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Whoa now! Let us not condemn Yassar Arafat. He was one the world's all time greatest leaders. He took his Palestinians from the toilet to the sewer, got them massacred over & over again by their own Arab brothers, embezzeled their money, then died from AIDS leaving his Palestinians living in ignorance & poverty with no hope for a Palestinian State. And that is truly worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.[/]
According to official UN records, you're a little off!Bullshit.
That's the propaganda and lies of Anti-Zionists and Jew haters.
Before the migration of "Zionists" the Arabs and Jews clashed and fought over the fact that they believed that Jews shouldn't be here, even if they were the natives to begin with.
Jews were the natives in Hebron, till they were expelled by the Arabs, which in their rudness, dared to call today's Jews "illegal settlers".
And people like you swallow that lie and bark like good lil puppies.
We all know better.
Do you know what "indigenous" means?During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close.
Ha ha ha. That's like a 100 page document which he managed to find the only pro Arab version in it.According to official UN records, you're a little off!Bullshit.
That's the propaganda and lies of Anti-Zionists and Jew haters.
Before the migration of "Zionists" the Arabs and Jews clashed and fought over the fact that they believed that Jews shouldn't be here, even if they were the natives to begin with.
Jews were the natives in Hebron, till they were expelled by the Arabs, which in their rudness, dared to call today's Jews "illegal settlers".
And people like you swallow that lie and bark like good lil puppies.
We all know better.
Do you know what "indigenous" means?During the period of the Mandate, the Zionist Organization worked to secure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine, whose forefathers had inhabited the land for virtually the two preceding millennia felt this design to be a violation of their natural and inalienable rights. They also viewed it as an infringement of assurances of independence given by the Allied Powers to Arab leaders in return for their support during the war. The result was mounting resistance to the Mandate by Palestinian Arabs, followed by resort to violence by the Jewish community as the Second World War drew to a close.
It means your propaganda rap is full of shit!
BTW, if there was all that violence you claim was going on, you shouldn't have too much trouble to pony up some evidence of that. So where is it? Until you do, you're the only one spewing propaganda.
P F Tinmore, et al,
Oh, brother!
(COMMENT)In any case, the Palestinians have the legal and moral high ground.
If there is one piece of ground the Arab-Palestinian will unlikely ever hold sovereignty over it the legal and moral high ground.
First, let me say that the Israelis (Jewish State of Israel) has not always been in the "right" - and hasn't always - acted in good faith - and hasn't always exhibited the qualities of an exemplary nation. I have many objections to the way they have conducted themselves during the course of the continuing struggle in the Middle East.
OK, having said that --- you could mark Israel's missteps, mistakes, and out-right dumb moves on a Whiteboard with a black, fine tip, Expo Marker. There might be quite a few marks. On the other hand, and by way of comparison, to do the same for the Arab and Arab-Palestinians, you'd need run the Whiteboard down to the closest Earl Scheib Paint & Body Store Location and send the whole Whiteboard in for a coating of nanotech-based Blacker-than-Black. A paint roller just wouldn't do it justice.
13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:
(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.
The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out man, woman and child.
I beg to remain, etc.
/s/ Isa Nakhleh
Representative of the
Arab Higher Committee
Remembering:
States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered,
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore, et al,
Oh, brother!
(COMMENT)In any case, the Palestinians have the legal and moral high ground.
If there is one piece of ground the Arab-Palestinian will unlikely ever hold sovereignty over it the legal and moral high ground.
First, let me say that the Israelis (Jewish State of Israel) has not always been in the "right" - and hasn't always - acted in good faith - and hasn't always exhibited the qualities of an exemplary nation. I have many objections to the way they have conducted themselves during the course of the continuing struggle in the Middle East.
OK, having said that --- you could mark Israel's missteps, mistakes, and out-right dumb moves on a Whiteboard with a black, fine tip, Expo Marker. There might be quite a few marks. On the other hand, and by way of comparison, to do the same for the Arab and Arab-Palestinians, you'd need run the Whiteboard down to the closest Earl Scheib Paint & Body Store Location and send the whole Whiteboard in for a coating of nanotech-based Blacker-than-Black. A paint roller just wouldn't do it justice.
13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:
(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.
The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out man, woman and child.
I beg to remain, etc.
/s/ Isa Nakhleh
Representative of the
Arab Higher Committee
Remembering:
States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered,
Most Respectfully,
R
Of course you did not address the issues that I posted to base my conclusion.
The Palestinians lost any scrap of high moral ground that they once might have held, the very moment that they killed Israeli athletes at the Munich Games, or pushed that old man in the wheelchair overboard on the Achille Lauro, or sent suicide bombers into Israel to kill Jewish civilians on buses and at restaurants....the Palestinians have the legal and moral high ground.
The bottom-feeding, under-performing, scum-sucking Palestinian Hamas and Fatah types, holding the high moral ground?
Bullshit.
The Palestinians lost any scrap of high moral ground that they once might have held, the very moment that they killed Israeli athletes at the Munich Games, or pushed that old man in the wheelchair overboard on the Achille Lauro, or sent suicide bombers into Israel to kill Jewish civilians on buses and at restaurants....the Palestinians have the legal and moral high ground.
The bottom-feeding, under-performing, scum-sucking Palestinian Hamas and Fatah types, holding the high moral ground?
Bullshit.
Okay, so let's do an analogy here. After a couple of hundred years of slavery, the unfortunate and unwilling African-Americans of Virginia staged a good sized slave rebellion during which they killed quite a few unarmed plantation owners, their wives, and kids, really horribly, chopped them with hoes, etc. Would you tell me that the slaves lost their clear moral high ground with regard to slavery as a result of their actions during the rebellion? Did their actions then justify continued slavery?
Okay, so let's do an analogy here. After a couple of hundred years of slavery, the unfortunate and unwilling African-Americans of Virginia staged a good sized slave rebellion during which they killed quite a few unarmed plantation owners, their wives, and kids, really horribly, chopped them with hoes, etc. Would you tell me that the slaves lost their clear moral high ground with regard to slavery as a result of their actions during the rebellion? Did their actions then justify continued slavery?
69 Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:
Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.
83 The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:
Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.
84 To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).
Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Palestinian's left because of jewish terrorism against them.Billo_Really, et al,
You make this mistake quite frequently.
(OBSERVATION)
World English Dictionary
vested interest
n
1. property law an existing and disposable right to the immediate or future possession and enjoyment of property
World English Dictionary
human rights
pl n
the rights of individuals to liberty, justice, etc
Resolution 61/295. United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
Article 2
Indigenous peoples and individuals are free and equal to all other peoples and individuals and have the right to be free from any kind of discrimination, in the exercise of their rights, in particular that based on their indigenous origin or identity
(COMMENT)
First, you confuse the "vested Interest" indigenous population with the "human rights" in common with all people.
Second, you forget that all people have the same rights. Longevity as a resident (indigenous people) incurs no special rights over newer residences.
While there is some truth that "you cannot move into a new neighborhood and automatically have more rights than the people already living there" --- it is not always true. It depends on the status of the resident. Your analogy is not quite right. Obviously, if I move into a neighborhood and buy property, I have more of a vested interest in the neighborhood than the renters that have been there for decades.
With all other things being equal --- Everyone has the same "rights." And in exercising these rights, have the same recognition - without regard to longevity in residence.
However, if I recently moved in and invested in the development of the land culturally, economically, socially, financially, then I might actually have a greater vested interest than a long time resident.
This requires an evaluation on a case-by-case basis.
Most Respectfully,
R
Thanks for the link.
http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/DRIPS_en.pdf
If you consider Palestinians to be the indigenous population of a state called Israel, then Israel is in violation of this provision. You will also see that Israel is in violation of articles 1 through 10 and others.
Another view of Israel would be a colonial project where these rights would apply to the Palestinians.
Note the similar rights expressed in both of these.
Then there are rights specifically for Palestine.
UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,
Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,
1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:
(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;
2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;
3. Emphasizes that full respect for and the realization of these inalienable rights of the Palestinian people are indispensable for the solution of the question of Palestine;
In any case, the Palestinians have the legal and moral high ground.
Palestinians left because they did not want to be part of an Israeli state, among other reason. Some applied for reunification programs, about 1000 a year, till Oslo, returned to Israel and became citizens.
Israel has on many talks offered to take in 100,000 of the original refugees, over a period of time. Those born out side of Israel or that were in any way part of terrorism or violence against Israel would be be allowed. The rest of the palestinians would have to be taken in by other countries or find a place in a state of palestine when fully establish.
Israel had legal and moral right to exist as well.............and a right to pray at the wall or on the mount. Jews should have a right to buy land and live or establish a business in a palestinian state, or anywhere else.
