Why A "Good Guy with a Gun" is Bullshit

[Dr Grump]

That is really sad. You are incapable of thinking logically, but then I knew that.

Yeah the NRA doesn't give a fuck about anything, but Obama and the Ds they really care and are all about love and hope...you doofus.

I am not even an NRA member, but because you are such an asshole, I think I will become a lifetime member today.

Do you know anything about history? Once the people are disarmed, what do you think happens? Now think long and hard...

Once again, nobody wants you disarmed.
Most of Europe, Australia, NZ and Canada are disarmed well and truly compared to the US. Some real dictatorships there my paranoid friend....

Yeah, go give your money to the NRA. Why don't you just set it on fire though. Do you about as much good..

 

[gipper]

Mental patients can't legally buy guns and we've had semi-auto rifles for a long time without these kinds of problems. So what changed?

Nothing's changed. America's always been the King of First World mass shootings bar none. Sure, Norway had a mass shooting. As have most first world countries. The issue is, for some weird reason the US just keeps on having them. Of course, when Australia banned certain types of weapons back in 96 there hasn't been one since. Nothing to do with banning assault rifles though. no, no, no. Just a pesky coincidence

In the liberal utopia of the DUPE ^^^, only elites and criminals get to have guns.

Yeah...nothing will go wrong.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Your premise is wrong at the most basic level. The correct mode of action for a CCW holder is to hold in place, and if the shooter tries to enter the area he controls, take him out.

Private CCW holders can be compared to a minefield, what you are hoping for is the active shooter doesn't expect armed resistance and the CCW holder can get some shots in before the active shooter realizes he is being confronted.

why are anti gunners so ignorant about such basic self defense actions

 

[Dr Grump]

In the liberal utopia of the DUPE ^^^, only elites and criminals get to have guns.

Yeah...nothing will go wrong.

And yet I live in Australia. Guns are not the purview of elites or criminals alone. Also, more guns than ever have been imported into Australia since the ban and we still don't have mass shootings. That's because only certain types of guns are allowed. Go figure...again, coincidence? I think not.

 

[gipper]

That is really sad. You are incapable of thinking logically, but then I knew that.

Yeah the NRA doesn't give a fuck about anything, but Obama and the Ds they really care and are all about love and hope...you doofus.

I am not even an NRA member, but because you are such an asshole, I think I will become a lifetime member today.

Do you know anything about history? Once the people are disarmed, what do you think happens? Now think long and hard...

Once again, nobody wants you disarmed.
Most of Europe, Australia, NZ and Canada are disarmed well and truly compared to the US. Some real dictatorships there my paranoid friend....

Yeah, go give your money to the NRA. Why don't you just set it on fire though. Do you about as much good..

Once again dupe, the left has made it clear they want to disarm law abiding Americans. They know full well they can't do all at once...it must be done gradually. Get it dupe?

It is amazing how easily the elites and their media dupe fools like you.

 

[gipper]

In the liberal utopia of the DUPE ^^^, only elites and criminals get to have guns.

Yeah...nothing will go wrong.

And yet I live in Australia. Guns are not the purview of elites or criminals alone. Also, more guns than ever have been imported into Australia since the ban and we still don't have mass shootings. That's because only certain types of guns are allowed. Go figure...again, coincidence? I think not.

Not going to work in the USA, my silly deluded friend.

 

[jon_berzerk]

That is really sad. You are incapable of thinking logically, but then I knew that.

Yeah the NRA doesn't give a fuck about anything, but Obama and the Ds they really care and are all about love and hope...you doofus.

I am not even an NRA member, but because you are such an asshole, I think I will become a lifetime member today.

Do you know anything about history? Once the people are disarmed, what do you think happens? Now think long and hard...

Once again, nobody wants you disarmed.
Most of Europe, Australia, NZ and Canada are disarmed well and truly compared to the US. Some real dictatorships there my paranoid friend....

Yeah, go give your money to the NRA. Why don't you just set it on fire though. Do you about as much good..

Once again dupe, the left has made it clear they want to disarm law abiding Americans. They know full well they can't do all at once...it must be done gradually. Get it dupe?

It is amazing how easily the elites and their media dupe fools like you.

it is as if they want to be duped

 

[Dr Grump]

Once again dupe, the left has made it clear they want to disarm law abiding Americans. They know full well they can't do all at once...it must be done gradually. Get it dupe?

It is amazing how easily the elites and their media dupe fools like you.

No they don't.

I just really wish you gun-loving nuts were honest. Just say "I love shooting guns. It makes me feel good. It makes me feel big. It gives me a woodie." Just be a little honest. Go to any youtube video of you nutters shootings your peashooters. See the glint in your eye. How big it makes your feel....

 

[Dr Grump]

Not going to work in the USA, my silly deluded friend.

Absolutely it would. Over time.

 

[Iceweasel]

Mental patients can't legally buy guns and we've had semi-auto rifles for a long time without these kinds of problems. So what changed?

Reality Check: Did Australia And Great Britain See Lower Gun Violence After Mass Confiscation?

Nothing's changed. America's always been the King of First World mass shootings bar none. Sure, Norway had a mass shooting. As have most first world countries. The issue is, for some weird reason the US just keeps on having them. Of course, when Australia banned certain types of weapons back in 96 there hasn't been one since. Nothing to do with banning assault rifles though. no, no, no. Just a pesky coincidence

Reality Check: Did Australia And Great Britain See Lower Gun Violence After Mass Confiscation?

Interestingly, there have been at least two major studies done on the program and gun homicides. University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi did the first, and in 2008 they completed a report on the matter saying:

“In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the National Firearms Agreement. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.”

“In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the National Firearms Agreement. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.”

And a second report concluded that while the mandatory program did reduce the rate of “accidental” firearm deaths, it had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia and it also did not end mass shootings.

 

[Dr Grump]

it had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia and it also did not end mass shootings.

oh really? Please show mass shootings in Australia since 1996. And please, don't talk about gangs or family related incidents. If that were the case, we'd be talking about daily events in the US. Just give me the random ones....take your time..

 

[2aguy]

it had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia and it also did not end mass shootings.

oh really? Please show mass shootings in Australia since 1996. And please, don't talk about gangs or family related incidents. If that were the case, we'd be talking about daily events in the US. Just give me the random ones....take your time..

Here you go.......please explain which Australian Gun control laws stopped these shootings from being mass shootings....


Okay....I have isolated shooting incidents in Australia that could just as easily have turned into mass shooting events....and yes, I know, you are going to move the goal posts and change the results.......in your post you qouted a study that showed no mass shootings in Australia after the ban..and that is obviously not true...look below.....and the only thing that kept some of these shootings from being mass shootings is pure dumb luck...

So no, the gun confiscation in Austrulia did not stop mass shootings....dumb luck did.....since all of these shooters had no trouble getting guns.....right?


Tell me.....how is anything other than luck that kept these from being mass shootings...since the shooter obviously was able to get a gun and shoot people in gun free Australia...right?

March 2016....


Number of shootings in Melbourne area continues to rise

Three people will appear in court in Geelong after shots were fired between two moving cars on Thursday night, as the problem with gun-related violence in the Melbourne area continues to escalate.

The shooting at Geelong and another separate incident at Frankston brings to 10 the number of shootings in the Melbourne and Geelong areas since February 2.

Three people were arrested after shots were fired between two moving cars just before 6:30pm at Norlane.
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4/28/16 gang shooting in Perth


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tensions had since risen between the Rebels and the Coffin Cheaters, he said.


“That’s something that I cannot elaborate on further at this time,” Det Insp Fyfe said.

“We know both gangs were there.

“The offender or offenders, I do not believe they are a threat to the community in general.”

He said police were yet to identify a suspect, but were speaking with the two surviving victims.

Det Insp Fyfe said at least eight shots were fired from two different types of guns, one of which was a semi-automatic, and one bullet went through a car in the street, so it was fortunate no innocent bystanders were hurt.

4/28/16 port arthur shooting with assault rifle..

Man found shot in Port Arthur

Port Arthur Police are investigating a shooting at Dewalt and W. 14th Street. Police got the call at about 10:45 p.m. Thursday. When they arrived on the scene they found a 29-year-old man laying outside a car that was riddled with bullets. The man had a gunshot wound to the leg and was taken to Christus Southeast Texas St. Elizabeth in Beaumont. His injuries are not life-threatening.
Police say they believe the gun used was some sort of an assault rifle. There is no word on any suspects at this time.

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4/29/16....

'This isn't a random shooting': Man targeted in Sydney killing

A gunman is at large after a "targeted" shooting in Sydney's south-west that has left one man dead and two other people injured.
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Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
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• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

 

[2aguy]

In the liberal utopia of the DUPE ^^^, only elites and criminals get to have guns.

Yeah...nothing will go wrong.

And yet I live in Australia. Guns are not the purview of elites or criminals alone. Also, more guns than ever have been imported into Australia since the ban and we still don't have mass shootings. That's because only certain types of guns are allowed. Go figure...again, coincidence? I think not.

Wrong....you don't have mass shootings because your people are not doing them as often....you didn't have many before you banned the guns....so saying Australia doesn't have mass shootings after the ban is not telling the truth...you didn't have them before you banned the guns....and as my list shows...any one of those shooting events could have been mass shootings if 3 people had died ...

Again....please tell us...of the shootings that I listed...which ones were stopped from becoming mass shootings by which Australian gun control laws?

Pure dumb luck is not how laws are supposed to work....

 

[Iceweasel]

it had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia and it also did not end mass shootings.

oh really? Please show mass shootings in Australia since 1996. And please, don't talk about gangs or family related incidents. If that were the case, we'd be talking about daily events in the US. Just give me the random ones....take your time..

Take your time to use the pudding between your ears. I believe Australia has only had one large scale shooting spree so your question is disingenuous. France, England, Norway etc. has strict laws and it didn't stop theirs.

 

[2aguy]

So, your solution is to disarm the law abiding to stop the mass shootings....problem is your solution clearly won't work, but one has to be level headed to understand this.

Clearly being armed to the teeth doesn't work because you keep on having mass shootings/killings.

They go into gun free zones twit........the people there are unarmed.....had they been armed there wouldn't have been a mass shooting....

 

[Dr Grump]

Take your time to use the pudding between your ears. I believe Australia has only had one large scale shooting spree so your question is disingenuous. France, England, Norway etc. has strict laws and it didn't stop theirs.

That's true re Norway, England etc,but by and large they are singular events. yours aren't.

 

[2aguy]

Okay....what will happen when you statist tyrants get your wish, and all law abiding are disarmed?

Can you THINK that far ahead?

At any rate, you refuse to accept reality, since just last month several mass murdering events were thwarted by armed citizens. Is this a mental illness or just stupidity?

I don't know of anybody who wants you disarmed. They want certain types of weapons banned. They also want other stupid stuff...like....maybe not allowing paranoid schizcos to have guns. You may think that's a dumb idea. I don't...

Here is a list of past mass shootings in Australia........

List of massacres in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice.....they mirror the shootings in my list....the difference is that the shooters on my list just didn't decide to commit mass murder........they had the gun, they had the victims, they just didn't murder them.....

pure dumb luck is going to run out...you had 2 terrorists attacks with guns last year........

 

[Wry Catcher]

Your premise is wrong at the most basic level. The correct mode of action for a CCW holder is to hold in place, and if the shooter tries to enter the area he controls, take him out.

Private CCW holders can be compared to a minefield, what you are hoping for is the active shooter doesn't expect armed resistance and the CCW holder can get some shots in before the active shooter realizes he is being confronted.

If you hold in place and you hear someone coming down a blind hallway, do you shout out and ask if they are the police, the shooter or another good guy? If it's the shooter, you're shit out of luck, aren't you? If it's the police they may not believe you are a good guy. They may think you're the shooter trying to save his sorry ass.

And if you hold in place but can hear the shooter actively killing people in another part of the building, what do you do? Your gun becomes a joke to the people who are dying.

So you should check YOUR premise for reality.

Food for thought, sadly the NRA crowd is on a life long fast from critical thinking.

 

[2aguy]

Take your time to use the pudding between your ears. I believe Australia has only had one large scale shooting spree so your question is disingenuous. France, England, Norway etc. has strict laws and it didn't stop theirs.

That's true re Norway, England etc,but by and large they are singular events. yours aren't.

Britain confiscated guns....even though they didn't have mass shootings either......and guess what...their gun crime rate did not change....it stayed the same....

disarming normal people does not effect gun murder or gun crime rates...in fact, their gun crime rate went up 4% last year.

 

[2aguy]

You know there are ways to stop a person with a gun without a gun. All you need is A good Guy to stop it....but curiously all the "good guys" arent around to stop the shooters. The "good guys" are running trying to protect their own asses.

Put a gun on someones hip doesnt automatically make them want to stand around instead of running. Fight or flight

I prefer to stand and fight.

Make sure you stay low while you run. Some of us train to drop moving targets.

In the land of hypotheticals everyone is Rambo. But we've seen enough shootings to see that isn't the case.

Wrong...we have shown you mass shootings where there was an armed civilian who stopped it.....just like the Night club shooting last week.....it was stopped by an armed civilian.....didn't get coverage by the national media......