Who it the author of fascism?

[Rigby5]

Correct, the Amish have such a society that people can opt out of at any time.

And it is all held together by their faith.

Nothing is forced.

No need to hire 80,000 new IRS agents with guns like Biden

Yes.
All historic human societies have been tribal and socialist.
It is only when you try to scale up, and people are all strangers to each other, that socialism is much harder to keep from getting abused.

 

[Votto]

You NEVER allow "free trade".
That allows the use of force as with monopolies, colonization through the use of armed forces, etc.
Government oversight of regulating commerce is to prevent abuses, not to centralize the profits.
There does not have to ever be any "redistribution of wealth" in socialism.
But if everyone invests in a public means of production, then all should benefit appropriately from it.

If individuals want to make their own means of production in order to make their own profits from it, that harms no one else and is fine under socialism.
Socialism in no way implies any central control over profit making, as long as it is not illegally coercive.

No one cares about experimental socialistic experiments, only those mandated for all, with the power of the state behind it.

No one minds the Amish plowing their fields and choosing the live the way they want, but they do mind being raped by taxes and inflation and redistributing wealth of citizens as the government sees fit.

 

[Rigby5]

Corporations are only as powerful as government makes them

Oh that I totally disagree with.
There have been corporations that can afford to hire enough mercenaries to totally take over any government.
Corporations are the biggest danger of all, because they can be multi-national and have more violent resources than any democratic population.

As a matter of fact, WWII was an example of the corporate takeover of the German government.

 

[surada]

Thats because Fascism IS of the Left. The lie that it is of the right is more made-up crap.

Giovanni Gentile | Italian philosopher

Giovanni Gentile, (born May 30, 1875, Castelvetrano, Italy—died April 15, 1944, Florence), major figure in Italian idealist philosophy, politician, educator, and editor, sometimes called the “philosopher of Fascism.” His “actual idealism” shows the strong influence of G.W.F. Hegel. After a...

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[Votto]

Yes.
All historic human societies have been tribal and socialist.
It is only when you try to scale up, and people are all strangers to each other, that socialism is much harder to keep from getting abused.

Collectivism is getting large groups of people to seek power over lesser groups.

This is the joy of socialism, at least, the standard usage.

All that matters is the power of the group you are associated with.

As a result, I would not even refer to the Amish as socialist.

This is not their mind set.

 

[Rigby5]

No one cares about experimental socialistic experiments, only those mandated for all, with the power of the state behind it.

No one minds the Amish plowing their fields and choosing the live the way they want, but they do mind being raped by taxes and inflation and redistributing wealth of citizens as the government sees fit.

Socialism is the natural state of all human societies and the only practical way to run any society.
If taxes are abusive, that is not socialism, but where capitalists have taken over the government.
With socialism, the people have to be in control of government instead, so then taxes could never be abusive under socialism.
Socialism is the people.
When you talk about a wealthy elite being abusive, that is always capitalism.

 

[Votto]

Oh that I totally disagree with.
There have been corporations that can afford to hire enough mercenaries to totally take over any government.
Corporations are the biggest danger of all, because they can be multi-national and have more violent resources than any democratic population.

As a matter of fact, WWII was an example of the corporate takeover of the German government.

What are you babbling about? What corporation took over the German government?

Was Hitler a CEO?

 

[Moonglow]

Is Fascism Right or Left?

Does anyone know who is credited with being the author of fascism? Well for capitalism we have Adam Smith and for Marxism we have Karl Marx, but who is credited for fascism? Don't worry, none of you know, and that is the way the Left wants it.

The author if none other than Giovanni Gentile, a socialist

The fascist of ancient Rome-duh.

 

[surada]

The fascist of ancient Rome-duh.

He was conservative.

Gentile, Giovanni (1875–1944) | Encyclopedia.com

GENTILE, GIOVANNI(1875–1944) Giovanni Gentile was one of the major figures in the resurgence of Hegelian idealism in Italy at the begi Source for information on Gentile, Giovanni (1875–1944): Encyclopedia of Philosophy dictionary.

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[Rigby5]

Collectivism is getting large groups of people to seek power over lesser groups.

This is the joy of socialism, at least, the standard usage.

All that matters is the power of the group you are associated with.

As a result, I would not even refer to the Amish as socialist.

This is not their mind set.

Wrong.
Again, anyone claiming that socialism, collectivism, cooperation, communalism is about power or political force, does not know what they are talking about.

Socialism, collectivism, cooperation, communalism is purely about economic voluntary creation of shared means of production. Like a farm community that decides the whole area would benefit from a grain elevator, so pool resource and build a communal one, cooperatively.

 

[Rigby5]

As a result, I would not even refer to the Amish as socialist.

This is not their mind set.

Yes it is, as in communal, cooperative, and collective barn raising.
They are not just profit motivated.
They value other things more than profits.

 

[Rigby5]

He was conservative.

Gentile, Giovanni (1875–1944) | Encyclopedia.com

GENTILE, GIOVANNI(1875–1944) Giovanni Gentile was one of the major figures in the resurgence of Hegelian idealism in Italy at the begi Source for information on Gentile, Giovanni (1875–1944): Encyclopedia of Philosophy dictionary.

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{... In 1922 Gentile became minister of education in Benito Mussolini's first Cabinet, and in this capacity he reformed and reorganized the whole Italian school system. After his resignation in 1924 he became the first president of the National Fascist Institute of Culture; he remained for the rest of his life the most prominent publicist of the regime and the self-styled "philosopher of fascism." ,,,}

It would seem so, since Mussolini appointed him, and Mussolini was the front man for the Italian capitalist oligarchy.
Fascism is always a capitalist oligarchy.
A coalition of wealthy elite.

 

[Likkmee]

Is Fascism Right or Left?

Does anyone know who is credited with being the author of fascism? Well for capitalism we have Adam Smith and for Marxism we have Karl Marx, but who is credited for fascism? Don't worry, none of you know, and that is the way the Left wants it.

The author if none other than Giovanni Gentile, a socialist

Presctott Bush ?

 

[Votto]

Socialism is the natural state of all human societies and the only practical way to run any society.
If taxes are abusive, that is not socialism, but where capitalists have taken over the government.
With socialism, the people have to be in control of government instead, so then taxes could never be abusive under socialism.
Socialism is the people.
When you talk about a wealthy elite being abusive, that is always capitalism.

You can define socialism any way you wish.

But the bottom line is, those groups in power are the only ones to be able to exert their power over other groups, and they do every time. It is simply human nature. Marx did not invent socialism, he merely expanded on it. In fact, in ancient Greece Plato wrote the Republic in which citizens lived for a group of elitists who regulated and managed everything they did. But to be fair, Plato knew such a system was not doable. Marx was not as bright, however.

The more power given to them, the worse the abuse.

 

[FA_Q2]

Can the right be authoritarian?

Your problem is you are using an asinine dumbed down version of politics. It is not simply a left right dichotomy, politics is far more complicated then that. Fascism is essentially what we call authoritarianism on the right and the right can, indeed, be authoritarian. It is usually centered around gaining power by backing a strong military, a strong sense of nationalism and leaves in place the concept of property ownership while controlling its use.

None of those things are hallmarks of the 'left.' And small government? That is not a hallmark of the right. It is just a platitude that is repeated over and over again by the right as they increase the size and scope of the government. I cannot recall a single 'right wing' administration that has scaled back the government.