you don't understand what I said?

You said nothing of consequence.

Congratulations. You figured that out all by yourself? Did you also get my point? I wonder.....

 

[auditor0007]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

What mess? The deficit? That is mostly on Republicans. As for the economy, most of that is out of the direct control of Congress. The economy does much of what it does on its own, good or bad.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...-his-surplus-creating-budget.html#post7638982

Uhm, Clinton didn't pass anything and secondly, there was no surplus.

Are you this dumb in real life?

 

[Redfish]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

What mess? The deficit? That is mostly on Republicans. As for the economy, most of that is out of the direct control of Congress. The economy does much of what it does on its own, good or bad.

the deficit is on republicans???? duh, 10T when obama took over, 17T today, likely 24T when he leaves. You cannot even logically blame the first 10T on republicans because it took the first 43 presidents to run that up. But the next 10T is clearly on obozo and the dems. they are the ones who refuse a balanced budget (hell, they refused to even pass a budget for 5 years).

you blame congress? well I already showed you which party has controlled congress for most of the last 75 years.

 

[Vox]

dems, it was always known. that's why they try so hard to deflect the issue

 

[LoneLaugher]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

What mess? The deficit? That is mostly on Republicans. As for the economy, most of that is out of the direct control of Congress. The economy does much of what it does on its own, good or bad.

the deficit is on republicans???? duh, 10T when obama took over, 17T today, likely 24T when he leaves. You cannot even logically blame the first 10T on republicans because it took the first 43 presidents to run that up. But the next 10T is clearly on obozo and the dems. they are the ones who refuse a balanced budget (hell, they refused to even pass a budget for 5 years).

you blame congress? well I already showed you which party has controlled congress for most of the last 75 years.

Purse strings. Who has them?

 

[Contumacious]

Look at this chart. Look at the congressional control since FDR. Then ask yourself, which party created the mess in our government?

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

The US Supreme Court is mainly responsible for creating the mess.

In the 1860's Lincoln created paper notes denominated in dollars. The scumbags in the Supreme Court ruled that they were Constitutional because they were redeemable in gold or silver.

In 1935 the stupid fucks reversed themselves and ruled that federal notes were Constitutional even though they were NOT redeemable in gold or silver .

But FDR did threaten to abolish SCOTUS and after that it has been reduced to a cabinet level executive agency.

BOTH parties have been taking advantage of the chaos and spending money like there is no tomorrow.

.

 

[speedy]

Bush - from surplus to deficit.

After Bush - 5 years of unprecidented obstruction by the Republicans.

It is taking a toll even on a strong country like the USA.

 

[regent]

The standard pattern in the US is the Republicans get into office promising liberty. The liberty is for corporations to ransack the nation. With the economy dying and a major recession/depression coming on the Democrats are elected to straighten out the mess. With the mess somewhat cleared the Republicans take office promising liberty and the pattern repeats. We are now approaching the Republicans promising liberty.

 

[Redfish]

Bush - from surplus to deficit.

After Bush - 5 years of unprecidented obstruction by the Republicans.

It is taking a toll even on a strong country like the USA.

there was no surplus under clinton, the national debt increased every year that he was in office. If there was a surplus, the debt would have been reduced or stayed the same.

the clinton budget surplus is a lie.

obstructing failed socialist policies is beneficial to the economy. if the republicans had not blocked some of the stupidity, the economy would be in much worse condition.

 

[Redfish]

the standard pattern in the us is the republicans get into office promising liberty. The liberty is for corporations to ransack the nation. With the economy dying and a major recession/depression coming on the democrats are elected to straighten out the mess. With the mess somewhat cleared the republicans take office promising liberty and the pattern repeats. We are now approaching the republicans promising liberty.

well folks, the above post is candidate #2 for the dumb post of the day award. Come on libs, you can do better, lets make this a real competition. Dumb it up as only you can do.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This message is hidden because LoneLaugher is on your ignore list.

this is what I see every time you post. Go away, no one is reading your crap.

You can't handle what I have to say.......and feel the need to advertise this fact. You are too cool for school.

 

[Mad Scientist]

"I don't wanna' admit that my favorite Political Team created a mess because then I'd have to also admit I made a mistake and then I'd have to fix it. That would REALLY limit the time I spend watching Sports and Gossiping about Celebrities.

Isn't putting a Ribbon on my Car, wearing a Pink shirt and walking in circles or chanting USA! USA! good enough?"

- Typical Braindead American

 

[regent]

the standard pattern in the us is the republicans get into office promising liberty. The liberty is for corporations to ransack the nation. With the economy dying and a major recession/depression coming on the democrats are elected to straighten out the mess. With the mess somewhat cleared the republicans take office promising liberty and the pattern repeats. We are now approaching the republicans promising liberty.

well folks, the above post is candidate #2 for the dumb post of the day award. Come on libs, you can do better, lets make this a real competition. Dumb it up as only you can do.

When they attack the poster instead of the post you know you hit a tender spot.

When the Great Depression hit after the Republicans botched up the economy who did the people elect, a Democrat. When the economy was back and running the people elected Reagan starting the whole thing again and then Bush and the economy was on crutches again, and now the Democrat is in office, his job get some prosperity back. Same old pattern.