White house vows emergency stay of judicial order thwarting Presidents immigration order

[EverCurious]

Again! Ya'll are soooo clueless... It's just sad. You don't even /know/ how badly your media lies to you. WAKE UP!

First from the EO:

(e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States. - EXECUTIVE ORDER: PROTECTING THE NATION FROM FOREIGN TERRORIST ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES

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Here's a bill from a democrat, California, back in March 2015, wanting to give a higher priority for those being religiously persecuted (aka priority 2 - 3 is those with families, 1 is individuals who's lives are in imminent danger). Introduced by Representative Vargas (D-CA), this bill would make the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) more accessible to individuals in or from Iraq and Syria, including individuals facing persecution by ISIS based on gender, religion or ethnicity, by allowing them direct access to the refugee admissions process.

In fact, the fucking bill itself is named "Protecting Religious Minorities Persecuted by ISIS Act of 2015" :

"SEC. 3. United States refugee program processing priorities.

(a) In general.—Refugees of special humanitarian concern eligible for Priority 2 processing under the refugee resettlement priority system who may apply directly to the United States Refugee Admissions Program shall include aliens who are or were nationals or residents of Iraq or Syria who have been persecuted or have a credible fear of being persecuted by the group commonly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (or any successor name), or by a similar group, based on—

(1) the alien’s membership in a minority group, including a religious or ethnic minority group;

(2) the alien’s gender; or

(3) other characteristics identified by the Secretary of State, or the designee of the Secretary. "

- Text - H.R.1568 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Protecting Religious Minorities Persecuted by ISIS Act of 2015

 

[Boss]

No foreign national has a constitutional right to enter the USA.

But when our immigration policy is to issue visas for visitation and work and for refugee situations, the Constitution forbids allowing persons in based upon religion.

Trump's EO is written to show minority religion entrance in those seven majority Muslim countries, therefore it viojates the establishment clause plain and simple.

They can be based upon ability to verify identity documents and deny anyone that fails to provide them. But they can't put Christians "only" or Christians "first" on the door and expect to be constitutional.

Trump's EO declares that is exactly what they intend to do.

You need to go read (or re-read) the EO. It has nothing to do with issuing the visas. It's not about visas or who gets them. The Constitution does NOT forbid allowing persons in based on religion. That is a statutory law passed by Congress who has Constitutional authority to set parameters for immigration and naturalization. Congress can do that on any basis they see fit. The current law prohibits discrimination based on religion but it's not because of any "Constitutional right" the alien has. However... this is only for obtaining a visa... not for actual travel and entry. Two entirely different things.

The president has plenary power granted by Congress to make determinations on any alien or class of aliens for ANY reason he deems necessary, and there is no provision for oversight. This is the same statutory type law as the one you are citing about visas.

The Left is really displaying their profound ignorance of our Constitution on this. 1) You don't know who or how the Constitution applies 2) You don't seem to comprehend the difference between the Constitution and a statutory law passed by congress. 3) You don't seem to know what "separation of powers" means. I hope this entire episode will serve to educate some of you, but I have my doubts... I think you are probably too retarded to understand it. You will all find it easier to adopt whatever wild ass excuse is given for why this turd doesn't flush. Trump paid off the judges... The courts are stacked in favor of the right... Merrick Garland was intentionally kept off the court so they could ram this unconstitutional EO through! You'll have a million excuses for why this fails and it's GOING to fail. Mark my words!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

EverCurious, post: 16528936

WAKE UP!

You missed the part of the EO that is the problem:

" (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization."

provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.

The ISIS Act you cited was for all religions persecuted by ISIS. It did not prioritize Christians as Trump's EO does.

 

[EverCurious]

EverCurious, post: 16528936

WAKE UP!

You missed the part of the EO that is the problem:

" (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization."

provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.

The ISIS Act you cited was for all religions persecuted by ISIS. It did not prioritize Christians as Trump's EO does.

Wow, you're a lying piece of shit, had to edit my post to push your lie. Unlike you, I included a link to the EO. It doesn't change the fact that a Democrat in 2015 put a bill on the fucking record to prioritize refugees based on religious persecution. The same shit you folks are flipping shit over simply because Trump put it down on paper.

Again! Ya'll are soooo clueless... It's just sad. You don't even /know/ how badly your media lies to you. WAKE UP!

First from the EO:

(e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States. - EXECUTIVE ORDER: PROTECTING THE NATION FROM FOREIGN TERRORIST ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES

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Here's a bill from a democrat, California, back in March 2015, wanting to give a higher priority for those being religiously persecuted (aka priority 2 - 3 is those with families, 1 is individuals who's lives are in imminent danger). Introduced by Representative Vargas (D-CA), this bill would make the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) more accessible to individuals in or from Iraq and Syria, including individuals facing persecution by ISIS based on gender, religion or ethnicity, by allowing them direct access to the refugee admissions process.

In fact, the fucking bill itself is named "Protecting Religious Minorities Persecuted by ISIS Act of 2015" :

"SEC. 3. United States refugee program processing priorities.

(a) In general.—Refugees of special humanitarian concern eligible for Priority 2 processing under the refugee resettlement priority system who may apply directly to the United States Refugee Admissions Program shall include aliens who are or were nationals or residents of Iraq or Syria who have been persecuted or have a credible fear of being persecuted by the group commonly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (or any successor name), or by a similar group, based on—

(1) the alien’s membership in a minority group, including a religious or ethnic minority group;

(2) the alien’s gender; or

(3) other characteristics identified by the Secretary of State, or the designee of the Secretary. "

- Text - H.R.1568 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Protecting Religious Minorities Persecuted by ISIS Act of 2015

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Boss, post: 16529121

The Constitution does NOT forbid allowing persons in based on religion.

How sure are you?

 

[EverCurious]

Lets go even further into the bullshit narrative being pushed by Dems and the media since ya'll don't seem to get it...

THIS is on the books /right/ now, and has been, part of title 8 1157 - 8 USC 1157: Annual admission of refugees and admission of emergency situation refugees

Establishing Categories of Aliens for Purposes of Refugee Determinations

"(a) In General.-In the case of an alien who is within a category of aliens established under subsection (b), the alien may establish, for purposes of admission as a refugee under section 207 of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1157], that the alien has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion by asserting such a fear and asserting a credible basis for concern about the possibility of such persecution.

"(b) Establishment of Categories.-

"(1) For purposes of subsection (a), the Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Coordinator for Refugee Affairs, shall establish-

"(A) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of an independent state of the former Soviet Union or of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in that state on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion,[;]

"(B) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in such respective foreign state on such an account; and

"(C) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of the Islamic Republic or Iran who, as members of a religious minority in Iran, share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in that state on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

"(2)(A) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of an independent state of the former Soviet Union or of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania and who are Jews or Evangelical Christians shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).

"(B) Aliens who are (or were) nationals of an independent state of the former Soviet Union or of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania and who are current members of, and demonstrate public, active, and continuous participation (or attempted participation) in the religious activities of, the Ukrainian Catholic Church or the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).

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More to come, I'll flood you idiots with evidence that religious persecution as standing for higher priority refugee classification is nothing new and maybe you'll get it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

EverCurious, post: 16529482

Wow, you're a lying piece of shit, had to edit my post to push your lie. Unlike you, I included a link to the EO. It doesn't change the fact that a Democrat in 2015 put a bill on the fucking record to prioritize refugees based on religious persecution. The same shit you folks are flipping shit over simply because Trump put it down on paper.

I quoted Trump's EO from your link.

The Democrat did not prioritize Christians over another religion as Trump did.

 

[EverCurious]

"SEC. 1243. UNITED STATES REFUGEE PROGRAM PROCESSING PRIORITIES.

"(a) In General.-Refugees of special humanitarian concern eligible for Priority 2 processing under the refugee resettlement priority system who may apply directly to the United States Admission Program shall include-

"(1) Iraqis who were or are employed by the United States Government, in Iraq;

"(2) Iraqis who establish to the satisfaction of the Secretary of State that they are or were employed in Iraq by-

"(A) a media or nongovernmental organization headquartered in the United States; or

"(B) an organization or entity closely associated with the United States mission in Iraq that has received United States Government funding through an official and documented contract, award, grant, or cooperative agreement; and

"(3) spouses, children, and parents whether or not accompanying or following to join, and sons, daughters, and siblings of aliens described in paragraph (1), paragraph (2), or section 1244(b)(1); and

"(4) Iraqis who are members of a religious or minority community, have been identified by the Secretary of State, or the designee of the Secretary, as a persecuted group, and have close family members (as described in section 201(b)(2)(A)(i) or 203(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1151(b)(2)(A)(i) and 1153(a))) in the United States. -- 8 USC 1157: Annual admission of refugees and admission of emergency situation refugees

 

[NotfooledbyW]

More to come, I'll flood you idiots with evidence that religious persecution as standing for higher priority refugee classification is nothing new and maybe you'll get it.

Flood all you want. No one is arguing that point. Religious persecution is fine to have refugees prioritized for issuing entry to the US.

That is not what Trump's Muslim ban says.

 

[EverCurious]

Related to my post in 328 - here's a 2014 article on the rule that was passed there (giving Iraq religious minorities higher priority refugee status) - http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...rry-give-iraq-syria-christians-refugee-status

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A bipartisan group of senators demanded Secretary of State John Kerry do more to protect religious minorities in Syria and Iraq.

“We have an obligation to stand up for human rights,” Brown said. “The U.S. has pledged humanitarian assistance for relief in Iraq and Syria, and that should include refugee assistance for persecuted religious minorities facing persecution.”

The senators said the State Department should also provide these minorities with better access to U.S. humanitarian aid.

“The oppression of Christians and other religious minorities in Syria and Iraq has led to an unspeakable humanitarian crisis,” Wicker said. “Tens of thousands have had to flee their homes to seek sanctuary from the Islamic State — whose savage treatment of these people is well-documented. The United States has historically protected minorities facing similar circumstances. We should do so again now.”

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria has persecuted religious minorities, brutally killing them. The United States has launched airstrikes against the terrorist group.

In the letter, the lawmakers asked specifically for the creation of a Priority 2 group under the United States Refugee Admissions Program for religious minorities from Iraq and Syria. This categorization has been used in the past to protect religious minorities in the former Soviet Union, Cuba and Iran. It would allow the minority groups to come to the United States and seek asylum.

Sens. Dan Coats (R-Ind.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), James Inhofe (R-Okla.), John Thune (R-S.D.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) also signed the letter.

 

[EverCurious]

From 2014 D-Hawaii House Bill 435 - Text of H.Res. 435 (114th): Recognizing the persecution of religious and ethnic minorities, especially Christians and Yezidis, by ... (Introduced version) - GovTrack.us

Recognizing the persecution of religious and ethnic minorities, especially Christians and Yezidis, by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, also known as Daesh, and calling for the immediate prioritization of accepting refugees from such communities.

Whereas the United Nations Secretary-General has condemned "in the strongest terms the systematic persecution of minority populations in Iraq by Islamic State (IS) and associated armed groups";

Whereas the Middle East has been home to Christians, Yezidis, Mandeans, and other religious minority groups for generations;

Whereas religious minority groups are being targeted specifically for religious reasons, receiving ultimatums to either convert to Islam, pay a tax, leave, or face imminent execution;

Whereas these religious and ethnic minority groups have faced systematic and widespread attacks, including murder, rape, forced conversions to Islam, mass abductions, displacement, deprivation of property, and other atrocities, resulting in hundreds of thousands of displaced persons who have been forced to flee and seek refuge;

Whereas Christians have suffered barbaric violence, such as dozens of filmed beheadings in Libya, as well as forced displacement and deprivation of property with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant ultimatums to either pay a tax, convert, leave, or die, including hundreds of thousands of Christians displaced from towns and villages across the region;

Whereas the Yezidi community alone has suffered with more than 420,000 Yezidis who are displaced and living in camps, with thousands of Yezidi girls kidnapped and sold into slavery;

Whereas these actions are in clear violation of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, signed in Paris on December 9, 1948 (referred to as "the Convention");

Whereas Article II of the Convention declares that "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."; and

Whereas the United States Department of State has announced plans to increase the amount of refugees resettled in the United States to 85,000 in fiscal year 2016 and 100,000 in fiscal year 2017: Now, therefore, be it

[Full Bill at above link]

 

[danielpalos]

When is the right wing, going to end the general Warfare?

 

[ding]

When is the right wing, going to end the general Warfare?

Probably after socialists have Darwinized themselves out of existence.

 

[danielpalos]

When is the right wing, going to end the general Warfare?

Probably after socialists have Darwinized themselves out of existence.

then, stop whining about taxes and refugees; right wingers.

 

[EverCurious]

2015 D-Illinois requesting the prioritization of religiously persecuted refugees. - Text of S. 1860 (114th): A bill to protect and promote international religious freedom. (Introduced version) - GovTrack.us

(9) According to the 2014 USCIRF Annual Report, "The past 10 years have seen a worsening of the already-poor religious freedom environment in Pakistan, a continued dearth of religious freedom in Turkmenistan, backsliding in Vietnam, rising violations in Egypt before and after the Arab Spring, and Syria’s decent [sic] into sectarian civil war with all sides perpetrating egregious religious freedom violations.". -- Note, USCRIF is the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom[/b]

(10) Under section 402 of IRFA (22 U.S.C. 6442), the President is required to designate a country as a country of particular concern (referred to in this section as "CPC") if the government of the country has engaged in or tolerated systematic, ongoing and egregious violations of religious freedom.

(11) According to the 2015 USCIRF Annual Report, since October 1999, when the first countries were designated as CPCs, "the list has been largely unchanged. Of the nine countries designated as CPCs in July 2014, most had been named as CPCs for over a decade … Since IRFA’s inception, only one country has been removed from the State Department’s CPC list due to diplomatic activity.". This track record calls into serious question the utility of the CPC mechanism and the utility of IRFA to improve the state of religious freedom throughout the world.

(12) The United States has a long tradition of providing safe haven to refugees, including members of religious minority groups and those fleeing religious persecution. Following the international community’s tragic failure to shelter Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi genocide, the United States played a leadership role in establishing the international legal regime for the protection of refugees. Since that time, the American people have generously welcomed millions of refugees fleeing war and totalitarian regimes, and the United States traditionally accepts at least 50 percent of resettlement cases handled by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (referred to in this section as "UNHCR").

[...]

(15) There are several steps that would facilitate the efforts of the United States Government to protect and provide safe haven to refugees from religious persecution. The 2015 USCIRF Annual Report recommends that Congress "work to provide the President with permanent authority to designate as refugees specifically-defined groups based on shared characteristics identifying them as targets for persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion".

[...]

3. Enhanced protections for refugees and asylees fleeing religious persecution

(a) Authority To designate certain groups of refugees for consideration

Section 207(c)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1157(c)(1)) is amended—
(1) by inserting "(A)" before "Subject to the numerical limitations"; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
(B)
(i) The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, may designate specifically defined groups of aliens—
(I) whose resettlement in the United States is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest; and
(II) who—
(aa) share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion; or
(bb) having been identified as targets under item (aa), share a common need for resettlement due to a specific vulnerability.
(ii) An alien who establishes membership in a group designated under clause (i) to the satisfaction of the Secretary of Homeland Security shall be considered a refugee for purposes of admission as a refugee under this section unless the Secretary of Homeland Security determines that such alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.
(iii) A designation under clause (i) is for purposes of adjudicatory efficiency and may be revoked by the Secretary of State at any time after notification to Congress.
(iv) Categories of aliens established under section 599D(b) of the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1990 (Public Law 101–167; 8 U.S.C. 1157 note)—
(I) Shall be designated under clause (i) until the end of the first fiscal year commencing after the date of the enactment of the FIRST Freedom Act; and
(II) shall be eligible for designation thereafter at the discretion of the Secretary of State, considering, among other factors, whether a country under consideration has been designated as a country of particular concern under section 402 of International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 (22 U.S.C. 6442) for engaging in or tolerating systematic, ongoing, and egregious violations of religious freedom.
(v) A designation under clause (i) shall not influence decisions to grant, to any alien, asylum under section 208, protection under section 241(b)(3), or protection under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, done at New York December 10, 1984.
(vi) A decision to deny admission under this section to an alien who establishes to the satisfaction of the Secretary of Homeland Security that the alien is a member of a group designated under clause (i) shall—
(I) be in writing; and
(II) state, to the maximum extent feasible, the reason for the denial.
(vii) Refugees admitted pursuant to a designation under clause (i)—
(I) shall be subject to the numerical limitations under subsection (a); and
(II) shall be admissible under this section.


[Full bill at link above]

 

[ding]

When is the right wing, going to end the general Warfare?

Probably after socialists have Darwinized themselves out of existence.

then, stop whining about taxes and refugees; right wingers.

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[Athanasius68]

More to come, I'll flood you idiots with evidence that religious persecution as standing for higher priority refugee classification is nothing new and maybe you'll get it.

Flood all you want. No one is arguing that point. Religious persecution is fine to have refugees prioritized for issuing entry to the US.

That is not what Trump's Muslim ban says.

So now you concede the point: far from being unconstitutional, the USA has a long history of letting in those who face religious persecution. This is what the EO does-- it recognises that Christians are being targeted because they are Christian.
What, pray tell, is the problem now?

 

[danielpalos]

When is the right wing, going to end the general Warfare?

Probably after socialists have Darwinized themselves out of existence.

then, stop whining about taxes and refugees; right wingers.

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i thought Only socialists don't like to compete?

 

[danielpalos]

More to come, I'll flood you idiots with evidence that religious persecution as standing for higher priority refugee classification is nothing new and maybe you'll get it.

Flood all you want. No one is arguing that point. Religious persecution is fine to have refugees prioritized for issuing entry to the US.

That is not what Trump's Muslim ban says.

So now you concede the point: far from being unconstitutional, the USA has a long history of letting in those who face religious persecution. This is what the EO does-- it recognises that Christians are being targeted because they are Christian.
What, pray tell, is the problem now?

we don't have real times of war as capitally indicated under our form of capitalism and the "institution" of "double entry" bookkeeping? we need real times of war tax rates to make command economics work, for our president.

 

[ding]

When is the right wing, going to end the general Warfare?

Probably after socialists have Darwinized themselves out of existence.

then, stop whining about taxes and refugees; right wingers.

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i thought Only socialists don't like to compete?

What does that have to do with their Darwinian ticking clock?