Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[Rustic]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who's Afraid of Socialism?
That's a good question for everyone fleeing socialism.

Yep...

 

[Rustic]

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Who gives a s*** about Marxist theory --irrelevant and totally discredited... What we need is more benefits for our middle class like other successful countries. Good Health Care system 1 month vacations at least living wage cheap college and training good infrastructure for crying out loud.....

The GOP giveaway to the rich and screw the rest is ruining the country, for all the talk of boom times. Doesn't work for the 50%.

I wouldn't apply government to our economic decisions at all.

Democracy is fine for social decisions that actually require conformity. When we all need to be on the same page and must agree on a singular solution, democracy's not a bad way to go.
But most of the time that kind of conformity isn't required and freedom is a better approach.

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Hocus-pocus.

Socialism now is defined as fair capitalism always Democratic with a good safety net. It works for the people and every other successful country and they are a lot happier than we are. Thanks GOP and silly dupes like you. Living wage Health Care daycare cheap college are not hard to take unless you are brainwashed.

That's the way you define it, but nobody else.

Not among the GOP Cold War dinosaur DOops, that's for sure. Bernie Sanders is a socialist.I'm trying to tell you you are clueless about what the world is. Communism is a dictatorship that owns all business and industry. They are different everywhere but confused dupe world.

Na, not really

 

[francoHFW]

I wouldn't apply government to our economic decisions at all.

Democracy is fine for social decisions that actually require conformity. When we all need to be on the same page and must agree on a singular solution, democracy's not a bad way to go.
But most of the time that kind of conformity isn't required and freedom is a better approach.

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Who gives a s*** about Marxist theory --irrelevant and totally discredited... What we need is more benefits for our middle class like other successful countries. Good Health Care system 1 month vacations at least living wage cheap college and training good infrastructure for crying out loud.....

The GOP giveaway to the rich and screw the rest is ruining the country, for all the talk of boom times. Doesn't work for the 50%.

If Democracy is a problem, what form of government would you recommend?

I wouldn't apply government to our economic decisions at all.

Democracy is fine for social decisions that actually require conformity. When we all need to be on the same page and must agree on a singular solution, democracy's not a bad way to go.
But most of the time that kind of conformity isn't required and freedom is a better approach.

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Hocus-pocus.

Socialism now is defined as fair capitalism always Democratic with a good safety net. It works for the people and every other successful country and they are a lot happier than we are. Thanks GOP and silly dupes like you. Living wage Health Care daycare cheap college are not hard to take unless you are brainwashed.

Lol
Happy? What are you some type a pussy?

The Great American public has arrived.... You seem to enjoy suffering and worshipping the rich, it's just unbelievable LOL.

 

[Rustic]

I fear socialism for the same reasons I fear theocracy. It simply gives government too much power.

Democracy is the problem with socialism. It's a bug, not a feature.

If Democracy is a problem, what form of government would you recommend?

I wouldn't apply government to our economic decisions at all.

Democracy is fine for social decisions that actually require conformity. When we all need to be on the same page and must agree on a singular solution, democracy's not a bad way to go.
But most of the time that kind of conformity isn't required and freedom is a better approach.

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Who gives a s*** about Marxist theory --irrelevant and totally discredited... What we need is more benefits for our middle class like other successful countries. Good Health Care system 1 month vacations at least living wage cheap college and training good infrastructure for crying out loud.....

Do you believe "politics is the shadow cast on society by big business"?

If so, how likely is it the richest one percent will interrupt their forty year pillage to fund quality healthcare, free college, and good infrastructure?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"Regarding developments in the United States during this era (roughly 1980-2015), Jenkins highlights the nature in which political parties and the political system itself are inherently designed to protect the economic base of capitalism and, in doing so, have become 'increasingly centralized, coordinated, and synchronized over the past half-century.'

"This, according to Jenkins, has led to a 'corporate-fascistic state of being' that is challenging the equilibrium of this fragile relationship.

"His analysis specifically addresses the role of both major parties, Democrats and Republicans, in the United States:

"It reminds us of John Dewey's claim that, 'As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance.' In the US, the two-party political system has proven extremely effective in this regard.

"Aside from differences on social issues like abortion and gay marriage, as well as socioeconomic issues like unemployment insurance and public assistance, both parties ultimately embrace capitalist/corporatist interests in that they both serve as facilitators for the dominant classes:

"The Republican Party in its role as forerunner, pushing the limits of the capitalist model to the brink of fascism; and the Democratic Party in its role as governor, providing intermittent degrees of slack and pull against this inevitable move towards a 'corporate-fascistic state of being.[17]"

Every real conservative/libertarian will parish if made to live under the thumb of European socialism... But then again that is the goal. Lol

 

[Rustic]

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Who gives a s*** about Marxist theory --irrelevant and totally discredited... What we need is more benefits for our middle class like other successful countries. Good Health Care system 1 month vacations at least living wage cheap college and training good infrastructure for crying out loud.....

The GOP giveaway to the rich and screw the rest is ruining the country, for all the talk of boom times. Doesn't work for the 50%.

I wouldn't apply government to our economic decisions at all.

Democracy is fine for social decisions that actually require conformity. When we all need to be on the same page and must agree on a singular solution, democracy's not a bad way to go.
But most of the time that kind of conformity isn't required and freedom is a better approach.

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Hocus-pocus.

Socialism now is defined as fair capitalism always Democratic with a good safety net. It works for the people and every other successful country and they are a lot happier than we are. Thanks GOP and silly dupes like you. Living wage Health Care daycare cheap college are not hard to take unless you are brainwashed.

Lol
Happy? What are you some type a pussy?

The Great American public has arrived.... You seem to enjoy suffering and worshipping the rich, it's just unbelievable LOL.

Lol
I’m doing just fine, I would die under European socialism that being someone else controlling every aspect of my life.

 

[dblack]

The decision to keep economic power in the hands of private concerns, separate from government, is perhaps the most underrated genius of the founders.

 

[Rustic]

The decision to keep economic power in the hands of private concerns, separate from government, is perhaps the most underrated genius of the founders.

Yep, Because everyone with any common sense knows the federal government fucks everything up it touches

 

[georgephillip]

Government can't bail anyone out without taking the money from someone else first.

Why does the US government take the money from those who have the least?

Income Inequality - Inequality.org

Why does the US government take the money from those who have the least?

Because...….stop smoking that crap, I don't care if they made it legal.

• In 2015, the top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.2 percent of all individual income taxes while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.8 percent.
• The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (39.0 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (29.4 percent).
• The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 27.1 percent individual income tax rate, which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (3.6 percent).

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2017 Update

"Income disparities have become so pronounced that America’s top 10 percent now average more than nine times as much income as the bottom 90 percent. Americans in the top 1 percent tower stunningly higher.

"They average over 40 times more income than the bottom 90 percent.

"But that gap pales in comparison to the divide between the nation’s top 0.1 percent and everyone else. Americans at this lofty level are taking in over 198 times the income of the bottom 90 percent."

Income Inequality - Inequality.org

Earners in the bottom 90% are more likely to be engaged in productive employment as opposed to rigging the foreign currency exchange, and total taxes eat up a much bigger portion of their take home pay than the 0.1% fat (felonious) cats.

Government should use progressive federal and state income taxes to ensure fat cats shoulder the same total tax burden as those whose middle class jobs were shipped to Mexico and China by the richest 0.1%

How much anybody makes or how little they make is none of your fucking business and certainly none of the federal government business

"'The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector.' --Paul Craig Roberts"

LF: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza

 

[Rustic]

Government can't bail anyone out without taking the money from someone else first.

Why does the US government take the money from those who have the least?

Income Inequality - Inequality.org

Why does the US government take the money from those who have the least?

Because...….stop smoking that crap, I don't care if they made it legal.

• In 2015, the top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.2 percent of all individual income taxes while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.8 percent.
• The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (39.0 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (29.4 percent).
• The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 27.1 percent individual income tax rate, which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (3.6 percent).

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2017 Update

"Income disparities have become so pronounced that America’s top 10 percent now average more than nine times as much income as the bottom 90 percent. Americans in the top 1 percent tower stunningly higher.

"They average over 40 times more income than the bottom 90 percent.

"But that gap pales in comparison to the divide between the nation’s top 0.1 percent and everyone else. Americans at this lofty level are taking in over 198 times the income of the bottom 90 percent."

Income Inequality - Inequality.org

Earners in the bottom 90% are more likely to be engaged in productive employment as opposed to rigging the foreign currency exchange, and total taxes eat up a much bigger portion of their take home pay than the 0.1% fat (felonious) cats.

Government should use progressive federal and state income taxes to ensure fat cats shoulder the same total tax burden as those whose middle class jobs were shipped to Mexico and China by the richest 0.1%

How much anybody makes or how little they make is none of your fucking business and certainly none of the federal government business

"'The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector.' --Paul Craig Roberts"

LF: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza

The collective is always been all about evil and control

 

[dblack]

The decision to keep economic power in the hands of private concerns, separate from government, is perhaps the most underrated genius of the founders.

Yep, Because everyone with any common sense knows the federal government fucks everything up it touches

No. Because they valued freedom more than power.

 

[Rustic]

The decision to keep economic power in the hands of private concerns, separate from government, is perhaps the most underrated genius of the founders.

Yep, Because everyone with any common sense knows the federal government fucks everything up it touches

No. Because they valued freedom more than power.

The collective has never been about freedom

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

 

[dblack]

The decision to keep economic power in the hands of private concerns, separate from government, is perhaps the most underrated genius of the founders.

Yep, Because everyone with any common sense knows the federal government fucks everything up it touches

No. Because they valued freedom more than power.

The collective has never been about freedom

uh... ok?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Socialism is a form of slavery.
Liberals are dangerous idiots.

 

[Rustic]

The decision to keep economic power in the hands of private concerns, separate from government, is perhaps the most underrated genius of the founders.

Yep, Because everyone with any common sense knows the federal government fucks everything up it touches

No. Because they valued freedom more than power.

The collective has never been about freedom

uh... ok?

 

[francoHFW]

Who gives a s*** about Marxist theory --irrelevant and totally discredited... What we need is more benefits for our middle class like other successful countries. Good Health Care system 1 month vacations at least living wage cheap college and training good infrastructure for crying out loud.....

The GOP giveaway to the rich and screw the rest is ruining the country, for all the talk of boom times. Doesn't work for the 50%.

Who would control production in your system?

Base and superstructure - Wikipedia

"In Marxist theory, capitalist society consists of two parts: the base (or substructure) and superstructure.

"The base comprises the forces and relations of production (e.g. employer–employee work conditions, the technical division of labour, and property relations) into which people enter to produce the necessities and amenities of life.

"The base determines society's other relationships and ideas to comprise its superstructure, including its culture, institutions, political power structures, roles, rituals, and state.

"While the relation of the two parts is not strictly unidirectional, as the superstructure often affects the base, the influence of the base is predominant. Marx and Engels warned against such economic determinism.[1]"

Hocus-pocus.

Socialism now is defined as fair capitalism always Democratic with a good safety net. It works for the people and every other successful country and they are a lot happier than we are. Thanks GOP and silly dupes like you. Living wage Health Care daycare cheap college are not hard to take unless you are brainwashed.

Lol
Happy? What are you some type a pussy?

The Great American public has arrived.... You seem to enjoy suffering and worshipping the rich, it's just unbelievable LOL.

Lol
I’m doing just fine, I would die under European socialism that being someone else controlling every aspect of my life.

Yep, giving you living wage good Healthcare daycare paid parental leave good infrastructure good vacations cheap college and training just horrible. And just more taxes on the rich -- IDcard to end llegals. Just terrible, super duper.

 

[Rustic]

The GOP giveaway to the rich and screw the rest is ruining the country, for all the talk of boom times. Doesn't work for the 50%.

Hocus-pocus.

Socialism now is defined as fair capitalism always Democratic with a good safety net. It works for the people and every other successful country and they are a lot happier than we are. Thanks GOP and silly dupes like you. Living wage Health Care daycare cheap college are not hard to take unless you are brainwashed.

Lol
Happy? What are you some type a pussy?

The Great American public has arrived.... You seem to enjoy suffering and worshipping the rich, it's just unbelievable LOL.

Lol
I’m doing just fine, I would die under European socialism that being someone else controlling every aspect of my life.

Yep, giving you living wage good Healthcare daycare paid parental leave good infrastructure good vacations cheap college and training just horrible. And just more taxes on the rich -- IDcard to end llegals. Just terrible, super duper.

I want nothing to do with that shit, you guys can keep that to yourselves... don’t expect the rest of us to want anything to do with it...

The nanny state has no appeal to me

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is a form of slavery.
Liberals are dangerous idiots.

What do you call socialism? LOL
"We are all socialists now!" -Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed.

 

[Rustic]

Socialism is a form of slavery.
Liberals are dangerous idiots.

What do you call socialism? LOL
"We are all socialists now!" -Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed.

 

[dblack]

"'The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector.' --Paul Craig Roberts"

The biggest mistake Paul Craig Roberts makes (at least in this quote), is assuming that anyone who self identifies as a libertarian is a valid representation of the actual ideology. Libertarians don't think that government is always bad and the private sector is always good. But they don't buy the reverse either.

And libertarians are all too aware that people are the same whether working for government or for private interests. That's why we think giving them too much power is a very bad idea.