Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[georgephillip]

Americans like these, Pilgrim?

KKK invites North Carolina town to 'white only' cross-burning - theGrio

Bitch, my grandma stopped 3 KKK dudes from hanging her daddy with a butcher knife.

Cutcha.

Americans don't like smug Commies like you, faggot. Break bad and you'll get crushed.

What's your take on the Jews there, Mr. Tolerance?

Greedy Jews should stop stealing land and water that doesn't belong to them.

Maybe your imaginary grandma should bring her butcher knife to Jerusalem, Piss Ant.

Palestine didn't own any land in 1946.

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism never works, period. Yugoslavia had exactly the system you refer to, and it was an utter failure.

Where does capitalism work?

Everywhere it's tried.

Where? AnCap is still economic fiction not economic fact.

What the hell is "AnCap?"

Capitalism worked wonderfully in the USA, the UK, Hong Kong, Singapore and countless other countries.

Keep the gov out of my social security as the Don rube said

I doubt he said that.

 

[bripat9643]

Bitch, my grandma stopped 3 KKK dudes from hanging her daddy with a butcher knife.

Cutcha.

Americans don't like smug Commies like you, faggot. Break bad and you'll get crushed.

What's your take on the Jews there, Mr. Tolerance?

Greedy Jews should stop stealing land and water that doesn't belong to them.

Maybe your imaginary grandma should bring her butcher knife to Jerusalem, Piss Ant.

Palestine didn't own any land in 1946.

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

 

[Oddball]

Corporations are collectives.
How do you control their evil without government>

14 Most Evil Corporations

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism is a failed economic and political notion, actual liberty and freedom ought to be tried next.

Who controls the means of production in your economy based on "actual liberty and freedom," those who perform most of the labor or those who hoard most of the profit?

Chances Are, You're Already a Democratic Socialist | HuffPost

When people start talking talking "means of production" and "excess labor value", it means they produce nothing and never labor.

Oh yeah, and they're fucking Communist turds, too.

Were you stupid enough to vote for this turd?

Yes.

Of course you did.

https://psmag.com/news/trumps-appeal-to-the-cognitively-challenged

Other than your bias, what evidence is there to support that piece of shit propaganda?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialism is a failed economic and political notion, actual liberty and freedom ought to be tried next.

Who controls the means of production in your economy based on "actual liberty and freedom," those who perform most of the labor or those who hoard most of the profit?

Chances Are, You're Already a Democratic Socialist | HuffPost

When people start talking talking "means of production" and "excess labor value", it means they produce nothing and never labor.

Oh yeah, and they're fucking Communist turds, too.

Were you stupid enough to vote for this turd?

Yes.

Of course you did.

https://psmag.com/news/trumps-appeal-to-the-cognitively-challenged

Oh yes Nazi, More hatred and bigotry are the answer.



You mindless fuck.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Greedy Jews should stop stealing land and water that doesn't belong to them.

Maybe your imaginary grandma should bring her butcher knife to Jerusalem, Piss Ant.

Palestine didn't own any land in 1946.

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

George?

Yeah, he is a fucking Nazi, the real deal. He thinks Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS are the good guys.

 

[georgephillip]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who is afraid of socialism? Anyone who has studied the history of socialism.....and the mass murder and destruction it has created around the world starting in 1917 when socialism began gaining control of various countries around the world.....the 200 million innocent men, women and children slaughtered under socialist regimes should show anyone with a brain to be afraid of socialism. The western countries who are playing with socialism now, who have institutions that have slowed the advance of complete dominance of socialist control of their countries are just taking the slow walk to the horrors that other countries, without those safeguards, have experienced....

It wasn't socialists who invaded western Europe twice in the 20th Century; it was western capitalists looking to expand their empires:

"Estimated to be 10 million military dead, 7 million civilian deaths, 21 million wounded, and 7.7 million missing or imprisoned" (WWI)

"Over 60 million people died in World War II. Estimated deaths range from 50-80 million. 38 to 55 million civilians were killed, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine." (WWII)

World War I vs World War II - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Capitalism has killed hundreds of millions over the past five centuries with no end in sight.

 

[georgephillip]

Palestine didn't own any land in 1946.

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

George?

Yeah, he is a fucking Nazi, the real deal. He thinks Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS are the good guys.

Here's your hero, Adolph

Be sure to swallow before you bow.

 

[Oddball]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who is afraid of socialism? Anyone who has studied the history of socialism.....and the mass murder and destruction it has created around the world starting in 1917 when socialism began gaining control of various countries around the world.....the 200 million innocent men, women and children slaughtered under socialist regimes should show anyone with a brain to be afraid of socialism. The western countries who are playing with socialism now, who have institutions that have slowed the advance of complete dominance of socialist control of their countries are just taking the slow walk to the horrors that other countries, without those safeguards, have experienced....

It wasn't socialists who invaded western Europe twice in the 20th Century; it was western capitalists looking to expand their empires:

"Estimated to be 10 million military dead, 7 million civilian deaths, 21 million wounded, and 7.7 million missing or imprisoned" (WWI)

"Over 60 million people died in World War II. Estimated deaths range from 50-80 million. 38 to 55 million civilians were killed, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine." (WWII)

World War I vs World War II - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Capitalism has killed hundreds of millions over the past five centuries with no end in sight.

 

[francoHFW]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

Some speculate, and I agree with them, that we already have it.

Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia

Inverted

We would use labor credits as a medium of exchange in a socialist economy first before we would transition into a moneyless communist society.

Using labor credits as a medium of exchange seems similar in some ways to the notion debt and credit appeared historically before money?

Debt: The First 5000 Years - Wikipedia

"Debt: The First 5,000 Years is a book by anthropologist David Graeber published in 2011...."

"The author claims that debt and credit historically appeared before money, which itself appeared before barter. This is the opposite of the narrative given in standard economics texts dating back to Adam Smith.

"To support this, he cites numerous historical, ethnographic and archaeological studies. He also claims that the standard economics texts cite no evidence for suggesting that barter came before money, credit and debt, and he has seen no credible reports suggesting such.

"The primary theme of the book is that excessive popular indebtedness has sometimes led to unrest, insurrection, and revolt.

"He argues that credit systems originally developed as means of account long before the advent of coinage, which appeared around 600 BC.

"Credit can still be seen operating in non-monetary economies.

"Barter, on the other hand, seems primarily to have been used for limited exchanges between different societies that had infrequent contact and often were in a context of ritualized warfare."

I'm assuming the transition into a moneyless communist society would eliminate the existence of private fortunes and ritualized warfare?

Yes, socialism would eliminate the existence of private fortunes. And there would be no one to be indebted to. Capital would be no more.

Capital would still be the there. It would just be controlled by government instead of the people.

Mkay - so if socialism is just capitalism only spelled different, why do we need two words? Why does anything need to change?

Why would there be capital if we call it socialism?

Because words are just labels? Seriously?

Under socialism, government controls capital rather than private investors. You really don't get that? That's the whole point.

hat is com not socialism outside your bubble of BS, Cold War dinosaur GOP dupe

Greedy Jews should stop stealing land and water that doesn't belong to them.

Maybe your imaginary grandma should bring her butcher knife to Jerusalem, Piss Ant.

Palestine didn't own any land in 1946.

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

Perhaps he is only against nasty right-wing Israeli politicians like BB and Sharon who have done these land grabs and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

 

[bripat9643]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who is afraid of socialism? Anyone who has studied the history of socialism.....and the mass murder and destruction it has created around the world starting in 1917 when socialism began gaining control of various countries around the world.....the 200 million innocent men, women and children slaughtered under socialist regimes should show anyone with a brain to be afraid of socialism. The western countries who are playing with socialism now, who have institutions that have slowed the advance of complete dominance of socialist control of their countries are just taking the slow walk to the horrors that other countries, without those safeguards, have experienced....

It wasn't socialists who invaded western Europe twice in the 20th Century; it was western capitalists looking to expand their empires:

"Estimated to be 10 million military dead, 7 million civilian deaths, 21 million wounded, and 7.7 million missing or imprisoned" (WWI)

"Over 60 million people died in World War II. Estimated deaths range from 50-80 million. 38 to 55 million civilians were killed, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine." (WWII)

World War I vs World War II - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Capitalism has killed hundreds of millions over the past five centuries with no end in sight.

The USSR invaded Poland immediately following putting down the counter revolution. However, the Poles defeated them decisively. It then invaded Finland in 1937 and got its ass kicked. Then in 1939, in conjunction with Hitler, it invaded the Eastern half of Poland. It also invaded Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.

That's your idea of peace login socialism, apparently.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

George?

Yeah, he is a fucking Nazi, the real deal. He thinks Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS are the good guys.

Here's your hero, Adolph

Be sure to swallow before you bow.

They just don't come more stupid than you, Nazi boi.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who is afraid of socialism? Anyone who has studied the history of socialism.....and the mass murder and destruction it has created around the world starting in 1917 when socialism began gaining control of various countries around the world.....the 200 million innocent men, women and children slaughtered under socialist regimes should show anyone with a brain to be afraid of socialism. The western countries who are playing with socialism now, who have institutions that have slowed the advance of complete dominance of socialist control of their countries are just taking the slow walk to the horrors that other countries, without those safeguards, have experienced....

It wasn't socialists who invaded western Europe twice in the 20th Century; it was western capitalists looking to expand their empires:

"Estimated to be 10 million military dead, 7 million civilian deaths, 21 million wounded, and 7.7 million missing or imprisoned" (WWI)

"Over 60 million people died in World War II. Estimated deaths range from 50-80 million. 38 to 55 million civilians were killed, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine." (WWII)

World War I vs World War II - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Capitalism has killed hundreds of millions over the past five centuries with no end in sight.

How sad were you when the USSR fell apart?
Have you recovered yet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

Some speculate, and I agree with them, that we already have it.

Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia

Inverted

Using labor credits as a medium of exchange seems similar in some ways to the notion debt and credit appeared historically before money?

Debt: The First 5000 Years - Wikipedia

"Debt: The First 5,000 Years is a book by anthropologist David Graeber published in 2011...."

"The author claims that debt and credit historically appeared before money, which itself appeared before barter. This is the opposite of the narrative given in standard economics texts dating back to Adam Smith.

"To support this, he cites numerous historical, ethnographic and archaeological studies. He also claims that the standard economics texts cite no evidence for suggesting that barter came before money, credit and debt, and he has seen no credible reports suggesting such.

"The primary theme of the book is that excessive popular indebtedness has sometimes led to unrest, insurrection, and revolt.

"He argues that credit systems originally developed as means of account long before the advent of coinage, which appeared around 600 BC.

"Credit can still be seen operating in non-monetary economies.

"Barter, on the other hand, seems primarily to have been used for limited exchanges between different societies that had infrequent contact and often were in a context of ritualized warfare."

I'm assuming the transition into a moneyless communist society would eliminate the existence of private fortunes and ritualized warfare?

Yes, socialism would eliminate the existence of private fortunes. And there would be no one to be indebted to. Capital would be no more.

Capital would still be the there. It would just be controlled by government instead of the people.

Mkay - so if socialism is just capitalism only spelled different, why do we need two words? Why does anything need to change?

Why would there be capital if we call it socialism?

Because words are just labels? Seriously?

Under socialism, government controls capital rather than private investors. You really don't get that? That's the whole point.

hat is com not socialism outside your bubble of BS, Cold War dinosaur GOP dupe

Palestine didn't own any land in 1946.

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

Perhaps he is only against nasty right-wing Israeli politicians like BB and Sharon who have done these land grabs and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

They need an economy.....beyond bomb making and tunnel digging?

 

[georgephillip]

How many of the "other Africans" became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

Lol
Africans were selling other Africans long before the United States was formed so shut the fuck up

The parasitic life style that you and I and all other Americans enjoy today was made possible by chattel slavery; sorry if you find reality upsetting.

Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

"So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories."

Lol
The original slaveowners on this continent were American Indians… My ancestors

How many American Indians became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Transatlantic Slave Trade Database

"Some 12.5 million Africans were taken from their homes and forced aboard slave ships that were destined for the New World. About 10.7 million people survived the horrors of the Middle Passage between 1526 and 1866, only to end up in bondage on sugar, rice, cotton, and tobacco plantations throughout the Americas and the Caribbean."

Stop the bullcrap. Slavery is bad. The endless crying and begging is baby pussy to the max. Violence is the answer even after 25 trillion dollars has been spent on the war on poverty and the wrongs of the past. Endless resources has been spent. Believe it or not other people have problems also. If lies were not spread we woud be a better nation. For years there was bull spread that 200 million Africans came to the new world. Tell me if I stay married to raise kids even with issues and Whoopie Goldberg has 7 abortions that she is the angelic one. That she can can do what she wants because of protections but those who take any responsibility are demeaned, destroyed and called the worst names in this modern world. We saw it again yesterday in the women march. The dumb azz skanks do not even realize that they are the harbingers of western destruction.When people are poor enough they will learn. And Asia will rise as the new power.

China GDP per capita PPP | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

 

[francoHFW]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

Some speculate, and I agree with them, that we already have it.

Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia

Inverted

Yes, socialism would eliminate the existence of private fortunes. And there would be no one to be indebted to. Capital would be no more.

Capital would still be the there. It would just be controlled by government instead of the people.

Mkay - so if socialism is just capitalism only spelled different, why do we need two words? Why does anything need to change?

Why would there be capital if we call it socialism?

Because words are just labels? Seriously?

Under socialism, government controls capital rather than private investors. You really don't get that? That's the whole point.

hat is com not socialism outside your bubble of BS, Cold War dinosaur GOP dupe

Palestinians owned land, businesses, and bank accounts that were confiscated by European Jews in 1948:
Live From Occupied Palestine: Plan Dalet & Nakba By The Numbers

The Impact of the 1948 Desaster: The Ways that the Nakba has Influenced Palestinian History | Heinrich Böll Foundation

"The Material Impacts of 1948
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which actually began in the final days of November 1947 and technically lasted until the last armistice agreement was signed in July 1949, devastated the Arab sector of Palestine. Socio-economic structures, buildings and land, and demography all were irrevocably altered...."

"Palestinian spatial reality was drastically changed by the war and the refugee exodus. The refugees left behind somewhere between 360 and 429 villages, which Israeli authorities later destroyed.

"Only about 81 Palestinian villages emerged intact within Israel.

"Towns in Israel that formerly contained mixed Palestinian and Jewish populations, such as Jaffa, Haifa, and Tiberias, became largely Jewish towns with small Palestinian minorities after 1948.

"Only one Palestinian town in Israel, Nazareth, retained its Palestinian population and character.

"The Arab character of the West Bank and Gaza remained intact, however. Beyond the destruction of their villages, the refugees lost an immense amount of land in Israel.

"A study conducted from 1953-62 by the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) identified 6,057,032 dunums of individually-owned land (one dunum = 1,000 m.sq.) abandoned by refugees – a huge area, especially considering that before the war, Jews had owned only 1,734,000 dunums in all of Palestine, 6.59 percent of the total surface area."

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

Perhaps he is only against nasty right-wing Israeli politicians like BB and Sharon who have done these land grabs and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

They need an economy.....beyond bomb making and tunnel digging?

Duh...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

Some speculate, and I agree with them, that we already have it.

Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia

Inverted

Capital would still be the there. It would just be controlled by government instead of the people.

Mkay - so if socialism is just capitalism only spelled different, why do we need two words? Why does anything need to change?

Why would there be capital if we call it socialism?

Because words are just labels? Seriously?

Under socialism, government controls capital rather than private investors. You really don't get that? That's the whole point.

hat is com not socialism outside your bubble of BS, Cold War dinosaur GOP dupe

That's awful!
I'm glad their fellow Arabs took them in and helped them out.

Wait, their fellow Arabs kept them in refugee camps for the last 70 years?
So much for Muslim solidarity.

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

Perhaps he is only against nasty right-wing Israeli politicians like BB and Sharon who have done these land grabs and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

They need an economy.....beyond bomb making and tunnel digging?

Duh...

Tell their "government" to stop wasting that money...….

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Lol
Africans were selling other Africans long before the United States was formed so shut the fuck up

The parasitic life style that you and I and all other Americans enjoy today was made possible by chattel slavery; sorry if you find reality upsetting.

Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

"So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories."

Lol
The original slaveowners on this continent were American Indians… My ancestors

How many American Indians became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Transatlantic Slave Trade Database

"Some 12.5 million Africans were taken from their homes and forced aboard slave ships that were destined for the New World. About 10.7 million people survived the horrors of the Middle Passage between 1526 and 1866, only to end up in bondage on sugar, rice, cotton, and tobacco plantations throughout the Americas and the Caribbean."

Stop the bullcrap. Slavery is bad. The endless crying and begging is baby pussy to the max. Violence is the answer even after 25 trillion dollars has been spent on the war on poverty and the wrongs of the past. Endless resources has been spent. Believe it or not other people have problems also. If lies were not spread we woud be a better nation. For years there was bull spread that 200 million Africans came to the new world. Tell me if I stay married to raise kids even with issues and Whoopie Goldberg has 7 abortions that she is the angelic one. That she can can do what she wants because of protections but those who take any responsibility are demeaned, destroyed and called the worst names in this modern world. We saw it again yesterday in the women march. The dumb azz skanks do not even realize that they are the harbingers of western destruction.When people are poor enough they will learn. And Asia will rise as the new power.

China GDP per capita PPP | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News

A much smaller economy with 4 times the population.
Maybe they need some slaves, eh?

 

[francoHFW]

Some speculate, and I agree with them, that we already have it.

Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia

Inverted

Why would there be capital if we call it socialism?

Because words are just labels? Seriously?

Under socialism, government controls capital rather than private investors. You really don't get that? That's the whole point.

hat is com not socialism outside your bubble of BS, Cold War dinosaur GOP dupe

Where did you get the idea Arabs were responsible for the crimes of Greedy Jews?

"The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a 'national home for the Jewish people' in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population..."

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Thanks for revealing your antisemitism.

Perhaps he is only against nasty right-wing Israeli politicians like BB and Sharon who have done these land grabs and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

and heavy bombings of Gaza and mainly not giving the Palestinians any chance to have an economy.

They need an economy.....beyond bomb making and tunnel digging?

Duh...

Tell their "government" to stop wasting that money...….

Wasting what money? Israel's right-wing treatment of Palestinians is the number one cause of Muslim hate of the United States, whose nasty right wing and silly dupes
blindly support Israel.