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And they just launched a nuke. Time to find a political solution for the region.
No they didnt.
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And they just launched a nuke. Time to find a political solution for the region.
Yes, let's keep,doing nothing substantial and let them get to the point where they can stockpile ICBMs with nukes on all of them.
Kim boi-king is a lunatic, you cannot reason with him. Taking him out is the only way.Un
'Has North Korea just developed an H-bomb for its missiles? They say they have and to deny it would be reckless...time and again we have seen the analysts wrong about the N. Korean military potential.
Yet...............Using nuclear weapons against North Korea is a terrible idea. More than 70 years after the first and only use of nuclear weapons in combat, it seems odd to have to put this in writing, but the past several weeks of heightened tensions with North Korea have made it a necessity.
As the crisis on the Korean peninsula deepens, voices calling for military action to halt North Korea’s nuclear programme have grown stronger and bolder. Last week, Kevin James, a research fellow from the London School of Economics, went a step further, writing that the administration should “nuke North Korea now: it’s the only option”. His argument is based on the assumption that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is an irrational actor, and that nuclear deterrence is a not an option.
This ignores a fundamental reality. The United States has been in a deterrence relationship with North Korea for decades.'
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'Since the suspension of the Korean war in 1953, North Korea has held Seoul, the world’s fourth-largest metropolis, and home to roughly 25 million people, hostage. Pyongyang has thousands of artillery pieces trained on the South Korean capital, a mere 40km south of the border with North Korea. Shells fired from those batteries can reach their targets in roughly 45 seconds. That puts close to 35,000 US troops and 100,000 American civilians directly in harm’s way should a major conflict break out on the Korean peninsula.
To make matters worse, North Korea possesses one of the largest stockpiles of chemical weapons in the world, and can deploy these toxins on an array of artillery shells and missiles. All of South Korea, Japan, and the vast majority of US military assets in the region are well within the range of these weapons. Within minutes of a US military strike, hundreds of these weapons would be launched at both civilian and military targets, inflicting devastating casualties, and causing significant delays in the arrival of American reinforcements to the Korean peninsula.
Thus realists understand there will be no U.S. military action against N. Korea....it is just bluster designed to eventually get a sit down with the N. Korean leader to negotiate some sort of arrangement....meaning we will have to live with a nuclear armed N. Korea. That is reality.'
Our only real hope of protection from N. Korea is to perfect a anti-missile system which may be years away.
In the meantime we should develp the best possible strike plan for N. Korea just in case they go absolutely nuts and launch an attack against the U.S. We must be prepared for the devastation that such an event would cause...definitely in S. Korea and Japan but very likely for our West Coast particuarly and perhaps the entire nation....we have entered a very dangerous era for America...people need to understand that and civil defense measures must be enacted like never before.
US military strike against North Korea would be disastrous
This is t our first rodeo with ICBMs, nukes, and threats of total destruction. We dealt with it in the 50s and since.
We already have the capability to knock his play toys right out of the sky. The fat kid is a rank amateur in this game and is no threat to us.
Wrong at every level...the cold war pales in comparison to the N. Korean threat...as in we do not know how rational their leadership is. We do not have an effective anti-missile missile system....we could knock down some but no gurantee at all that we have any sort of capability to prevent a nuclear armed N. Korean missle hitting somewhere in America. You have made the first mistake in warfare...underestimating the enemy.
Your thesis is a hodge-podge of contradictory statements wrapped up in tired maxims. The NK thrreat grows every day, yet you condone a wait-and-see posture? Nk may or may not currently have the capability of a nuclear strike on an American city, but they most certainly will in the near future. As for ABM systems, there value does not rely on 100% effectiveness. Rather, it adds uncertainty to the effects of a first strike against us, combined with the certain knowledge of devastating retaliation.
Kim Jong Un is not insane in a clinical sense; he is merely propping up his authoritarian regime by poking a stick at the big U.S. bear. He will continue doing so (a la Hussein) until he is put down. The real question is whether his generals are willing to go down in flames along side hiem. Unfortunately, history suggests that they are.
Yes, let's keep,doing nothing substantial and let them get to the point where they can stockpile ICBMs with nukes on all of them.
Kim boi-king is a lunatic, you cannot reason with him. Taking him out is the only way.Un
'Has North Korea just developed an H-bomb for its missiles? They say they have and to deny it would be reckless...time and again we have seen the analysts wrong about the N. Korean military potential.
Yet...............Using nuclear weapons against North Korea is a terrible idea. More than 70 years after the first and only use of nuclear weapons in combat, it seems odd to have to put this in writing, but the past several weeks of heightened tensions with North Korea have made it a necessity.
As the crisis on the Korean peninsula deepens, voices calling for military action to halt North Korea’s nuclear programme have grown stronger and bolder. Last week, Kevin James, a research fellow from the London School of Economics, went a step further, writing that the administration should “nuke North Korea now: it’s the only option”. His argument is based on the assumption that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is an irrational actor, and that nuclear deterrence is a not an option.
This ignores a fundamental reality. The United States has been in a deterrence relationship with North Korea for decades.'
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'Since the suspension of the Korean war in 1953, North Korea has held Seoul, the world’s fourth-largest metropolis, and home to roughly 25 million people, hostage. Pyongyang has thousands of artillery pieces trained on the South Korean capital, a mere 40km south of the border with North Korea. Shells fired from those batteries can reach their targets in roughly 45 seconds. That puts close to 35,000 US troops and 100,000 American civilians directly in harm’s way should a major conflict break out on the Korean peninsula.
To make matters worse, North Korea possesses one of the largest stockpiles of chemical weapons in the world, and can deploy these toxins on an array of artillery shells and missiles. All of South Korea, Japan, and the vast majority of US military assets in the region are well within the range of these weapons. Within minutes of a US military strike, hundreds of these weapons would be launched at both civilian and military targets, inflicting devastating casualties, and causing significant delays in the arrival of American reinforcements to the Korean peninsula.
Thus realists understand there will be no U.S. military action against N. Korea....it is just bluster designed to eventually get a sit down with the N. Korean leader to negotiate some sort of arrangement....meaning we will have to live with a nuclear armed N. Korea. That is reality.'
Our only real hope of protection from N. Korea is to perfect a anti-missile system which may be years away.
In the meantime we should develp the best possible strike plan for N. Korea just in case they go absolutely nuts and launch an attack against the U.S. We must be prepared for the devastation that such an event would cause...definitely in S. Korea and Japan but very likely for our West Coast particuarly and perhaps the entire nation....we have entered a very dangerous era for America...people need to understand that and civil defense measures must be enacted like never before.
US military strike against North Korea would be disastrous
This is t our first rodeo with ICBMs, nukes, and threats of total destruction. We dealt with it in the 50s and since.
We already have the capability to knock his play toys right out of the sky. The fat kid is a rank amateur in this game and is no threat to us.
Wrong at every level...the cold war pales in comparison to the N. Korean threat...as in we do not know how rational their leadership is. We do not have an effective anti-missile missile system....we could knock down some but no gurantee at all that we have any sort of capability to prevent a nuclear armed N. Korean missle hitting somewhere in America. You have made the first mistake in warfare...underestimating the enemy.
Your thesis is a hodge-podge of contradictory statements wrapped up in tired maxims. The NK thrreat grows every day, yet you condone a wait-and-see posture? Nk may or may not currently have the capability of a nuclear strike on an American city, but they most certainly will in the near future. As for ABM systems, there value does not rely on 100% effectiveness. Rather, it adds uncertainty to the effects of a first strike against us, combined with the certain knowledge of devastating retaliation.
Kim Jong Un is not insane in a clinical sense; he is merely propping up his authoritarian regime by poking a stick at the big U.S. bear. He will continue doing so (a la Hussein) until he is put down. The real question is whether his generals are willing to go down in flames along side hiem. Unfortunately, history suggests that they are.
No, the fat kid could lose his shit and turn Seoul into a freakin' parking lot.It's time to lob some missiles into their territory either way, flexing our muscle is the only thing this punk will understand.
Time for some competitive competition in the cell phone business is what that sounds like to me.No, the fat kid could lose his shit and turn Seoul into a freakin' parking lot.It's time to lob some missiles into their territory either way, flexing our muscle is the only thing this punk will understand.
I have a Samsung cell phone and tablet, goddamn it.
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As we know, there are no good answers here. We've let this go too far.
I'm still putting a lot of hope in Japan, South Korea & China, all of whom have direct interests in this.
I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but Japan's recent aggressive comments were worrisome - maybe they see no progress being made either.
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Good stuff. I would think that China would have stomped on the fat kid's throat by now, and haven't they already begun some more sanctions?As we know, there are no good answers here. We've let this go too far.
I'm still putting a lot of hope in Japan, South Korea & China, all of whom have direct interests in this.
I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but Japan's recent aggressive comments were worrisome - maybe they see no progress being made either.
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Japan will very likely go nuclear...in fact they could do it very quickly...in fact some say they have nukes already....anyhow---if the Japanese even threaten to develop nukes that might bring some pressure on China to help with N. Korea. South Korea is not even in the game...they are essentially hostages....understanding their vulnurability. Again....there is no peaceful solution in sight unless China can be persuaded it is in their best interests to help us neutralize N. Korea....so far that is not happening. One country you leave totally left out in your equation is Russia and they should definitely be included....they have a long history with N. Korea and a lot of influence there
Good stuff. I would think that China would have stomped on the fat kid's throat by now, and haven't they already begun some more sanctions?As we know, there are no good answers here. We've let this go too far.
I'm still putting a lot of hope in Japan, South Korea & China, all of whom have direct interests in this.
I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but Japan's recent aggressive comments were worrisome - maybe they see no progress being made either.
.
Japan will very likely go nuclear...in fact they could do it very quickly...in fact some say they have nukes already....anyhow---if the Japanese even threaten to develop nukes that might bring some pressure on China to help with N. Korea. South Korea is not even in the game...they are essentially hostages....understanding their vulnurability. Again....there is no peaceful solution in sight unless China can be persuaded it is in their best interests to help us neutralize N. Korea....so far that is not happening. One country you leave totally left out in your equation is Russia and they should definitely be included....they have a long history with N. Korea and a lot of influence there
I'm not seeing a lot of evidence that China has the pull we thought it did.
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Yes, let's keep,doing nothing substantial and let them get to the point where they can stockpile ICBMs with nukes on all of them.
Kim boi-king is a lunatic, you cannot reason with him. Taking him out is the only way.
'Has North Korea just developed an H-bomb for its missiles? They say they have and to deny it would be reckless...time and again we have seen the analysts wrong about the N. Korean military potential.
Yet...............Using nuclear weapons against North Korea is a terrible idea. More than 70 years after the first and only use of nuclear weapons in combat, it seems odd to have to put this in writing, but the past several weeks of heightened tensions with North Korea have made it a necessity.
As the crisis on the Korean peninsula deepens, voices calling for military action to halt North Korea’s nuclear programme have grown stronger and bolder. Last week, Kevin James, a research fellow from the London School of Economics, went a step further, writing that the administration should “nuke North Korea now: it’s the only option”. His argument is based on the assumption that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is an irrational actor, and that nuclear deterrence is a not an option.
This ignores a fundamental reality. The United States has been in a deterrence relationship with North Korea for decades.'
![]()
'Since the suspension of the Korean war in 1953, North Korea has held Seoul, the world’s fourth-largest metropolis, and home to roughly 25 million people, hostage. Pyongyang has thousands of artillery pieces trained on the South Korean capital, a mere 40km south of the border with North Korea. Shells fired from those batteries can reach their targets in roughly 45 seconds. That puts close to 35,000 US troops and 100,000 American civilians directly in harm’s way should a major conflict break out on the Korean peninsula.
To make matters worse, North Korea possesses one of the largest stockpiles of chemical weapons in the world, and can deploy these toxins on an array of artillery shells and missiles. All of South Korea, Japan, and the vast majority of US military assets in the region are well within the range of these weapons. Within minutes of a US military strike, hundreds of these weapons would be launched at both civilian and military targets, inflicting devastating casualties, and causing significant delays in the arrival of American reinforcements to the Korean peninsula.
Thus realists understand there will be no U.S. military action against N. Korea....it is just bluster designed to eventually get a sit down with the N. Korean leader to negotiate some sort of arrangement....meaning we will have to live with a nuclear armed N. Korea. That is reality.'
Our only real hope of protection from N. Korea is to perfect a anti-missile system which may be years away.
In the meantime we should develp the best possible strike plan for N. Korea just in case they go absolutely nuts and launch an attack against the U.S. We must be prepared for the devastation that such an event would cause...definitely in S. Korea and Japan but very likely for our West Coast particuarly and perhaps the entire nation....we have entered a very dangerous era for America...people need to understand that and civil defense measures must be enacted like never before.
US military strike against North Korea would be disastrous
This is t our first rodeo with ICBMs, nukes, and threats of total destruction. We dealt with it in the 50s and since.
We already have the capability to knock his play toys right out of the sky. The fat kid is a rank amateur in this game and is no threat to us.
Wrong at every level...the cold war pales in comparison to the N. Korean threat...as in we do not know how rational their leadership is. We do not have an effective anti-missile missile system....we could knock down some but no gurantee at all that we have any sort of capability to prevent a nuclear armed N. Korean missle hitting somewhere in America. You have made the first mistake in warfare...underestimating the enemy.
If we were talking conventional weapons, I would agree he deserves a good whoopin'. However, bringing nukes in for a pre-emptive strike? Nope; if we do, we'll be destroyed and a good part of the planet within 24 hours. Not just bombed with a lot of survivors. Destroyed.Good stuff. I would think that China would have stomped on the fat kid's throat by now, and haven't they already begun some more sanctions?As we know, there are no good answers here. We've let this go too far.
I'm still putting a lot of hope in Japan, South Korea & China, all of whom have direct interests in this.
I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but Japan's recent aggressive comments were worrisome - maybe they see no progress being made either.
.
Japan will very likely go nuclear...in fact they could do it very quickly...in fact some say they have nukes already....anyhow---if the Japanese even threaten to develop nukes that might bring some pressure on China to help with N. Korea. South Korea is not even in the game...they are essentially hostages....understanding their vulnurability. Again....there is no peaceful solution in sight unless China can be persuaded it is in their best interests to help us neutralize N. Korea....so far that is not happening. One country you leave totally left out in your equation is Russia and they should definitely be included....they have a long history with N. Korea and a lot of influence there
I'm not seeing a lot of evidence that China has the pull we thought it did.
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China has done nothing of a serious nature in regards to helping with N. Korea...as Trump said they just talk. You reveal a basic lack of understanding of China's game. First you must understand that China is not our friend and their basic motivation regarding N. Korea is that they see N. Korea as a tool to bring pressure on America to retreat from China's area of influence....that is China's goal. N. Korea no matter whan anyone says is a puppet state of China...China could slap them down anytime they wanted. The problem being the status quo is in China's interest ...as least in so far the way they perceive it.
They are banking on Trump not acting as in not conducting a pre-emptive strike on N. Korea...they do not believe he would...they believe he is bluffing. They may be right....but they also may be wrong.
We can only hope that if Trump does decide to strike first...he does so in a manner that would be completely destructive of the N. Korean state and in a manner that would be as fast as possible...meaning nukes.
Issue final warnings to NK and obammys Iran at the same time. Any military strike on innocents from your borders ( or ships, subs? ) co-alition will launch massive Nuke on Pyongyang or Tehran. have allies sign-on. End of problems.
End of games.
I'm sorry, have we all lost our collective minds here? I mean I can almost forgive the millennial because they weren't alive back then and their education sucked, but I'm old enough to remember the Red Scare. How we were told that Russia had nukes pointed at each of our major cities and could wipe us out very quickly.
That was in the 50s and 60s. This isn't our first nuclear rodeo.
We have the capability to take out ICBMs shortly after they are launched and have had that ability for decades.
The little fat kid in NK is decades behind us. He is no threat.
United Nations sanctions will not work because they are toothless. Working with China is useless because they are our enemy.
'Has North Korea just developed an H-bomb for its missiles? They say they have and to deny it would be reckless...time and again we have seen the analysts wrong about the N. Korean military potential.
Yet...............Using nuclear weapons against North Korea is a terrible idea. More than 70 years after the first and only use of nuclear weapons in combat, it seems odd to have to put this in writing, but the past several weeks of heightened tensions with North Korea have made it a necessity.
As the crisis on the Korean peninsula deepens, voices calling for military action to halt North Korea’s nuclear programme have grown stronger and bolder. Last week, Kevin James, a research fellow from the London School of Economics, went a step further, writing that the administration should “nuke North Korea now: it’s the only option”. His argument is based on the assumption that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is an irrational actor, and that nuclear deterrence is a not an option.
This ignores a fundamental reality. The United States has been in a deterrence relationship with North Korea for decades.'
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'Since the suspension of the Korean war in 1953, North Korea has held Seoul, the world’s fourth-largest metropolis, and home to roughly 25 million people, hostage. Pyongyang has thousands of artillery pieces trained on the South Korean capital, a mere 40km south of the border with North Korea. Shells fired from those batteries can reach their targets in roughly 45 seconds. That puts close to 35,000 US troops and 100,000 American civilians directly in harm’s way should a major conflict break out on the Korean peninsula.
To make matters worse, North Korea possesses one of the largest stockpiles of chemical weapons in the world, and can deploy these toxins on an array of artillery shells and missiles. All of South Korea, Japan, and the vast majority of US military assets in the region are well within the range of these weapons. Within minutes of a US military strike, hundreds of these weapons would be launched at both civilian and military targets, inflicting devastating casualties, and causing significant delays in the arrival of American reinforcements to the Korean peninsula.
Thus realists understand there will be no U.S. military action against N. Korea....it is just bluster designed to eventually get a sit down with the N. Korean leader to negotiate some sort of arrangement....meaning we will have to live with a nuclear armed N. Korea. That is reality.'
Our only real hope of protection from N. Korea is to perfect a anti-missile system which may be years away.
In the meantime we should develp the best possible strike plan for N. Korea just in case they go absolutely nuts and launch an attack against the U.S. We must be prepared for the devastation that such an event would cause...definitely in S. Korea and Japan but very likely for our West Coast particuarly and perhaps the entire nation....we have entered a very dangerous era for America...people need to understand that and civil defense measures must be enacted like never before.
US military strike against North Korea would be disastrous
So you want to wait until there is a mushroom cloud over a major U.S. city? Real smart.I'm sorry, have we all lost our collective minds here? I mean I can almost forgive the millennial because they weren't alive back then and their education sucked, but I'm old enough to remember the Red Scare. How we were told that Russia had nukes pointed at each of our major cities and could wipe us out very quickly.
That was in the 50s and 60s. This isn't our first nuclear rodeo.
We have the capability to take out ICBMs shortly after they are launched and have had that ability for decades.
The little fat kid in NK is decades behind us. He is no threat.
You seem to live in a fantasy world...Unfortunately Russia had the ability back in the days of the cold war to wipe us out quickly and they still do...as well as China now.....but Russia being rather rational did not want to take the gamble and understood the doctrine of mutual assured destruction...however someone like Kim with a completely alien world view and possibly with psychiatric problems is a horse of a different color....cannot be equated with Russia at any level. The leader of the hermit kingdom aka a rogue state could possibly even be suicidal...a lot of unknowns in regards to him.
Where you got the totally mistaken idea that we have the capacity to take out ICBM's is beyond me. Now there is a possibility that we may have some electronical ability to occasionally sabotage one of their launches but that is not a comprehensive missile defense and there is no gaurantee that it even works though some do claim we have had some success with it...not known for sure though.
If we were talking conventional weapons, I would agree he deserves a good whoopin'. However, bringing nukes in for a pre-emptive strike? Nope; if we do, we'll be destroyed and a good part of the planet within 24 hours. Not just bombed with a lot of survivors. Destroyed.Good stuff. I would think that China would have stomped on the fat kid's throat by now, and haven't they already begun some more sanctions?As we know, there are no good answers here. We've let this go too far.
I'm still putting a lot of hope in Japan, South Korea & China, all of whom have direct interests in this.
I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but Japan's recent aggressive comments were worrisome - maybe they see no progress being made either.
.
Japan will very likely go nuclear...in fact they could do it very quickly...in fact some say they have nukes already....anyhow---if the Japanese even threaten to develop nukes that might bring some pressure on China to help with N. Korea. South Korea is not even in the game...they are essentially hostages....understanding their vulnurability. Again....there is no peaceful solution in sight unless China can be persuaded it is in their best interests to help us neutralize N. Korea....so far that is not happening. One country you leave totally left out in your equation is Russia and they should definitely be included....they have a long history with N. Korea and a lot of influence there
I'm not seeing a lot of evidence that China has the pull we thought it did.
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China has done nothing of a serious nature in regards to helping with N. Korea...as Trump said they just talk. You reveal a basic lack of understanding of China's game. First you must understand that China is not our friend and their basic motivation regarding N. Korea is that they see N. Korea as a tool to bring pressure on America to retreat from China's area of influence....that is China's goal. N. Korea no matter whan anyone says is a puppet state of China...China could slap them down anytime they wanted. The problem being the status quo is in China's interest ...as least in so far the way they perceive it.
They are banking on Trump not acting as in not conducting a pre-emptive strike on N. Korea...they do not believe he would...they believe he is bluffing. They may be right....but they also may be wrong.
We can only hope that if Trump does decide to strike first...he does so in a manner that would be completely destructive of the N. Korean state and in a manner that would be as fast as possible...meaning nukes.