White house vows emergency stay of judicial order thwarting Presidents immigration order

[danielpalos]

When is the right wing, going to end the general Warfare?

Probably after socialists have Darwinized themselves out of existence.

then, stop whining about taxes and refugees; right wingers.

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i thought Only socialists don't like to compete?

What does that have to do with their Darwinian ticking clock?

why worry; true Socialists may merit, a Commune of Heaven.

 

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Probably after socialists have Darwinized themselves out of existence.

then, stop whining about taxes and refugees; right wingers.

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i thought Only socialists don't like to compete?

What does that have to do with their Darwinian ticking clock?

why worry; true Socialists may merit, a Commune of Heaven.

I don't worry. They deserve their Darwinian fate.

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[danielpalos]

then, stop whining about taxes and refugees; right wingers.

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i thought Only socialists don't like to compete?

What does that have to do with their Darwinian ticking clock?

why worry; true Socialists may merit, a Commune of Heaven.

I don't worry. They deserve their Darwinian fate.

tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick..

Why be so, insecure without any competition?

 

[EverCurious]

Suggested reading from "Proposed Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2015" as it extensively discusses the priority ratings in I. Overview of U.S. Refugee Policy section. Here is the Priority 2 section with /existing/ religiously persecuted groups emphasized. This is a very good look at what was going on with refugees from foreign nations and has sections discussing the religious freedoms (and persecutions) found in the various nations.

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Priority 2 – Group Referrals

Priority 2 (P-2) includes specific groups (within certain nationalities, clans or ethnic groups, sometimes in specified locations) identified by the Department of State in consultation with DHS/USCIS, NGOs, UNHCR, and other experts as being in need of resettlement. Some Priority 2 groups are processed in their country of origin. The process of identifying the group and its characteristics includes consideration of whether the group is of special humanitarian concern to the United States and whether members of the group will likely be able to qualify for admission as refugees under U.S. law. Groups may be designated as Priority 2 during the course of the year as circumstances dictate, and the need for resettlement arises. PRM plays the coordinating role for all group referrals to the USRAP.

There are two distinct models of Priority 2 access to the program: open access and predefined group access, normally upon the recommendation of UNHCR. Under both models, Priority 2 designations are made based on shared characteristics that define the group. In general, the possession of these characteristics is the reason the group has been persecuted in the past or faces persecution in the future.

The open-access model for Priority 2 group referrals allows individuals to seek access to the program on the basis of meeting designated criteria. To establish an open-access Priority 2 group, PRM, in consultation with DHS/USCIS, and (as appropriate) with UNHCR and others, defines the specific criteria for access. Once the designation is in place, applicants may approach the program at any of the processing locations specified as available for the group to begin the application process. Applicants must demonstrate that they meet specified criteria to establish eligibility for access.

The open-access model has functioned well in the in-country programs, including the long-standing programs in Eurasia and the Baltics, and in Cuba. It was also used successfully for Vietnamese for nearly thirty years (1980-2009), Bosnian refugees during the 1990s, and is now in use for Iranian religious minorities and Iraqis with links to the United States.

The RSCs responsible for handling open-access Priority 2 applications, working under the direction of PRM, make a preliminary determination as to whether the applicants qualify for access and should be presented to DHS/USCIS for interview. Applicants who clearly do not meet the access requirements are “screened out” prior to DHS/USCIS interview.


In contrast to an open-access group, a predefined group designation is normally based on a UNHCR recommendation that lays out eligibility criteria that should apply to individuals in a specific location. Once PRM, in consultation with DHS/USCIS has established the access eligibility criteria for the group, the referring entity (usually UNHCR) provides the bio data of eligible refugee applicants for processing. This type of group referral is advantageous in situations in which the intensive labor required to generate individual referrals would be impracticable, potentially harmful to applicants due to delays, or counterproductive. Often, predefined groups are composed of persons with similar persecution claims. The predefined group referral process saves steps and can conserve scarce resources, particularly for UNHCR. In recent years, predefined groups have included certain Burmese in Thailand, certain Bhutanese in Nepal, and certain Congolese in Rwanda. Predefined group referrals with clear, well-defined eligibility criteria and several methods for cross-checking group membership can serve as a fraud deterrent as well, preventing non-group members from gaining access to the USRAP by falsely claiming group membership. It can also speed the resettlement process in cases where immediate protection concerns are present.

FY 2015 Priority 2 Designations

In-country processing programs

The following ongoing programs that process individuals still in their country of origin under Priority 2 group designations will continue in FY 2015:

Eurasia and the Baltics

This Priority 2 designation applies to Jews, Evangelical Christians, and Ukrainian Catholic and Orthodox religious adherents identified in the Lautenberg Amendment, Public Law No. 101-167, § 599D, 103 Stat. 1261 (1989) (codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1157) as amended (“Lautenberg Amendment”), with close family in the United States. With annual renewal of the Lautenberg Amendment, these individuals are considered under a reduced evidentiary standard for establishing a well-founded fear of persecution.

Cuba

Included in this Priority 2 program are human rights activists, members of persecuted religious minorities, former political prisoners, forced-labor conscripts, and persons deprived of their professional credentials or subjected to other disproportionately harsh or discriminatory treatment resulting from their perceived or actual political or religious beliefs.

Iraqis Associated with the United States

Under various Priority 2 designations, including those set forth in the Refugee Crisis in Iraq Act, employees of the U.S. Government, a U.S. government-funded contractor or grantee, U.S. media or U.S. NGOs working in Iraq, and certain family members of such employees, as well as beneficiaries of approved I-130 (immigrant visa) petitions, are eligible for refugee processing in Iraq.

The following planned program that would process individuals still in their country of origin under a Priority 2 group designation may be launched in FY 2015:

Minors in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala

Under this planned new P-2 program, certain lawfully present qualifying relatives in the United States could request access to a refugee interview for an unmarried child under 21 in his/her country of origin.

Groups of Humanitarian Concern outside the Country of Origin

The following Priority 2 groups are already designated and, in most cases, undergoing processing with significant arrivals anticipated during FY 2014. (Additional Priority 2 groups may be designated over the course of the year.)

Ethnic Minorities and others from Burma in camps in Thailand

Under this existing Priority 2 designation, individuals who have fled Burma, are registered in nine refugee camps along the Thai/Burma border, are identified by UNHCR as in need of resettlement, and expressed interest prior to January 2014 (depending on the location), are eligible for processing.

Ethnic Minorities from Burma in Malaysia

Under this Priority 2 designation, ethnic minorities from Burma who are recognized by UNHCR as refugees in Malaysia and identified as being in need of resettlement are eligible for processing.

Bhutanese in Nepal

Under this existing Priority 2 designation, Bhutanese refugees registered by UNHCR in camps in Nepal, identified as in need of resettlement, and expressed interest prior to June 30, 2014, are eligible for processing.

Iranian Religious Minorities

Under this Priority 2 designation, Iranian members of certain religious minorities are eligible for processing and are considered under a reduced evidentiary standard for establishing a well-founded fear of persecution, pursuant to annual renewal of the Lautenberg Amendment as amended in 2004 by Sec. 213 of Title II, Division E, of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2004, P.L. 108-199, 118 Stat. 3 (“the Specter Amendment”).

Iraqis Associated with the United States

Under various Priority 2 designations, including those set forth in the Refugee Crisis in Iraq Act, employees of the U.S. government, a U.S. government-funded contractor or grantee, U.S. media or U.S. NGOs working in Iraq, and certain family members of such employees, as well as beneficiaries of approved I-130 (immigrant visa) petitions, are eligible for refugee processing. This program is operating in Jordan and Egypt, in addition to the in-country program in Iraq.

Congolese in Rwanda

Under this existing Priority 2 designation, certain Congolese refugees in Rwanda who were verifiably registered in 1997 and identified as in need of resettlement are eligible for processing.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It's not about visas or who gets them. The Constitution does NOT forbid allowing persons in based on religion.

It certainly does. That is why Trump needed Rudy to try to make a Muslim ban appear constitutional but they failed. Why is explained here:

"And there’s more: In addition to violating the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, Trump’s order also appears to violate two other sources of religious protection, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment and a statute passed by Congress called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). The Establishment Clause prohibits policies that favor one religion over another. As Justice David Souter made clear in Kiryas Joel v. Grumet, it requires that “government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion.” Trump’s own words provide the evidence that the immigration order contravenes this part of the Constitution. On Friday, the same day he signed the new policy, Trump taped an interview with David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network. Brody asked the president, “the refugee changes you’re looking to make, as it relates to persecuted Christians, do you see them as kind of a priority here?” Trump responded, “Yes,” later suggesting that Christian Syrians would receive special treatment under the ban. Although the specifics of that special treatment are not yet clear, Trump’s response to Brody indicates an intent to enact the kind of religious favoritism banned by the Establishment Clause.

Trump’s statements are also reflected in the executive order, which says that the secretary of state should “prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.” In other words, reading only slightly between the lines, given that the ban affects Muslim majority countries, we should grant priority to Christian refugees. This is exactly the kind of prioritizing of a particular religion that is prohibited by the Establishment Clause."

Why Trump’s Immigration Rules Are Unconstitutional

You idiots, you have to take all persecuted people from those war torn countries or non at all.

Trump world is not reality and lawfully based.

 

[EverCurious]

You continue to ignore and deny that religious persecution is a valid reason for prioritizing refugees and that it is something we have been doing for /years/.

 

[EverCurious]

Same vein as my last documentary posting "Proposed Refugee Admissions for 2016" posted relative parts to Priority 2 classifications based on religion: Proposed Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2016

FY 2016 Priority 2 Designations

In-country processing programs

The following ongoing programs that process individuals still in their country of origin under Priority 2 group designations will continue in FY 2016, all of which are “open-access” type P-2s:

Eurasia and the Baltics

This Priority 2 designation applies to Jews, Evangelical Christians, and Ukrainian Catholic and Orthodox religious adherents identified in the Lautenberg Amendment, Public Law No. 101-167, § 599D, 103 Stat. 1261 (1989) (codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1157) as amended (“Lautenberg Amendment”), with close family in the United States. With annual renewal of the Lautenberg Amendment, these individuals are considered under a reduced evidentiary standard for establishing a well-founded fear of persecution.

Cuba

Included in this Priority 2 program are human rights activists, members of persecuted religious minorities, former political prisoners, forced-labor conscripts, and persons deprived of their professional credentials or subjected to other disproportionately harsh or discriminatory treatment resulting from their perceived or actual political or religious beliefs.

[...]

Open Access Model P-2s:

Iranian Religious Minorities

Under this Priority 2 designation, Iranian members of certain religious minorities are eligible for processing and are considered under a reduced evidentiary standard for establishing a well-founded fear of persecution, pursuant to annual renewal of the Lautenberg Amendment as amended in 2004 by Sec. 213 of Title II, Division E, of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2004, P.L. 108-199, 118 Stat. 3 (“the Specter Amendment”).

 

[EverCurious]

You'll find the same religious classifications as above in Proposed Refugee Admissions for 2013 - https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/198157.pdf and Proposed Refugee Admissions for 2012 - https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/181378.pdf

The bottom line is you idiots are being lied to, there is a long-standing policy of offering priority status to religiously persecuted groups.

 

[danielpalos]

You continue to ignore and deny that religious persecution is a valid reason for prioritizing refugees and that it is something we have been doing for /years/.

usually, it is in favor of civil rights.

 

[EverCurious]

Freedom from religious persecution is considered a human rights violation, that's why they get priority refugee consideration.


Basically Trump is going to add a bunch of countries that give P2 status to religiously persecuted minorities. Nothing new at all but for those who don't know what the government has been doing for /years/

 

[danielpalos]

Freedom from religious persecution is considered a human rights violation, that's why they get priority refugee consideration.


Basically Trump is going to add a bunch of countries that give P2 status to religiously persecuted minorities. Nothing new at all but for those who don't know what the government has been doing for /years/

it usually, doesn't include a ban.

 

[EverCurious]

Until we fix vetting, a temp ban is logical. Our vetting system is a disaster, also been talked about for years and years by all sides.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

EverCurious, post: 16530716

You continue to ignore and deny that religious persecution is a valid reason for prioritizing refugees and that it is something we have been doing for /years/.

I have said that I agree with what you are saying. There is no doubt about it. You are a fucking genius.

Now concern yourself with what Trump's EO Instructs State Department agents to do. They were not tasked with prioritizing refugees on a basis of religious persecution. That's because Sryrian etc Muslims are being persecuted by Assad and ISIS in more numbers than Christians. Trump's public statement said his intent was to prioritize Christians. That is unconstitutional.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

EverCurious, post: 16530918

temp ban is logical. Our vetting system is a disaster, also been talked about for years and years by all sides.

Trump says everything is a disaster. He is the true needless disaster.

You have to take Trump's word that the in place vetting does not work. Trump is a liar, though.

His lawyers could not disclose to four judges as of yet that the government has a rational reason for the ban,

He calls for a Muslim ban weighs heavy on the court. He has shown to seek to US the Executive Branvh

 

[EverCurious]

He's not the only one in our government that have serious concerns about our vetting system son. Your media just doesn't tell you about it. Most of it's been discussed many times in Congress and Judicial and various Subcommittees since before Trump was even the nominee, much less the President.

As to the other, it's not unconstitutional, in fact, I've provided CLEAR evidence that religions have been prioritized by faith in our Refugee acceptance since 2012, it has been requested through various bills by Democrats and Republican's alike in the House and Senate (which I also posted.) It's not my fault you refuse to read the evidence.

 

[EverCurious]

Religious leaders across the planet and many faiths have been speaking to every nation regarding refugees fleeing religious persecution and begging for help. Christian's have been facing genocide in the ME since the rise of ISIS. MANY nations have expressed that they need priority refugee status. Canada did it in 2014 & 2015, Australia and France in 2015.

The UN (aka those who do most of the refugee prioritizing) prioritizes gay people fleeing the ME - because it only makes sense that they are in peril. THAT policy is not considered to be /discrimination/ against straight people.

Why should we consider that prioritizing folks who are being wiped out based on their religious beliefs as discrimination against other religions?

Same human rights argument, same "degree of peril" argument - aka extreme threat to their life. I don't really see any difference.

 

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i thought Only socialists don't like to compete?

What does that have to do with their Darwinian ticking clock?

why worry; true Socialists may merit, a Commune of Heaven.

I don't worry. They deserve their Darwinian fate.

tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick..

Why be so, insecure without any competition?

Exactly. Socialists aren't any competition.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

EverCurious, post: 16531644

Why should we consider that prioritizing folks who are being wiped out based on their religious beliefs as discrimination against other religions?

Trump is not prioritizing all folks who are being wiped out based on their religious beliefs in seven majority Muslim countries. He has shown his intent to prioritize Only minority religions there (and has explained those will be Christians) which is effectively a Muslim ban going forward.

Answer my point. Quit posting your argument and then pretend everyone else is arguing against you.

 

[EverCurious]

Great, and our last four years of immigration plans very /clearly/ note that we'll prioritize based on religion. I gave /many/ examples of us having set immigration and refugee status on the basis of religion.

"(B) Aliens who are (or were) nationals of an independent state of the former Soviet Union or of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania and who are current members of, and demonstrate public, active, and continuous participation (or attempted participation) in the religious activities of, the Ukrainian Catholic Church or the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).


Eurasia and the Baltics

This Priority 2 designation applies to Jews, Evangelical Christians, and Ukrainian Catholic and Orthodox religious adherents identified in the Lautenberg Amendment, Public Law No. 101-167, § 599D, 103 Stat. 1261 (1989) (codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1157) as amended (“Lautenberg Amendment”), with close family in the United States. With annual renewal of the Lautenberg Amendment, these individuals are considered under a reduced evidentiary standard for establishing a well-founded fear of persecution.

Iranian Religious Minorities

Under this Priority 2 designation, Iranian members of certain religious minorities are eligible for processing and are considered under a reduced evidentiary standard for establishing a well-founded fear of persecution, pursuant to annual renewal of the Lautenberg Amendment as amended in 2004 by Sec. 213 of Title II, Division E, of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2004, P.L. 108-199, 118 Stat. 3 (“the Specter Amendment”).

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Great, and our last four years of immigration plans very /clearly/ note that we'll prioritize based on religion.

We have not prioritized one religion when several religions are being persecuted.

We have prioritized against religious persecuting governments but not favoring on persecuted religion over another.

In Syria early in the civil war Christians were protected and supportive of the Assad regine who was persecuting Muslins.

Now Trump is effectively banning persecuted Muslims solely to please Christian Muslim haters in his base.