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Are you disputing Drifter and Biss, you need to get your stories straight.
Athanasius68, post: 16523035Yes--it does give preference to religious minorities in those seven countries. Because they are being persecuted for religious reasons in those seven countries. Religious persecution is in fact grounds for claiming refugee status. Why do you have an issue with that?
It can't give preference to any religion. It could give preference to those being persecuted Muslim or Christian or whatever. trump's EO didn't say that because it would equally and fairly let Muslims in by order of application.
DigitalDrifter, post: 16521715It doesn't matter what he has SAID. The facts of the matter is that the ban as written includes all citizens regardless of religion.
Boss, post: 16522980And it's not really a ban. It's a temporary hold, really just an extension of an automatic hold on ALL visas from abroad. But let's not let facts interfere with feelings.
Washington vs Trumpty Dumpty.
Whatever you want to call it, regardless of being temporary, it would set a precedent for discriminating against Muslims. Because it says minority religions will be given preference on reviewing visas..
DigitalDrifter, post: 16521715It doesn't matter what he has SAID. The facts of the matter is that the ban as written includes all citizens regardless of religion.
It matters what Trump and Giulliani said about banning Muslims. I just finished listening to the 9th circuit of Apeals. Their statements were brought up several times by the judges and it is not looking good for Der Drumphf
The ban gives preference to minority religions in all seven countries. All the countries are majority Muslim. That is not regardless of religion it is favoring non-Muslims. Hence a Muslim ban.
It says no such thing. You are confusing the two.
In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. ,
.... to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
Now do I believe the 9th Circus will rule for Trump ? Fuck no, but that still doesn't mean it's a Muslim ban when you include ALL citizens.
....,on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
How absurd to suggest otherwise. To continue your German themed posts, you would claim that a German Jew in 1943 could have no greater claim of persecution and refugee status to the USA than a non Jewish German.
. It could give preference to those being persecuted Muslim or Christian or whatever.
provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
Athanasius68, post: 16523367It says no such thing. You are confusing the two.
stop lying. I have confused nothing. Read what the order says:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16507740In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. ,
When that freeze ends the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to make changes, to the extent permitted by law...
.... to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
We all know what minority religion in those countries will be prioritized.
provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
Athanasius68, post: 16523367It says no such thing. You are confusing the two.
stop lying. I have confused nothing. Read what the order says:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16507740In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. ,
When that freeze ends the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to make changes, to the extent permitted by law...
.... to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
We all know what minority religion in those countries will be prioritized.
provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
Athanasius68, post: 16523367It says no such thing. You are confusing the two.
stop lying. I have confused nothing. Read what the order says:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16507740In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. ,
When that freeze ends the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to make changes, to the extent permitted by law...
.... to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
We all know what minority religion in those countries will be prioritized.
provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
Athanasius68, post: 16523367It says no such thing. You are confusing the two.
stop lying. I have confused nothing. Read what the order says:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16507740In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. ,
When that freeze ends the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to make changes, to the extent permitted by law...
.... to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
We all know what minority religion in those countries will be prioritized.
provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
Athanasius68, post: 16523367It says no such thing. You are confusing the two.
stop lying. I have confused nothing. Read what the order says:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16507740In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. ,
When that freeze ends the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to make changes, to the extent permitted by law...
.... to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
We all know what minority religion in those countries will be prioritized.
How absurd to suggest otherwise. To continue your German themed posts, you would claim that a German Jew in 1943 could have no greater claim of persecution and refugee status to the USA than a non Jewish German.
Are you saying no Germans, non/jews. were persecuted during WWII?
The constitutional basis would be to allow entry to the US on a basis of physical need and freedom from prosecution. Not based upon being a minority religion.
You are such an illiterate ignorant fool. Here is what I wrote:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16523231
. It could give preference to those being persecuted Muslim or Christian or whatever.
Are all Trumpees this unable to comprehend basic language?
How absurd to suggest otherwise. To continue your German themed posts, you would claim that a German Jew in 1943 could have no greater claim of persecution and refugee status to the USA than a non Jewish German.
Are you saying no Germans, non/jews. were persecuted during WWII?
The constitutional basis would be to allow entry to the US on a basis of physical need and freedom from prosecution. Not based upon being a minority religion.
You are such an illiterate ignorant fool. Here is what I wrote:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16523231
. It could give preference to those being persecuted Muslim or Christian or whatever.
Are all Trumpees this unable to comprehend basic language?
provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
Athanasius68, post: 16523367It says no such thing. You are confusing the two.
stop lying. I have confused nothing. Read what the order says:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16507740In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. ,
When that freeze ends the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to make changes, to the extent permitted by law...
.... to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
We all know what minority religion in those countries will be prioritized.
How absurd to suggest otherwise. To continue your German themed posts, you would claim that a German Jew in 1943 could have no greater claim of persecution and refugee status to the USA than a non Jewish German.
Are you saying no Germans, non/jews. were persecuted during WWII?
The constitutional basis would be to allow entry to the US on a basis of physical need and freedom from prosecution. Not based upon being a minority religion.
You are such an illiterate ignorant fool. Here is what I wrote:
NotfooledbyW, post: 16523231
. It could give preference to those being persecuted Muslim or Christian or whatever.
Are all Trumpees this unable to comprehend basic language?
The constitutional basis would be to allow entry to the US on a basis of physical need and freedom from prosecution. Not based upon being a minority religion.
?
Are you disputing Drifter and Biss, you need to get your stories straight.
Athanasius68, post: 16523035Yes--it does give preference to religious minorities in those seven countries. Because they are being persecuted for religious reasons in those seven countries. Religious persecution is in fact grounds for claiming refugee status. Why do you have an issue with that?
It can't give preference to any religion. It could give preference to those being persecuted Muslim or Christian or whatever. trump's EO didn't say that because it would equally and fairly let Muslims in by order of application.
Trump wanted a Muslim ban not written as a Muslim ban but he failed. Because he is an idiot trying to use code words for anti/Muslum bigot base.
It can't give preference to any religion. It could give preference to those being persecuted Muslim or Christian or whatever. trump's EO didn't say that because it would equally and fairly let Muslims in by order of application.
DigitalDrifter, post: 16523561Now do I believe the 9th Circus will rule for Trump ? Fuck no, but that still doesn't mean it's a Muslim ban when you include ALL citizens.
You are an illiterate moron. You have been advised of this before.
The order says to prioritize.....
NotfooledbyW, post: 16507740....,on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.
What religion in those seven predominately Muslim nations do you think will be prioritized.
Nevertheless, the ban is for ALL citizens of those seven countries.
Nevertheless, the ban is for ALL citizens of those seven countries.
The ban started out for all citizens but it ends with direct discrimination against Muslims by giveing preferential treatment for minority religions.
It in the EO IDIOT. Read it.
he immediate practical matter is that Christians are being targeted because they are in a minority. That is the basis of the EO
Nevertheless, the ban is for ALL citizens of those seven countries.
The ban started out for all citizens but it ends with direct discrimination against Muslims by giveing preferential treatment for minority religions.
It in the EO IDIOT. Read it.
Idiot,
Once the ban is over, the persecuted MINORITY religions will be given preference. Until then, the ban is for ALL citizens. Once again, you guys are on the wrong side.
Once the ban is over, the persecuted MINORITY religions will be given preference.
DigitalDrifter, post: 16525068Once the ban is over, the persecuted MINORITY religions will be given preference.
That is religious discrimination. It defies the Establishnent Clause in the Constitution.
The Feds have to look at all persecuted persons equally and fairly. That is not what the Muslim ban says. There is no equal protection under the law.
The establishment clause doesn't apply to a Syrian sitting in an airport in Syria. Nor does it apply to his wife sitting next to him who has probably had her clitoris removed so she doesn't experience sexual gratification. It's utter stupidity that people outside our country, who aren't even on a path to become citizens, have any kind of constitutional right.
