Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[Marion Morrison]

Are you lying that Japan is a socialist country, Comrade?

It thinks it is, but you Republican Foxbots know better than everyone LOL...

Japan thinks it is Socialist?

You get dumber as the dementia progresses..

I think Japan has faire capitalism with a good safety net and is very democratic. Sir everywhere outside the GO garbage propaganda bin, yes it is. Socialist no longer means communist and the rest of the world, super duper cold war dinosaur GOP dingbat.
Socialist International - Wikipedia

Mkay - so if socialism is just capitalism only spelled different, why do we need two words? Why does anything need to change?

Fair capitalism with a good safety net is a lot different from what we have, Savage GOP capitalism still and a robbery giveaway to the rich. Only propaganda and dupes like you make it possible.

Oh look! Another leftist shill. Franco Dupe-de-Dupe. What an asshole.

 

[francoHFW]

It thinks it is, but you Republican Foxbots know better than everyone LOL...

Japan thinks it is Socialist?

You get dumber as the dementia progresses..

I think Japan has faire capitalism with a good safety net and is very democratic. Sir everywhere outside the GO garbage propaganda bin, yes it is. Socialist no longer means communist and the rest of the world, super duper cold war dinosaur GOP dingbat.
Socialist International - Wikipedia

Mkay - so if socialism is just capitalism only spelled different, why do we need two words? Why does anything need to change?

Fair capitalism with a good safety net is a lot different from what we have, Savage GOP capitalism still and a robbery giveaway to the rich. Only propaganda and dupes like you make it possible.

Oh look! Another leftist shill. Franco Dupe-de-Dupe. What an asshole.

Dupe talking points and stupid insults seem to be all you have big boy. What do you have against fair capitalism like every other rich country has, and how about a ID card to end illegal immigration like they have? You people are morons and no I don't want to go there LOL

 

[francoHFW]

And Democrats are centrist pragmatics oh, it's just that you people are off the right end of the flat Earth. You live on an imagine dairy planet where the rich pay the taxes and your jobs depend on them. Absolute idiocy and cowardice.

 

[dblack]

Fair capitalism with a good safety net is a lot different from what we have, Savage GOP capitalism still and a robbery giveaway to the rich. Only propaganda and dupes like you make it possible.

Is "Fair capitalism" a reference to the kinds of policies progressives have been pushing? (price and wage controls, discriminatory taxation, mandates, more regulation, etc...)
Because if you want to deny that's socialism, that's ok. Whatever you call, I'm against it. Clear?

 

[francoHFW]

Fair capitalism with a good safety net is a lot different from what we have, Savage GOP capitalism still and a robbery giveaway to the rich. Only propaganda and dupes like you make it possible.

none of that, how about a living wage Good Health Care daycare paid parental leave one-month vacation after a year cheap college and training good infrastructure. Because this giveaway to the rich GOP mess is killing the country. Only the rich are prospering

Is "Fair capitalism" a reference to the kinds of policies progressives have been pushing? (price and wage controls, discriminatory taxation, mandates, more regulation, etc...)
Because if you want to deny that's socialism, that's ok. Whatever you call, I'm against it. Clear?

 

[francoHFW]

Fair capitalism with a good safety net is a lot different from what we have, Savage GOP capitalism still and a robbery giveaway to the rich. Only propaganda and dupes like you make it possible.

none of that, how about a living wage Good Health Care daycare paid parental leave one-month vacation after a year cheap college and training good infrastructure. Because this giveaway to the rich GOP mess is killing the country. Only the rich are prospering

Is "Fair capitalism" a reference to the kinds of policies progressives have been pushing? (price and wage controls, discriminatory taxation, mandates, more regulation, etc...)
Because if you want to deny that's socialism, that's ok. Whatever you call, I'm against it. Clear?

And an ID card to end illegal immigration. Like every other rich country has that needs it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Anybody with any common sense or capacity to commit logic is afraid of socialism. All you have to do is look at Venezuela to see why you have to be insane to adopt such economic policies.

For christ fkin sake dude. Venezuela is a universe away from what we are and do. Just stop. Even amongst the left we understand that America was born and succeeded primarily as a capitalist nation and we still want that core. The failure of capitalism is negative externalities, failed markets, an aversion to even trying to fix problems, growing economic inequality. What we want is to use more a socialist toolset to address some of these problems as we've seen other nations successfully do and on the name of the well being of the people. No one here is saying let's be Venezuela. So seriously stfu and turn off your rotten news source.

Venezuela and its economy are also victims of US sanctions:

Trump’s Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela US$6bn Since August 2017

With right-wing governments in Colombia and Brazil, Trump and Pence have Venezuela in their regime change cross hairs.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Years and years of neglect of their oil industry won't be fixed soon even if Maduro eats a much deserved magazine of 7.62.

The usual covert Republican sabotage in Latin America... A disgrace.

Yeah, we covertly let Chavez loot and ruin Venezuela to the point where the nation with the most oil reserves in the whole damn world can't afford food and toilet people for its starving citizens. Moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Socialism has no morality

Capitalism has the slave owner's morality.

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

No slavery in the USSR, eh comrade?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Anybody with any common sense or capacity to commit logic is afraid of socialism. All you have to do is look at Venezuela to see why you have to be insane to adopt such economic policies.

For christ fkin sake dude. Venezuela is a universe away from what we are and do. Just stop. Even amongst the left we understand that America was born and succeeded primarily as a capitalist nation and we still want that core. The failure of capitalism is negative externalities, failed markets, an aversion to even trying to fix problems, growing economic inequality. What we want is to use more a socialist toolset to address some of these problems as we've seen other nations successfully do and on the name of the well being of the people. No one here is saying let's be Venezuela. So seriously stfu and turn off your rotten news source.

Venezuela and its economy are also victims of US sanctions:

Trump’s Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela US$6bn Since August 2017

With right-wing governments in Colombia and Brazil, Trump and Pence have Venezuela in their regime change cross hairs.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Years and years of neglect of their oil industry won't be fixed soon even if Maduro eats a much deserved magazine of 7.62.

Tell your fuhrer to lift his sanctions and cease his efforts at regime change, and Venezuela will recover without any further "free market" murders.
"A Coup in Progress? Venezuelan Foreign Minister Decries U.S. & Brazil-Backed Effort to Oust Maduro..."

A Coup in Progress? Venezuelan Foreign Minister Decries U.S. & Brazil-Backed Effort to Oust Maduro | Democracy Now!

"The United States, Brazil and other nations have welcomed the effort.

"Vice President Mike Pence tweeted, the U.S. 'strongly supports the courageous decision by Juan Guaidó' to 'declare the country’s presidency vacant.'

"On the day of Maruro’s inauguration, January 10th, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called Guaidó to congratulate him on his election victory to head the National Assembly.

"Then, national security adviser John Bolton announced, quote, 'The United States does not recognize Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro’s illegitimate claim to power,' unquote.

"Brazil, now led by the far-right President Jair Bolsonaro, has gone a step further by saying it recognizes Juan Guaidó as the rightful president of Venezuela, even though Guaidó himself hasn’t even claimed that title.

"A group of Latin American countries known as the Lima Group also recently voted to not recognize the legitimacy of Maduro’s presidency.

"Mexico was the sole dissenter."

Tell your fuhrer to lift his sanctions and cease his efforts at regime change, and Venezuela will recover without any further "free market" murders.

Nearly 200 nations in the world Venezuela can trade with, why do they need the US?
The people united will never be defeated!

 

[francoHFW]

Anybody with any common sense or capacity to commit logic is afraid of socialism. All you have to do is look at Venezuela to see why you have to be insane to adopt such economic policies.

For christ fkin sake dude. Venezuela is a universe away from what we are and do. Just stop. Even amongst the left we understand that America was born and succeeded primarily as a capitalist nation and we still want that core. The failure of capitalism is negative externalities, failed markets, an aversion to even trying to fix problems, growing economic inequality. What we want is to use more a socialist toolset to address some of these problems as we've seen other nations successfully do and on the name of the well being of the people. No one here is saying let's be Venezuela. So seriously stfu and turn off your rotten news source.

Venezuela and its economy are also victims of US sanctions:

Trump’s Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela US$6bn Since August 2017

With right-wing governments in Colombia and Brazil, Trump and Pence have Venezuela in their regime change cross hairs.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Years and years of neglect of their oil industry won't be fixed soon even if Maduro eats a much deserved magazine of 7.62.

The usual covert Republican sabotage in Latin America... A disgrace.

Yeah, we covertly let Chavez loot and ruin Venezuela to the point where the nation with the most oil reserves in the whole damn world can't afford food and toilet people for its starving citizens. Moron.

No you covertly screwed Venezuela and overly screwed Venezuela with the 2008 World depression. Great job. And it is totally irrelevant to this argument anyway the United States is not Venezuela. We are a screwed over GOP Mess.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why would anyone be afraid of something that has failed everytime it has been used?

Socialism "fails" because capitalists control world reserve currencies, the IMF and World Bank, and the most powerful military in history.

Andrew Neil on Twitter

Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

Hold your breath, that will end capitalism faster.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Socialism has no morality

Capitalism has the slave owner's morality.

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

Lol
Who sold the slaves to the plantation owners… other Africans the dumbass fucker

How many of the "other Africans" became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

Lol
Africans were selling other Africans long before the United States was formed so shut the fuck up

The parasitic life style that you and I and all other Americans enjoy today was made possible by chattel slavery; sorry if you find reality upsetting.

Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

"So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories."

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

And 5 years later, that asset was gone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

200 million butchered by Socialism in the 20th century, but georgephillip doesn't think there are enough dead yet.

He wants another 100 million dead by the end of the decade.

How many millions have died from capitalism over the past two hundred years, Adolph?

How many in the last 70 years?

Why My Communist Critics Are Wrong

How's that food and clean water thing working out in any of your worker's paradises?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

An overwhelming majority of Americans. GFY, Commie turd!

Americans like these, Pilgrim?

KKK invites North Carolina town to 'white only' cross-burning - theGrio

Bitch, my grandma stopped 3 KKK dudes from hanging her daddy with a butcher knife.

Cutcha.

Americans don't like smug Commies like you, faggot. Break bad and you'll get crushed.

What's your take on the Jews there, Mr. Tolerance?

Greedy Jews should stop stealing land and water that doesn't belong to them.

Maybe your imaginary grandma should bring her butcher knife to Jerusalem, Piss Ant.

Palestine didn't own any land in 1946.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For christ fkin sake dude. Venezuela is a universe away from what we are and do. Just stop. Even amongst the left we understand that America was born and succeeded primarily as a capitalist nation and we still want that core. The failure of capitalism is negative externalities, failed markets, an aversion to even trying to fix problems, growing economic inequality. What we want is to use more a socialist toolset to address some of these problems as we've seen other nations successfully do and on the name of the well being of the people. No one here is saying let's be Venezuela. So seriously stfu and turn off your rotten news source.

Venezuela and its economy are also victims of US sanctions:

Trump’s Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela US$6bn Since August 2017

With right-wing governments in Colombia and Brazil, Trump and Pence have Venezuela in their regime change cross hairs.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Years and years of neglect of their oil industry won't be fixed soon even if Maduro eats a much deserved magazine of 7.62.

The usual covert Republican sabotage in Latin America... A disgrace.

Yeah, we covertly let Chavez loot and ruin Venezuela to the point where the nation with the most oil reserves in the whole damn world can't afford food and toilet people for its starving citizens. Moron.

No you covertly screwed Venezuela and overly screwed Venezuela with the 2008 World depression. Great job. And it is totally irrelevant to this argument anyway the United States is not Venezuela. We are a screwed over GOP Mess.

If your country can only survive with $150 oil, you need a plan B, comrade.

 

[JWBooth]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Socialism is a failed economic and political notion, actual liberty and freedom ought to be tried next.

 

[Tehon]

American capitalism has gone global and you are not going to reign it in, or force it to pay for the well being of our society. Capitalism doesn't care about our well being. It will just seek out another host, which is why it went global in the first place. With the help of the useless American left, I might add.

I believe you're correct when you point out how capitalism has deserted its homelands, but, unless you're including Clinton and Obama as part of the American left, the blame lies mainly with Wall Street Democrats and crony-capitalist Republicans.

Wall Street First | Michael Hudson

"Trump is Obama’s Legacy. Will this Break up the Democratic Party?

"Nobody yet can (1/2017) tell whether Donald Trump is an agent of change with a specific policy in mind, or merely a catalyst heralding an as yet undetermined turning point.

"His first month in the White House saw him melting into the Republican mélange of corporate lobbyists. Having promised to create jobs, his 'America First' policy looks more like 'Wall Street First.'"

Yeah, I'm including them. They represent what is described as the "left" in America. Bill Clinton is the one who dragged the country further to the right with his Third Way - Wikipedia philosophy. But let's face it, they represent the ruling class and institute ruling class ideas. Much of the blame has to be leveled at the sheep that follow in the footsteps of the shepherds.

BTW, crony capitalism is a bs phrase meant to obscure the true nature of capitalism. It is a self serving ideology and always has been.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

An overwhelming majority of Americans. GFY, Commie turd!

Americans like these, Pilgrim?

KKK invites North Carolina town to 'white only' cross-burning - theGrio

Bitch, my grandma stopped 3 KKK dudes from hanging her daddy with a butcher knife.

Cutcha.

Americans don't like smug Commies like you, faggot. Break bad and you'll get crushed.

What's your take on the Jews there, Mr. Tolerance?

Greedy Jews should stop stealing land and water that doesn't belong to them.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https://media.giphy.com/media/GOXDFrZpjTlHG/giphy.gif&f=1:cuckoo:
Maybe your imaginary grandma should bring her butcher knife to Jerusalem, Piss Ant.

^Leftist who hates Jews, yet calls others "Nazi".

 

[georgephillip]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Socialism is a failed economic and political notion, actual liberty and freedom ought to be tried next.

Who controls the means of production in your economy based on "actual liberty and freedom," those who perform most of the labor or those who hoard most of the profit?

Chances Are, You're Already a Democratic Socialist | HuffPost

 

[Tehon]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

Some speculate, and I agree with them, that we already have it.

Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia