Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

At the moment, the “Palestinian narrative” is winning, hands down. This should not be happening, not only because the facts do not support that story but because the Jewish story is so much more glorious and empowering.

Why would you root for the story of the perpetual victim when you could choose the story of those who miraculously overcame all odds? Why would you choose the story of violence and hate over the story of self-sacrifice and love?

To put it in a completely different light, the “Palestinian” narrative is most damaging to Arabs. Their story does not inspire the creation of a better life for the downtrodden. In fact, it is a story that keeps the downtrodden, down. It teaches Arab youth that they are victims of the Jew, that the path to improving their lives is to throw their own lives away in attempt to be rid of the Jews. Instead of teaching life, this story teaches death – for the Jew and often for the Arab as well.

And while the majority of the Arab population is busy hating the Jew, fighting the Jew, Arab rulers are busy enjoying the opulence of their corruption. The Arab people suffer while their rulers have access to all the comforts and pleasures of life. More than it is used against the Jewish people, the “Palestinian” narrative is used by Arab and Muslim leaders to distract, control and retain power over their own people.

(full article online)

Unravelling the “narrative” (Forest Rain) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

You are full of shit, as usual. Why don't the Palestinians build a life?




Daoud Nassar talks about saving his family's land, the Tent of Nations. In May 2014 1,500 trees were uprooted in the middle of the night.


How can Palestinians build a life when the assholes keep destroying it.

(Video 1)
From a comment of the video on youtube
"what is the reason that the army is doing this? If you dig you will find that these shopkeepers have built their shops on land that is not theirs. If you build a store on land you don't own - then you have to move."

[What, Palestinian Arabs building on land which is not theirs, in 2007?]
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(Video 2 )Oops!!! No Permit !!! Tsk, tsk, tsk !!!

The Dutch gamble
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(video 3) Ooops, another State Land

Here is what really happened.

On May 11 2014 Nassar received an order from the Israeli authorities to stop cultivating the orchards. The order stated that the orchards were on ‘state land’ and that cultivating the land was forbidden by law. The authorities ordered the removal of the trees. The plots in question are situated in a valley hundreds of meters away from Nassar’s farm.

The missing piece in the story about Daoud Nassar’s trees | Missing Peace | missingpeace.eu | EN

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Horrible Israelis or thieving Palestinians and their European supporters?

How can Israel have "state land" in Palestine?

And then these assholes are too stupid to figure out why people throw stones and shoot rockets.

 

[rylah]

This looks bad. Although they certainly began filming in the middle of what was going on. But looks bad.

However Hebron is a special case. It needs solution as much as Jerusalem. An preferably no just a political one.
It's where Ishmael and Israel buried Abraham our Father together in respect.

There're people to talk to in Hebron on both sides, again it's much more than politics:

 

[Sixties Fan]

At the moment, the “Palestinian narrative” is winning, hands down. This should not be happening, not only because the facts do not support that story but because the Jewish story is so much more glorious and empowering.

Why would you root for the story of the perpetual victim when you could choose the story of those who miraculously overcame all odds? Why would you choose the story of violence and hate over the story of self-sacrifice and love?

To put it in a completely different light, the “Palestinian” narrative is most damaging to Arabs. Their story does not inspire the creation of a better life for the downtrodden. In fact, it is a story that keeps the downtrodden, down. It teaches Arab youth that they are victims of the Jew, that the path to improving their lives is to throw their own lives away in attempt to be rid of the Jews. Instead of teaching life, this story teaches death – for the Jew and often for the Arab as well.

And while the majority of the Arab population is busy hating the Jew, fighting the Jew, Arab rulers are busy enjoying the opulence of their corruption. The Arab people suffer while their rulers have access to all the comforts and pleasures of life. More than it is used against the Jewish people, the “Palestinian” narrative is used by Arab and Muslim leaders to distract, control and retain power over their own people.

(full article online)

Unravelling the “narrative” (Forest Rain) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

You are full of shit, as usual. Why don't the Palestinians build a life?




Daoud Nassar talks about saving his family's land, the Tent of Nations. In May 2014 1,500 trees were uprooted in the middle of the night.


How can Palestinians build a life when the assholes keep destroying it.

(Video 1)
From a comment of the video on youtube
"what is the reason that the army is doing this? If you dig you will find that these shopkeepers have built their shops on land that is not theirs. If you build a store on land you don't own - then you have to move."

[What, Palestinian Arabs building on land which is not theirs, in 2007?]
-----------------
(Video 2 )Oops!!! No Permit !!! Tsk, tsk, tsk !!!

The Dutch gamble
------------------
(video 3) Ooops, another State Land

Here is what really happened.

On May 11 2014 Nassar received an order from the Israeli authorities to stop cultivating the orchards. The order stated that the orchards were on ‘state land’ and that cultivating the land was forbidden by law. The authorities ordered the removal of the trees. The plots in question are situated in a valley hundreds of meters away from Nassar’s farm.

The missing piece in the story about Daoud Nassar’s trees | Missing Peace | missingpeace.eu | EN

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Horrible Israelis or thieving Palestinians and their European supporters?

How can Israel have "state land" in Palestine?

And then these assholes are too stupid to figure out why people throw stones and shoot rockets.

LOl, there you go again.

How can the STATE of Israel have State Land?

You figure it out. Take your time.

You want an answer to your comment?
Look up the Arab/Muslim education (from the Quran to present) and you should find the answer .

 

[Shusha]

Here is what really happened.

On May 11 2014 Nassar received an order from the Israeli authorities to stop cultivating the orchards. The order stated that the orchards were on ‘state land’ and that cultivating the land was forbidden by law. The authorities ordered the removal of the trees. The plots in question are situated in a valley hundreds of meters away from Nassar’s farm.

The missing piece in the story about Daoud Nassar’s trees | Missing Peace | missingpeace.eu | EN

A really good article. Thank you. And I'll just point out that the Nassar family are settlers, not Palestinians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This looks bad. Although they certainly began filming in the middle of what was going on. But looks bad.

However Hebron is a special case. It needs solution as much as Jerusalem. An preferably no just a political one.
It's where Ishmael and Israel buried Abraham our Father together in respect.

There're people to talk to in Hebron on both sides, again it's much more than politics:

Looking bad is not the same as being bad, as the reason for those Israelis throwing rocks is not clear, and I could not find a comment as to what happened in the video.

History wise, the Jews were attacked and murdered and then expelled from Hebron in 1929. Not allowed to return until after 1967.

From the same year as the video in question:

Three children were lightly injured on Tuesday when Palestinians threw stones at a kindergarten in the Avraham Avinu neighborhood of Hebron. The children were treated by local paramedics.

One of the injured children was the sister Shalhevet Pass, an infant who was killed by a Palestinian sniper in Hebron in 2001, the Hebrew news site Ynet reported.

Three Jewish children lightly hurt in Hebron stoning


Jews are having a hard time getting back their properties in Hebron and other areas of Judea and Samaria, taken by the Arabs and later by the Hashemites of Jordan in 1948.


Who is the settler and who was the one with 3000 years of continuous presence in that city and all over Israel ?

Who wants to expel whom? (And who has already done it, several times, from several areas of Israel and by force?)

 

[P F Tinmore]

At the moment, the “Palestinian narrative” is winning, hands down. This should not be happening, not only because the facts do not support that story but because the Jewish story is so much more glorious and empowering.

Why would you root for the story of the perpetual victim when you could choose the story of those who miraculously overcame all odds? Why would you choose the story of violence and hate over the story of self-sacrifice and love?

To put it in a completely different light, the “Palestinian” narrative is most damaging to Arabs. Their story does not inspire the creation of a better life for the downtrodden. In fact, it is a story that keeps the downtrodden, down. It teaches Arab youth that they are victims of the Jew, that the path to improving their lives is to throw their own lives away in attempt to be rid of the Jews. Instead of teaching life, this story teaches death – for the Jew and often for the Arab as well.

And while the majority of the Arab population is busy hating the Jew, fighting the Jew, Arab rulers are busy enjoying the opulence of their corruption. The Arab people suffer while their rulers have access to all the comforts and pleasures of life. More than it is used against the Jewish people, the “Palestinian” narrative is used by Arab and Muslim leaders to distract, control and retain power over their own people.

(full article online)

Unravelling the “narrative” (Forest Rain) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

You are full of shit, as usual. Why don't the Palestinians build a life?




Daoud Nassar talks about saving his family's land, the Tent of Nations. In May 2014 1,500 trees were uprooted in the middle of the night.


How can Palestinians build a life when the assholes keep destroying it.

(Video 1)
From a comment of the video on youtube
"what is the reason that the army is doing this? If you dig you will find that these shopkeepers have built their shops on land that is not theirs. If you build a store on land you don't own - then you have to move."

[What, Palestinian Arabs building on land which is not theirs, in 2007?]
-----------------
(Video 2 )Oops!!! No Permit !!! Tsk, tsk, tsk !!!

The Dutch gamble
------------------
(video 3) Ooops, another State Land

Here is what really happened.

On May 11 2014 Nassar received an order from the Israeli authorities to stop cultivating the orchards. The order stated that the orchards were on ‘state land’ and that cultivating the land was forbidden by law. The authorities ordered the removal of the trees. The plots in question are situated in a valley hundreds of meters away from Nassar’s farm.

The missing piece in the story about Daoud Nassar’s trees | Missing Peace | missingpeace.eu | EN

----------------

Horrible Israelis or thieving Palestinians and their European supporters?

How can Israel have "state land" in Palestine?

And then these assholes are too stupid to figure out why people throw stones and shoot rockets.

LOl, there you go again.

How can the STATE of Israel have State Land?

You figure it out. Take your time.

You want an answer to your comment?
Look up the Arab/Muslim education (from the Quran to present) and you should find the answer .

Israel can have state land inside its own borders.

Oh wait!!!

 

[Sixties Fan]

At the moment, the “Palestinian narrative” is winning, hands down. This should not be happening, not only because the facts do not support that story but because the Jewish story is so much more glorious and empowering.

Why would you root for the story of the perpetual victim when you could choose the story of those who miraculously overcame all odds? Why would you choose the story of violence and hate over the story of self-sacrifice and love?

To put it in a completely different light, the “Palestinian” narrative is most damaging to Arabs. Their story does not inspire the creation of a better life for the downtrodden. In fact, it is a story that keeps the downtrodden, down. It teaches Arab youth that they are victims of the Jew, that the path to improving their lives is to throw their own lives away in attempt to be rid of the Jews. Instead of teaching life, this story teaches death – for the Jew and often for the Arab as well.

And while the majority of the Arab population is busy hating the Jew, fighting the Jew, Arab rulers are busy enjoying the opulence of their corruption. The Arab people suffer while their rulers have access to all the comforts and pleasures of life. More than it is used against the Jewish people, the “Palestinian” narrative is used by Arab and Muslim leaders to distract, control and retain power over their own people.

(full article online)

Unravelling the “narrative” (Forest Rain) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

You are full of shit, as usual. Why don't the Palestinians build a life?




Daoud Nassar talks about saving his family's land, the Tent of Nations. In May 2014 1,500 trees were uprooted in the middle of the night.


How can Palestinians build a life when the assholes keep destroying it.

(Video 1)
From a comment of the video on youtube
"what is the reason that the army is doing this? If you dig you will find that these shopkeepers have built their shops on land that is not theirs. If you build a store on land you don't own - then you have to move."

[What, Palestinian Arabs building on land which is not theirs, in 2007?]
-----------------
(Video 2 )Oops!!! No Permit !!! Tsk, tsk, tsk !!!

The Dutch gamble
------------------
(video 3) Ooops, another State Land

Here is what really happened.

On May 11 2014 Nassar received an order from the Israeli authorities to stop cultivating the orchards. The order stated that the orchards were on ‘state land’ and that cultivating the land was forbidden by law. The authorities ordered the removal of the trees. The plots in question are situated in a valley hundreds of meters away from Nassar’s farm.

The missing piece in the story about Daoud Nassar’s trees | Missing Peace | missingpeace.eu | EN

----------------

Horrible Israelis or thieving Palestinians and their European supporters?

How can Israel have "state land" in Palestine?

And then these assholes are too stupid to figure out why people throw stones and shoot rockets.

LOl, there you go again.

How can the STATE of Israel have State Land?

You figure it out. Take your time.

You want an answer to your comment?
Look up the Arab/Muslim education (from the Quran to present) and you should find the answer .

Israel can have state land inside its own borders.

Oh wait!!!

The US can have State land inside its own borders.

Oh, wait!!!! Yes it can !!!!

To be more precise, in the US it is called Federal land

Federal land ownership by state - Ballotpedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are full of shit, as usual. Why don't the Palestinians build a life?




Daoud Nassar talks about saving his family's land, the Tent of Nations. In May 2014 1,500 trees were uprooted in the middle of the night.


How can Palestinians build a life when the assholes keep destroying it.

(Video 1)
From a comment of the video on youtube
"what is the reason that the army is doing this? If you dig you will find that these shopkeepers have built their shops on land that is not theirs. If you build a store on land you don't own - then you have to move."

[What, Palestinian Arabs building on land which is not theirs, in 2007?]
-----------------
(Video 2 )Oops!!! No Permit !!! Tsk, tsk, tsk !!!

The Dutch gamble
------------------
(video 3) Ooops, another State Land

Here is what really happened.

On May 11 2014 Nassar received an order from the Israeli authorities to stop cultivating the orchards. The order stated that the orchards were on ‘state land’ and that cultivating the land was forbidden by law. The authorities ordered the removal of the trees. The plots in question are situated in a valley hundreds of meters away from Nassar’s farm.

The missing piece in the story about Daoud Nassar’s trees | Missing Peace | missingpeace.eu | EN

----------------

Horrible Israelis or thieving Palestinians and their European supporters?

How can Israel have "state land" in Palestine?

And then these assholes are too stupid to figure out why people throw stones and shoot rockets.

LOl, there you go again.

How can the STATE of Israel have State Land?

You figure it out. Take your time.

You want an answer to your comment?
Look up the Arab/Muslim education (from the Quran to present) and you should find the answer .

Israel can have state land inside its own borders.

Oh wait!!!

The US can have State land inside its own borders.

Oh, wait!!!! Yes it can !!!!

How much state land does the US claim in Canada?

 

[rylah]

Rabi Yaakov Elyashr, son of Rabi Haim Yosef Elyashr.
Born in Hebron 1730, studied Torah in the schools of Hebron and became one of the leaders of the community. In 1773 he went abroad on a mission to represent the Sephardic schools of Hebron. And later on a mission to represent the community of Jerusalem in the towns of Kurdistan.
While in Basra the Persian shah declared war on the city and all the Jews were in great danger, however the the threats were in vain. In remembrance of that incident he composed a long scroll,
the "Persian scroll" or "Scroll of Elyashr" that the Jews of Basra and their families usually read on 2nd of Nisan.
3834 | Encyclopedia of the Founders and Builders of Israel


in the the picture is his son Rabi Yaakov Shaul Elyashr

 

[Shusha]

How much state land does the US claim in Canada?

Canada and the US have a treaty which defines the borders between their two States (with some disputes).

Jordan and Israel ALSO have a treat which defines the borders between their two States.

Why do you accept the one and not the other?

 

[P F Tinmore]

How much state land does the US claim in Canada?

Canada and the US have a treaty which defines the borders between their two States (with some disputes).

Jordan and Israel ALSO have a treat which defines the borders between their two States.

Why do you accept the one and not the other?

Nice deflection.

 

[Shusha]

[
Nice deflection.

Not in the slightest. You were asking how one State could claim land belonging to another State. I'm demonstrating that you are applying different rules to the States of Canada and the US than you are to Israel and Jordan. See Canada and the US have a border based on a treaty which states clearly which land is our land and which land is your land. We know whose land is whose because of that treaty. With Israel and Jordan it is the same. There is a border based on a treaty between these two States which says clearly which land is our land and which land is your land. We know whose land is whose because of that treaty. Its actually simple in the extreme.

You are (again) trying to set up a false premise: that the US claiming Canada's land is the equivalent to Israel claiming "Palestinian" land. But the equivalent would be Israel claiming Jordan's land. It is those two States which have an agreement about borders and whose land is whose. "Palestine" has no treaties with anyone and therefore no borders with anyone. So there would be no legal way to tell what is hers and what is her neighbors.

 

[P F Tinmore]

[
Nice deflection.

Not in the slightest. You were asking how one State could claim land belonging to another State. I'm demonstrating that you are applying different rules to the States of Canada and the US than you are to Israel and Jordan. See Canada and the US have a border based on a treaty which states clearly which land is our land and which land is your land. We know whose land is whose because of that treaty. With Israel and Jordan it is the same. There is a border based on a treaty between these two States which says clearly which land is our land and which land is your land. We know whose land is whose because of that treaty. Its actually simple in the extreme.

You are (again) trying to set up a false premise: that the US claiming Canada's land is the equivalent to Israel claiming "Palestinian" land. But the equivalent would be Israel claiming Jordan's land. It is those two States which have an agreement about borders and whose land is whose. "Palestine" has no treaties with anyone and therefore no borders with anyone. So there would be no legal way to tell what is hers and what is her neighbors.

"Palestine" has no treaties with anyone and therefore no borders with anyone. So there would be no legal way to tell what is hers and what is her neighbors.

Not true. Palestine has international borders with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. These borders have not changed since 1922.

 

[Shusha]

Not true. Palestine has international borders with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. These borders have not changed since 1922.

The State of Israel (formerly known by the geographical term "Palestine") has borders with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt (easily demonstrated with treaties signed by the Government of Israel). We agree those borders have not changed.

What you fail to come up with is a Government of Palestine (as differentiated from the Government of Israel which is now the State with sovereignty over the territory formerly called Palestine) and evidence that that Government has the capacity to enter into agreements with other States. Show me the treaties!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. Palestine has international borders with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. These borders have not changed since 1922.

The State of Israel (formerly known by the geographical term "Palestine") has borders with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt (easily demonstrated with treaties signed by the Government of Israel). We agree those borders have not changed.

What you fail to come up with is a Government of Palestine (as differentiated from the Government of Israel which is now the State with sovereignty over the territory formerly called Palestine) and evidence that that Government has the capacity to enter into agreements with other States. Show me the treaties!

Holy smokescreen, Batman.

Palestine's borders have not changed since 1922.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nabi Saleh: 'It's a silent ethnic cleansing'

Residents of the West Bank village stage frequent protests to fight back against Israel's occupation.

In Nabi Saleh, the Tamimi family became famous after a video showed Ahed, then 14, biting an Israeli soldier's hand in an attempt to free her brother from his grasp [Jaclynn Ashly/Al Jazeera]

Meanwhile, hundreds of dunams of Nabi Saleh's lands have been confiscated for the purposes of building Israel's illegal Halamish settlement, whose residents have burned hundreds of the village's olive trees - attacks that escalated after the protests began. In 2009, the village's water spring was also confiscated for the use of the settlers.

Nabi Saleh: 'It's a silent ethnic cleansing'

 

[Shusha]

Palestine's borders have not changed since 1922.

We agree. They have not. The State of Israel has not given away a bit of that land.

 

[Shusha]

Nabi Saleh: 'It's a silent ethnic cleansing'

Silent ethnic cleansing. You know, where no one is actually ethnically cleansed.

Kinda like slow genocides where the population is exploding.

And apartheids where the only discriminatory laws actually favor the "oppressed".

Sheesh.

 

[rylah]

Nabi Saleh: 'It's a silent ethnic cleansing'

Residents of the West Bank village stage frequent protests to fight back against Israel's occupation.

In Nabi Saleh, the Tamimi family became famous after a video showed Ahed, then 14, biting an Israeli soldier's hand in an attempt to free her brother from his grasp [Jaclynn Ashly/Al Jazeera]

Meanwhile, hundreds of dunams of Nabi Saleh's lands have been confiscated for the purposes of building Israel's illegal Halamish settlement, whose residents have burned hundreds of the village's olive trees - attacks that escalated after the protests began. In 2009, the village's water spring was also confiscated for the use of the settlers.

Nabi Saleh: 'It's a silent ethnic cleansing'

A rulling Qatari tribe fights the "occupation of THEIR lands"??