Who here would defend Ramos's right to buy AR's

[XponentialChaos]

The background check for rifles and handguns are exactly the same.

Correct. And yet we allow 18-year-olds to purchase AR-15 rifles when we prohibit them from purchasing hand guns.

 

[AMart]

Correct. And yet we allow 18-year-olds to purchase AR-15 rifles when we prohibit them from purchasing hand guns.

It should be 18 for both.

 

[XponentialChaos]

If they actually believed in doing so they would have done it years ago.

It will of course make no actual difference in the long run, you can do just as much damage with a handgun as you can a long gun in a mass shooting.

Handguns are of course also much easier to conceal as you are working your way into position to begin.

They did do exactly that years ago in Florida as a result of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.

 

[YoursTruly]

But how do you decide who's a whacko and who's not without a thorough psych exam, which no right wing wacko would ever pass? LOL

Right wing whacko's would fail just as left wing whacko's would. It's the "whacko" part that would disqualify them.

How do I decide? Observing them. Having a discussion with them. Then making a judgement. I'm not shrink. But I would imagine the process is about the same. Only shrinks have a better understand of body language and how people word things, that are tale tell signs of something else. They can tell better when someone is lying.

 

[XponentialChaos]

It should be 18 for both.

I disagree. And so do our politicians.

 

[YoursTruly]

It should be 18 for both.

"Kill my kids. But don't take my guns," right?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

They did do exactly that years ago in Florida as a result of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.

Florida is a single state and they didn't pass it because they believed in it, they passed it because they caved to the left.

If they actually believed in it they'd have passed it long before they did.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

"Kill my kids. But don't take my guns," right?

False premise just like, "when did you stop raping your daughter".

 

[AMart]

"Kill my kids. But don't take my guns," right?

I am not killing you kids. And yeah you can't take my guns. I am glad you went from I am a 2nd A guy to we to take your guns. You leftists always hang yourself given enough rope.

 

[AMart]

I disagree. And so do our politicians.

Welp there you have it.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Florida is a single state and they didn't pass it because they believed in it, they passed it because they caved to the left.

If they actually believed in it they'd have passed it long before they did.

Red state. They can do what they want. They just had to stumble over the issue before choosing to do something about it. Maybe Texas should stop stumbling and fix their terrible record of mass shootings.

Adam Kinzinger is now saying the exact same thing. So was Trump.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Welp there you have it.

Yup.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Red state. They can do what they want. They just had to stumble over the issue before choosing to do something about it. Maybe Texas should stop stumbling and fix their terrible record of mass shootings.

Adam Kinzinger is now saying the exact same thing. So was Trump.

What terrible record of mass shootings is that? In a population of 33 million people we average less than 1 per year and raising the age of eligibility to 21 for rifles isn't going to prevent a single mass shooting.

 

[XponentialChaos]

What terrible record of mass shootings is that? In a population of 33 million people we average less than 1 per year and raising the age of eligibility to 21 for rifles isn't going to prevent a single mass shooting.

That opinion of yours is just that, an opinion. We don’t know if Ramos would have been able to get a gun. He was a loner.

And here’s your terrible record of mass shootings. I looked at the last 10 years of the worst mass shootings. I only looked at the ones with at least 10 deaths or at least 20 deaths/injured combined.

Incident: Robb Elementary School Shooting, 2022
Deaths: 22 deaths, 18 injured
Location: Uvalde, Texas

Incident: Buffalo Tops Supermarket Shooting, 2022
Deaths: 10 deaths, 3 injured
Location: Buffalo, New York

Incident: New York City Subway Attack, 2022
Deaths: 0 deaths, 29 injured
Location: New York City, New York

Incident: Hialeah Concert Shooting, 2021
Deaths: 3 deaths, 20 injured
Location: Hialeah, Florida

Incident: Santa Clara Transportation Rail Yard, 2021
Deaths: 10 deaths, 0 injured
Location: San Jose, California

Incident: Boulder Supermarket Shooting, 2021
Deaths: 10 deaths, 2 injured
Location: Boulder, Colorado

Incident: Washington DC Block Party Shooting, 2020
Deaths: 1 death, 21 injured
Location: Washington D.C.

Incident: West Texas Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 8 deaths, 25 injured
Location: Uvalde, Texas

Incident: Dayton Bar Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 10 deaths, 27 injured
Location: Dayton, Ohio

Incident: El Paso Walmart Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 23 deaths, 23 injured
Location: El Paso, Texas

Incident: Virginia Beach Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 13 deaths, 5 injured
Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia

Incident: Thousand Oaks Bar Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 13 deaths, 16 injured
Location: Thousand Oaks, California

Incident: Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 11 deaths, 7 injured
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Incident: Art All Night Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 1 death, 22 injured
Location: Trenton, New Jersey

Incident: Santa Fe High School Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 10 deaths, 14 injured
Location: Santa Fe, Texas

Incident: Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 17 deaths, 17 injured
Location: Parkland, Florida

Incident: Sutherland Springs Church Shooting, 2017
Deaths: 27 deaths, 22 injured
Location: Sutherland Springs, Texas

Incident: Las Vegas Country Music Festival Shooting, 2017
Deaths: 61 deaths, 411 injured
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Incident: Little Rock Nightclub Shooting, 2016
Deaths: 0 deaths, 28 injured
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Incident: Orlando Nightclub Shooting, 2016
Deaths: 50 deaths, 58 injured
Location: Orlando, Florida

Incident: San Bernadino Attack, 2015
Deaths: 16 deaths, 22 injured
Location: San Bernadino, California

Incident: Umpqua Community College Shooting, 2015
Deaths: 10 deaths, 8 injured
Location: Roseburg, Oregon

Incident: Waco Shootout, 2015
Deaths: 9 deaths, 18 injured
Location: Waco, Texas

Incident: Isla Vista Killings, 2014
Deaths: 7 deaths, 13 injured
Location: Isla Vista, California

Incident: Washington Navy Yard Shooting, 2013
Deaths: 13 deaths, 8 injured
Location: Washington, D.C.

Incident: Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting, 2012
Deaths: 28 deaths, 2 injured
Location: Newtown, Connecticut

Incident: Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater Shooting, 2012
Deaths: 12 deaths, 70 injured
Location: Aurora, Colorado

===========================================
Results: Everything is bigger in Texas.

Texas: 99 deaths, 120 injured, 6 mass shootings.
Florida: 70 deaths, 95 injured, 3 mass shooting.
Nevada: 61 deaths, 411 injured, 1 mass shooting.
California: 46 deaths, 51 injured, 4 mass shootings.
Connecticut: 28 deaths, 2 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Colorado: 22 deaths, 72 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Washington D.C.: 14 deaths, 29 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Virginia: 13 deaths, 5 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Pennsylvania: 11 deaths, 7 injured, 1 mass shooting.
New York: 10 deaths, 32 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Ohio: 10 deaths, 27 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Oregon: 10 deaths, 8 injured, 1 mass shooting.
New Jersey: 1 death, 22 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Arkansas: 0 deaths, 28 injured, 1 mass shooting.

Maybe you guys should address this issue. Crazy idea I know.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That opinion of yours is just that, an opinion. We don’t know if Ramos would have been able to get a gun. He was a loner.

And here’s your terrible record of mass shootings. I looked at the last 10 years of the worst mass shootings. I only looked at the ones with at least 10 deaths or at least 20 deaths/injured combined.

Incident: Robb Elementary School Shooting, 2022
Deaths: 22 deaths, 18 injured
Location: Uvalde, Texas

Incident: Buffalo Tops Supermarket Shooting, 2022
Deaths: 10 deaths, 3 injured
Location: Buffalo, New York

Incident: New York City Subway Attack, 2022
Deaths: 0 deaths, 29 injured
Location: New York City, New York

Incident: Hialeah Concert Shooting, 2021
Deaths: 3 deaths, 20 injured
Location: Hialeah, Florida

Incident: Santa Clara Transportation Rail Yard, 2021
Deaths: 10 deaths, 0 injured
Location: San Jose, California

Incident: Boulder Supermarket Shooting, 2021
Deaths: 10 deaths, 2 injured
Location: Boulder, Colorado

Incident: Washington DC Block Party Shooting, 2020
Deaths: 1 death, 21 injured
Location: Washington D.C.

Incident: West Texas Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 8 deaths, 25 injured
Location: Uvalde, Texas

Incident: Dayton Bar Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 10 deaths, 27 injured
Location: Dayton, Ohio

Incident: El Paso Walmart Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 23 deaths, 23 injured
Location: El Paso, Texas

Incident: Virginia Beach Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 13 deaths, 5 injured
Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia

Incident: Thousand Oaks Bar Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 13 deaths, 16 injured
Location: Thousand Oaks, California

Incident: Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 11 deaths, 7 injured
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Incident: Art All Night Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 1 death, 22 injured
Location: Trenton, New Jersey

Incident: Santa Fe High School Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 10 deaths, 14 injured
Location: Santa Fe, Texas

Incident: Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 17 deaths, 17 injured
Location: Parkland, Florida

Incident: Sutherland Springs Church Shooting, 2017
Deaths: 27 deaths, 22 injured
Location: Sutherland Springs, Texas

Incident: Las Vegas Country Music Festival Shooting, 2017
Deaths: 61 deaths, 411 injured
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Incident: Little Rock Nightclub Shooting, 2016
Deaths: 0 deaths, 28 injured
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Incident: Orlando Nightclub Shooting, 2016
Deaths: 50 deaths, 58 injured
Location: Orlando, Florida

Incident: San Bernadino Attack, 2015
Deaths: 16 deaths, 22 injured
Location: San Bernadino, California

Incident: Umpqua Community College Shooting, 2015
Deaths: 10 deaths, 8 injured
Location: Roseburg, Oregon

Incident: Waco Shootout, 2015
Deaths: 9 deaths, 18 injured
Location: Waco, Texas

Incident: Isla Vista Killings, 2014
Deaths: 7 deaths, 13 injured
Location: Isla Vista, California

Incident: Washington Navy Yard Shooting, 2013
Deaths: 13 deaths, 8 injured
Location: Washington, D.C.

Incident: Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting, 2012
Deaths: 28 deaths, 2 injured
Location: Newtown, Connecticut

Incident: Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater Shooting, 2012
Deaths: 12 deaths, 70 injured
Location: Aurora, Colorado

===========================================
Results: Everything is bigger in Texas.

Texas: 99 deaths, 120 injured, 6 mass shootings.
Florida: 70 deaths, 95 injured, 3 mass shooting.
Nevada: 61 deaths, 411 injured, 1 mass shooting.
California: 46 deaths, 51 injured, 4 mass shootings.
Connecticut: 28 deaths, 2 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Colorado: 22 deaths, 72 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Washington D.C.: 14 deaths, 29 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Virginia: 13 deaths, 5 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Pennsylvania: 11 deaths, 7 injured, 1 mass shooting.
New York: 10 deaths, 32 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Ohio: 10 deaths, 27 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Oregon: 10 deaths, 8 injured, 1 mass shooting.
New Jersey: 1 death, 22 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Arkansas: 0 deaths, 28 injured, 1 mass shooting.

Why are you listing incidents that did not happen in Texas and those that were not mass shooting?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That opinion of yours is just that, an opinion. We don’t know if Ramos would have been able to get a gun. He was a loner.

Anyone can obtain a gun legally or illegally, that's not an opinion it is a fact.

He could have just as easily waited until recess and just mowed the kids down with grandma's pickup if he couldn't get access to a gun.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Why are you listing incidents that did not happen in Texas and those that were not mass shooting?

To compare what’s happening in Texas to other states.

They’re the biggest mass shootings with at least 10 deaths or at least 20 deaths/injured combined in the last 10 years.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Anyone can obtain a gun legally or illegally, that's not an opinion it is a fact.

He could have just as easily waited until recess and just mowed the kids down with grandma's pickup if he couldn't get access to a gun.

Apparently you don’t know the difference between an opinion and a fact. We don’t know if he would have illegally been able to purchase one. And we also need strict penalties for people who illegally sell them.

Post your evidence for believing he would be able to kill that many people with a truck that he crashed all by himself. He chose the gun for a reason - he wanted to do maximum damage. You just want to play stupid.

 

[eagle1462010]

That opinion of yours is just that, an opinion. We don’t know if Ramos would have been able to get a gun. He was a loner.

And here’s your terrible record of mass shootings. I looked at the last 10 years of the worst mass shootings. I only looked at the ones with at least 10 deaths or at least 20 deaths/injured combined.

Incident: Robb Elementary School Shooting, 2022
Deaths: 22 deaths, 18 injured
Location: Uvalde, Texas

Incident: Buffalo Tops Supermarket Shooting, 2022
Deaths: 10 deaths, 3 injured
Location: Buffalo, New York

Incident: New York City Subway Attack, 2022
Deaths: 0 deaths, 29 injured
Location: New York City, New York

Incident: Hialeah Concert Shooting, 2021
Deaths: 3 deaths, 20 injured
Location: Hialeah, Florida

Incident: Santa Clara Transportation Rail Yard, 2021
Deaths: 10 deaths, 0 injured
Location: San Jose, California

Incident: Boulder Supermarket Shooting, 2021
Deaths: 10 deaths, 2 injured
Location: Boulder, Colorado

Incident: Washington DC Block Party Shooting, 2020
Deaths: 1 death, 21 injured
Location: Washington D.C.

Incident: West Texas Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 8 deaths, 25 injured
Location: Uvalde, Texas

Incident: Dayton Bar Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 10 deaths, 27 injured
Location: Dayton, Ohio

Incident: El Paso Walmart Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 23 deaths, 23 injured
Location: El Paso, Texas

Incident: Virginia Beach Shooting, 2019
Deaths: 13 deaths, 5 injured
Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia

Incident: Thousand Oaks Bar Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 13 deaths, 16 injured
Location: Thousand Oaks, California

Incident: Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 11 deaths, 7 injured
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Incident: Art All Night Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 1 death, 22 injured
Location: Trenton, New Jersey

Incident: Santa Fe High School Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 10 deaths, 14 injured
Location: Santa Fe, Texas

Incident: Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting, 2018
Deaths: 17 deaths, 17 injured
Location: Parkland, Florida

Incident: Sutherland Springs Church Shooting, 2017
Deaths: 27 deaths, 22 injured
Location: Sutherland Springs, Texas

Incident: Las Vegas Country Music Festival Shooting, 2017
Deaths: 61 deaths, 411 injured
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Incident: Little Rock Nightclub Shooting, 2016
Deaths: 0 deaths, 28 injured
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Incident: Orlando Nightclub Shooting, 2016
Deaths: 50 deaths, 58 injured
Location: Orlando, Florida

Incident: San Bernadino Attack, 2015
Deaths: 16 deaths, 22 injured
Location: San Bernadino, California

Incident: Umpqua Community College Shooting, 2015
Deaths: 10 deaths, 8 injured
Location: Roseburg, Oregon

Incident: Waco Shootout, 2015
Deaths: 9 deaths, 18 injured
Location: Waco, Texas

Incident: Isla Vista Killings, 2014
Deaths: 7 deaths, 13 injured
Location: Isla Vista, California

Incident: Washington Navy Yard Shooting, 2013
Deaths: 13 deaths, 8 injured
Location: Washington, D.C.

Incident: Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting, 2012
Deaths: 28 deaths, 2 injured
Location: Newtown, Connecticut

Incident: Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater Shooting, 2012
Deaths: 12 deaths, 70 injured
Location: Aurora, Colorado

===========================================
Results: Everything is bigger in Texas.

Texas: 99 deaths, 120 injured, 6 mass shootings.
Florida: 70 deaths, 95 injured, 3 mass shooting.
Nevada: 61 deaths, 411 injured, 1 mass shooting.
California: 46 deaths, 51 injured, 4 mass shootings.
Connecticut: 28 deaths, 2 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Colorado: 22 deaths, 72 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Washington D.C.: 14 deaths, 29 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Virginia: 13 deaths, 5 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Pennsylvania: 11 deaths, 7 injured, 1 mass shooting.
New York: 10 deaths, 32 injured, 2 mass shootings.
Ohio: 10 deaths, 27 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Oregon: 10 deaths, 8 injured, 1 mass shooting.
New Jersey: 1 death, 22 injured, 1 mass shooting.
Arkansas: 0 deaths, 28 injured, 1 mass shooting.

Maybe you guys should address this issue. Crazy idea I know.

338 million people. Per capita that aint shit. For schools by themselves even less.

But you would punish the innocent for the acts of a few. Nope

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Apparently you don’t know the difference between an opinion and a fact. We don’t know if he would have illegally been able to purchase one.

It is a fact, you can buy a gun illegally in any city in the US in about an hour.