Why Are There So Many School Shootings?

[Luddly Neddite]

Well, let's see. A shooting in a school? We need more people packing guns. A shooting in the mall? We need more people packing guns. A shooting in church? We need more people packing guns. We have more people packing guns, and the shootings continue to increase. Perhaps this part of the equation is not in line with reality?

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
**********
No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)

The nutters are always comparing guns to cars. Your examples prove the fallacy of that comparison - Most car trips do not end in death or an accident.

Does that mean we should do away with seat belts?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

...also gun shows are not packed with pussies. The motherfucker would be literally torn into pieces after the first shot...

great. BUT NOBODY HAS PERSONAL CONNECTIONS TO A FUCKING GUN SHOW.

Except the sellers ...

 

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo...

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Availability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....

Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?

Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?

Think a major contributor is sexual frustration. More we discourage teens in the height of puberty to be non-sexual, the more all that energy goes into other things. Be it making nutshot videos (if they don't need their testicles damaging them isn't a big no-no,) or as with the Oregon shooter complained (and as if not mistaken the Columbine ones too) dying a virgin.

If other people aren't potential sex partners to you, killing them to vent your frustration may be swirling around in your head.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Hip hip hooray, Americans believe firmly in their right to be shot dead, it is in their Constitution.

More mindless nonsense from another village useful idiot.

 

[Bonzi]

Availability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....

Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?

Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?

Think a major contributor is sexual frustration. More we discourage teens in the height of puberty to be non-sexual, the more all that energy goes into other things. Be it making nutshot videos (if they don't need their testicles damaging them isn't a big no-no,) or as with the Oregon shooter complained (and as if not mistaken the Columbine ones too) dying a virgin.

If other people aren't potential sex partners to you, killing them to vent your frustration may be swirling around in your head.

So.. prostitutes for the un-fuckable is the solution huh?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

On average, a mass shooting once every week.

Three children shot dead every day.

Ten people every day.

Most guns used in mass shootings were purchased legally - proving that our laws are completely inadequate to the problem.

When is enough a enough?

Yes, it's terrible, but not even a blip in the total population, the perps even less against the number of legitimate gun owners, and 2/3 of those shot are gangbangers.

The sky is not falling, despite the rantings of our Chicken Little media and the headless chickens who buy into them.

 

[defcon4]

really?

Really..how many were killed? We were talking about mass murders not an attack where the perp runs the fuck away. hahaha... great example to illustrate my point. What an idiot...

 

[2aguy]

It is simply part of American culture. Note that was not a choice as most have their head in the sand.

Hip hip hooray, Americans believe firmly in their right to be shot dead, it is in their Constitution. The NRA believes too death is inevitable, why attempt to stop it, all eternal life schemes fail, so Americans get a gun and test your right to shoot or be shot. Stuff happens remember. Do this simple test with your gun or guns, should you be well armed. Make sure your gun is not a dud. Aim at your wall, your TV, your foot, test it on yourself, remember it is your right, written in your constitution. Get your neighbors together, form exercises with your guns, have someone run out with an AR15 with body armor. See who can shoot them first. Make sure you are all on opposite sides of the machine gun packing American NRA constitution loving gun lover with their AR15. If anyone dies, no biggee, stuff happens, you're only be adhering to your beliefs and rights. Living real those rights as they now happen so often in American massacres, upholding your god given right to bear arms. No one lives forever. You're tougher than those sissy Australians, show them your stuff. Hope all goes well. Oh and one more thing make sure your insurance is paid up. Eric of Columbine fame is with you, no gun control, he practiced what he preached. Going out in a hail of bullets is as American as apple pie.

And here you go….Australia…gun crime increasing…

Gun found every two days in Melbourne s red zone

Police are discovering guns in cars every two days in Melbourne's north-west, which has been dubbed the "red zone" by officers concerned about a growing gangster culture in the region.
The alarming figure, obtained from The Police Association, follows anecdotal and statistical evidence of a burgeoning gun culture among young men in the city's north-western fringe.
Police working in the large region, which includes Broadmeadows, Sunshine and Werribee, have reported:
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• Firearm-related incidents, such as drive-by shootings, every six days.
• An increasing trend of children as young as 16 carrying guns.
• Regularly finding guns in cars, including sawn-off shotguns and an automatic machine gun, during routine car intercepts.
• Guns stolen from rural homes being used in violent crime in the north-west. Some 530 guns were stolen in rural Victoria in 2013.

It comes as the Crime Statistics Agency released figures on Thursday showing an almost threefold jump in firearm offences in the north-west over the past five years, from 581 in the year to March 2011 to 1332 in the 12 months to April 2015.
A similar trend was reported statewide, with firearm offences rising more than 50 per cent to 13,626.
The figures follow recent high-profile shootings in which two men have been killed - one in Keysborough, the other in Altona Meadows - and significant gun seizures by police. In March, an automatic machine gun was found during a car intercept in Sunbury, and in February, an M16 assault rifle and Thureon machine gun were seized in raids on homes in the city's west.

news video on increasing gun crime...shows robbery and injured...

Gun crime red zone

Gunman holds hostages..muslim....

2014 Sydney hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 15–16 December 2014 a lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Placein Sydney, Australia. Police treated the event as a terrorist attack at the time[11][12] but Monis' motives have subsequently been debated.[13]

After a 16-hour standoff, a gunshot was heard from inside and police officers from the Tactical Operations Unitstormed the café. Hostage Tori Johnson was killed by Monis and hostage Katrina Dawson was killed by a police bullet ricochet in the subsequent raid. Monis was also killed. Three other hostages and a police officer were injured by police gunfire during the raid.[1][14][15]
Immigrant teen shoots cop with handgun...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

he 15-year-old, who is of Iraqi-Kurdish background and was born in Iran, shot a New South Wales police finance worker with a handgun at close range as the man left work in the western Sydney suburb of Parramatta on Friday, police Commissioner Andrew Scipione (pictured right above, alongside state Premier Mike Baird) said. The teen then fired at responding officers, who shot and killed him, Scipione said.

from 2013...drive buys in australia

Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime

The killings are not related but they confirm perceptions that drive-by shootings and gun crime have become an entrenched part of Australian lowlife.

A volatile mix of bikie gangs, drugs, ethnic rivalries and a 265 per cent rise in the number of handgun thefts threatens to turn Sydney into the East LA on the western side of the Pacific.





Read more: Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

Let's talk when there is a shooting at a gun show.

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

And that are gun free……..never forget that.

you really think that has anything to do with it? you think the guy in oregon cared that his school was gun free?

Yes….how do we know…because other mass shooters have left journals or videos where they specifically said they chose targets because they would not meet armed resistance…Santa Barbara, the colorado theater shooter…..the church shooter in South Carolina….

And because we have made so many places gun free zones, too many of them don't have to make a choice….they have their pick.

i know that's a popular claim, but i haven't ever seen it supported.
can you show where the colorado theater shooter ever said he chose the theater because it was a gun free zone? how about any of the others?

Here you go….Santa Barbara and Colorado…

Vince Vaughn is right about guns (and was brave to be so honest) | Fox News

Last June, Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Santa Barbara, Calif., explained his own choice. In his 141-page “Manifesto,” Rodger turned down alternate targets because he worried that someone with a gun would cut short his killing spree.

That same month, Justin Bourque shot to death three people in Canada. His Facebook page made fun of gun bans, with pictures of defenseless victims explaining to killers that they weren’t allowed to have guns.

The diary of the Aurora, Colorado, “Batman” movie theater killer, James Holmes, was finally released this past week. It was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater, but he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”

Of course, there are numerous other examples such as the Columbine killersopposing the concealed carry law that was then working its way through the state legislature. The bill would have allowed people to carry permitted concealed handguns on school property. The killers timed their attack for the very day that final passage of the law was planned for in the legislature.

If you go to the link for the Colorado theater shooter they have a photo of his journal where he has notes about airports…..he lists one of the items…."Substantial Security"

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/james-holmes-notebook-dragged.pdf


There was also a few lesser known cases because the kids were caught before they did the shooting…the one kid told police he was going to shoot the police resource officer first so that there would be no one on school grounds with a gun to stop him….

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Availability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....

Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?

Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?

I think one thing we can all agree on: the media saturates air time with these killings.
It used to be the only thing that would tie up air time like this was when the Kennedys were assassinated.
Now any off-balance, gun-loving psychopath dreaming of infamy sees the attention that is paid to these killers and copies it.
The media obliges the mad man's wishes.
Good for the people in Oregon who refuse to speak the shooter's name.

 

[defcon4]

So.. prostitutes for the un-fuckable is the solution huh?

Yes....

 

[2aguy]

It is simply part of American culture. Note that was not a choice as most have their head in the sand.

Hip hip hooray, Americans believe firmly in their right to be shot dead, it is in their Constitution. The NRA believes too death is inevitable, why attempt to stop it, all eternal life schemes fail, so Americans get a gun and test your right to shoot or be shot. Stuff happens remember. Do this simple test with your gun or guns, should you be well armed. Make sure your gun is not a dud. Aim at your wall, your TV, your foot, test it on yourself, remember it is your right, written in your constitution. Get your neighbors together, form exercises with your guns, have someone run out with an AR15 with body armor. See who can shoot them first. Make sure you are all on opposite sides of the machine gun packing American NRA constitution loving gun lover with their AR15. If anyone dies, no biggee, stuff happens, you're only be adhering to your beliefs and rights. Living real those rights as they now happen so often in American massacres, upholding your god given right to bear arms. No one lives forever. You're tougher than those sissy Australians, show them your stuff. Hope all goes well. Oh and one more thing make sure your insurance is paid up. Eric of Columbine fame is with you, no gun control, he practiced what he preached. Going out in a hail of bullets is as American as apple pie.

And here you go….Australia…gun crime increasing…

Gun found every two days in Melbourne s red zone

Police are discovering guns in cars every two days in Melbourne's north-west, which has been dubbed the "red zone" by officers concerned about a growing gangster culture in the region.
The alarming figure, obtained from The Police Association, follows anecdotal and statistical evidence of a burgeoning gun culture among young men in the city's north-western fringe.
Police working in the large region, which includes Broadmeadows, Sunshine and Werribee, have reported:
Advertisement

• Firearm-related incidents, such as drive-by shootings, every six days.
• An increasing trend of children as young as 16 carrying guns.
• Regularly finding guns in cars, including sawn-off shotguns and an automatic machine gun, during routine car intercepts.
• Guns stolen from rural homes being used in violent crime in the north-west. Some 530 guns were stolen in rural Victoria in 2013.

It comes as the Crime Statistics Agency released figures on Thursday showing an almost threefold jump in firearm offences in the north-west over the past five years, from 581 in the year to March 2011 to 1332 in the 12 months to April 2015.
A similar trend was reported statewide, with firearm offences rising more than 50 per cent to 13,626.
The figures follow recent high-profile shootings in which two men have been killed - one in Keysborough, the other in Altona Meadows - and significant gun seizures by police. In March, an automatic machine gun was found during a car intercept in Sunbury, and in February, an M16 assault rifle and Thureon machine gun were seized in raids on homes in the city's west.

news video on increasing gun crime...shows robbery and injured...

Gun crime red zone

Gunman holds hostages..muslim....

2014 Sydney hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 15–16 December 2014 a lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Placein Sydney, Australia. Police treated the event as a terrorist attack at the time[11][12] but Monis' motives have subsequently been debated.[13]

After a 16-hour standoff, a gunshot was heard from inside and police officers from the Tactical Operations Unitstormed the café. Hostage Tori Johnson was killed by Monis and hostage Katrina Dawson was killed by a police bullet ricochet in the subsequent raid. Monis was also killed. Three other hostages and a police officer were injured by police gunfire during the raid.[1][14][15]
Immigrant teen shoots cop with handgun...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

he 15-year-old, who is of Iraqi-Kurdish background and was born in Iran, shot a New South Wales police finance worker with a handgun at close range as the man left work in the western Sydney suburb of Parramatta on Friday, police Commissioner Andrew Scipione (pictured right above, alongside state Premier Mike Baird) said. The teen then fired at responding officers, who shot and killed him, Scipione said.

from 2013...drive buys in australia

Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime

The killings are not related but they confirm perceptions that drive-by shootings and gun crime have become an entrenched part of Australian lowlife.

A volatile mix of bikie gangs, drugs, ethnic rivalries and a 265 per cent rise in the number of handgun thefts threatens to turn Sydney into the East LA on the western side of the Pacific.





Read more: Year of the gun: Sydney in grip of upswing in shooting crime
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

Let's talk when there is a shooting at a gun show.

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

And that are gun free……..never forget that.

you really think that has anything to do with it? you think the guy in oregon cared that his school was gun free?

Yes….how do we know…because other mass shooters have left journals or videos where they specifically said they chose targets because they would not meet armed resistance…Santa Barbara, the colorado theater shooter…..the church shooter in South Carolina….

And because we have made so many places gun free zones, too many of them don't have to make a choice….they have their pick.

i know that's a popular claim, but i haven't ever seen it supported.
can you show where the colorado theater shooter ever said he chose the theater because it was a gun free zone? how about any of the others?

Yes…the S.C. Church shooter was going to go to a University….but decided against it because they had armed police on campus...

 

[2aguy]

Well, let's see. A shooting in a school? We need more people packing guns. A shooting in the mall? We need more people packing guns. A shooting in church? We need more people packing guns. We have more people packing guns, and the shootings continue to increase. Perhaps this part of the equation is not in line with reality?

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
**********
No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)

The nutters are always comparing guns to cars. Your examples prove the fallacy of that comparison - Most car trips do not end in death or an accident.

Does that mean we should do away with seat belts?

And almost all gun ownership does not end in murder…..we have over 320 million guns in private hands….and gun murder in 2014 was only 8,145……and only 505 accidental deaths in 2013….

We have over 12.8 million people carrying guns daily for self defense…and again, 8,145 gun murders….so by your own metric…guns are not a problem.

 

[2aguy]

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

LOL, I think it has more to do with the knowledge that they will very quickly become well ventilated.

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

I see, you can't receive that which you don't already believe.

it's not that. it's that there's no evidence to suggest that shooters choose gun free areas because they are gun free.

Here is another one, this one was stopped before it could happen……but he left notes….

Teen made bombs, stockpiled guns in prep for Minnesota school massacre: police

The unhinged teen told cops, after being busted Tuesday, that he planned to shoot his sister, mom and dad with a .22-caliber rifle before he went to a rural field and set a fire to distract cops.

The 11th-grader then said he planned to go to Waseca Junior and Senior High School where he would toss Molotov cocktails and explode pressure-cooker bombs to try and kill “as many students as he could” in the cafeteria during lunchtime.

About 1,000 students, in 7th through 12th grade, attend the school.

LaDue, according to the notebook of his plan, would kill the school resource officer before continuing to kill other students. He was prepared to be gunned down by a SWAT Team, police said.

So….he was going to create a gun free zone by drawing the police away from the school, and his first target….the only person on campus with a gun, the police resource officer…….

 

[2aguy]

Let's talk when there is a shooting at a gun show.

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

And that are gun free……..never forget that.

There was at least one trained shooter at the Oregon shooting, same with Tucson and others.

Really, there's no such thing as a "gun free zone".

Really…..one guy out of 3000 students in Oregon…..200 yards away from the event…and it was against policy for him to have that gun…….you consider that a non gun free zone….you are working too hard to show that….

 

[2aguy]

great. BUT NOBODY HAS PERSONAL CONNECTIONS TO A FUCKING GUN SHOW.

A lot of personal connection goes into a movie theater though...

the guy thought he was the joker. i'd say that yes, he had some connection to movies.

Yeah…except he was also thinking about shooting up an airport…did he have a dream to be a pilot as well…and he decided against it because of all of the security.

You can see his notebook page at the link….

 

[2aguy]

shootings happen at places people have a connection to or at places they think will have an impact.
gun shows don't rank.

LOL, I think it has more to do with the knowledge that they will very quickly become well ventilated.

what you think is meaningless. shooters choose their locations for personal reasons or to create an impact. gun shows just don't rank up there the same way theaters or schools do.

I see, you can't receive that which you don't already believe.

it's not that. it's that there's no evidence to suggest that shooters choose gun free areas because they are gun free.

I just gave you 5 or 6, and there are more.

 

[2aguy]

And another point from the Vaughn article…..just because a state has concealed carry on the books doesn't mean people are able to get the actual permit…

For example, in Boston, while concealed carry permits are in theory issued, even retired police can’t get a permit to carry. in Los Angeles during 2012, there were only 240 concealed handgun permits out of 7.6 million adults and the adults that got the permits where hardly your average citizens, being very well connected friends of county Sheriff. Yet, Bloomberg’s groups want to declare that public areas in Boston or Los Angeles were not gun-free zones.

 

[2aguy]

This article lists the various gun free zones where mass shootings have taken place…it also clears up the lies of bloomberg's group on the issue of mass shootings…

More misleading information from Bloomberg's Everytown for Gun Safety on guns: "Analysis of Recent Mass Shootings," Showing how mass public shootings keep occurring in gun-free zones - Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[boedicca]

Why there are "so many" school shootings:

(First, more people are killed in Chicago in one year than in all school shootings combined).

- Schools advertise themselves as Gun Free Zones and are incapable of mounting a proper defense
- High school, especially public high school, is a nasty place with mean kids and bullies enabled by incompetent administrators
- High school is no longer education, but instead is Prog Indoctrination
- The MSM sensationalizes such shootings, turning the shooter into a famous media phenom
- Our Prog Elites exploit such tragedies in order to promote an agenda of eliminating gun rights for law-abiding citizens
- Boys are treated as deformities by the public school system which punishes them for Being Boys and pushes drugging them for ADHD
- The result is that a few boys develop severe mental health issues which are not properly recognized and treated
- Our Prog elites would rather blame guns than to address mental health issues