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Availability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....
Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?
Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?
Availability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....
Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?
Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?
Can't have a campus shooting without a gun. Get rid of the guns; you get rid of the shootings. It's that simple. BTW; it's far more than campuses; military bases have seen this, theaters have seen this, fast food restaurants have seen this, movie theaters, etc....
Its more heartbreaking if it is a school (which is why they target them). The "mentally ill" know very well what they are doing. A 5 year old knows this.
There;s no sound argument for doing this.Can't have a campus shooting without a gun. Get rid of the guns; you get rid of the shootingsAvailability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....
Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?
Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?
There;s no sound argument for doing this.Can't have a campus shooting without a gun. Get rid of the guns; you get rid of the shootingsAvailability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....
Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?
Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?
Probably because everytime you turn on the t.v you see a show about people killing each other? So fucked up in the head thugs think it is cool to do it in real life.
There;s no sound argument for doing this.Can't have a campus shooting without a gun. Get rid of the guns; you get rid of the shootingsAvailability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....
Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?
Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?
Sure, they just blow the place up instead... seriously you have to be kidding......
There;s no sound argument for doing this.Can't have a campus shooting without a gun. Get rid of the guns; you get rid of the shootingsAvailability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....
Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?
Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?
Sure, they just blow the place up instead... seriously you have to be kidding......
Much harder to do since explosives do not come in a glass display case for you to purchase. Much harder to deploy. And much more lethal to the bomb-maker. Much to the chagrin of the NRA I suspect.
There is no public "bombing range" for them to perfect their craft.
Probably because everytime you turn on the t.v you see a show about people killing each other? So fucked up in the head thugs think it is cool to do it in real life.
Not to mention the video games. Did you know they are most popular with ages 29-35?
Grand Theft, Halo, etc. I would not allow my boys to have them.
Probably because everytime you turn on the t.v you see a show about people killing each other? So fucked up in the head thugs think it is cool to do it in real life.
Not to mention the video games. Did you know they are most popular with ages 29-35?
Grand Theft, Halo, etc. I would not allow my boys to have them.
Gee, and they have the same games in Europe and Australia as well. Funny how you rarely read about massacres over there. Must be something we do differently here.
Anyone want to take a guess?
Here comes the race card....
Actually Constitutional Monarchy is OK... still the people run the country. It is not necessarily a good thing sometimes....Look at it over here... the enemies of the Constitutional Republic are destroying the country from within...Okay yes it doesn't affect my life but I hate to see these tragic shootings, I'm sure there are things going on in the world that you have an opinion on. And as I've said several times on this forum this is not an anti-American rant! Why on earth would I have visited America loads of times if I didn't like the place. If you said you liked the UK but thought the Royal Family sucked I'd have no problem with that.
There;s no sound argument for doing this.Can't have a campus shooting without a gun. Get rid of the guns; you get rid of the shootingsAvailability of guns? Mental Health? Bad Parenting? The media....
Or is it more complex and some combination of these and other things....?
Can we all agree that anyone that does this is mentally unstable?
If so, why? Genetic or environmental (developed thru experience...)?
Sure, they just blow the place up instead... seriously you have to be kidding......
Much harder to do since explosives do not come in a glass display case for you to purchase. Much harder to deploy. And much more lethal to the bomb-maker. Much to the chagrin of the NRA I suspect.
There is no public "bombing range" for them to perfect their craft.
Yet still I have not heard your plan to eliminate guns....
Probably because everytime you turn on the t.v you see a show about people killing each other? So fucked up in the head thugs think it is cool to do it in real life.
Not to mention the video games. Did you know they are most popular with ages 29-35?
Grand Theft, Halo, etc. I would not allow my boys to have them.
Gee, and they have the same games in Europe and Australia as well. Funny how you rarely read about massacres over there. Must be something we do differently here.
Anyone want to take a guess?
Here comes the race card....
It adds to the recipe.
Personally, I think it's because of the way we are raising our kids.
Other countries allow guns, no problem.
Raise your kids right, they are not going to be running around shooting up schools.........
Probably because everytime you turn on the t.v you see a show about people killing each other? So fucked up in the head thugs think it is cool to do it in real life.
Not to mention the video games. Did you know they are most popular with ages 29-35?
Grand Theft, Halo, etc. I would not allow my boys to have them.
Gee, and they have the same games in Europe and Australia as well. Funny how you rarely read about massacres over there. Must be something we do differently here.
Anyone want to take a guess?
Here comes the race card....
It adds to the recipe.
Personally, I think it's because of the way we are raising our kids.
Other countries allow guns, no problem.
Raise your kids right, they are not going to be running around shooting up schools.........
I think you have a very good point there. By the same token, the way-out-of-proportion ratio between our # of massacres and theirs leads me to the conclusion that if you didn't have guns available next to the footballs and fishing gear at 70 stores in a 5 mile radius; you may have less shootings. Just a though
Actually Constitutional Monarchy is OK... still the people run the country. It is not necessarily a good thing sometimes....Look at it over here... the enemies of the Constitutional Republic are destroying the country from within...Okay yes it doesn't affect my life but I hate to see these tragic shootings, I'm sure there are things going on in the world that you have an opinion on. And as I've said several times on this forum this is not an anti-American rant! Why on earth would I have visited America loads of times if I didn't like the place. If you said you liked the UK but thought the Royal Family sucked I'd have no problem with that.
If you read Bonzi's posts she says some very reasonable and to me accurate descriptions about the cause of the shootings... also, multiculturalism doesn't help, this country became a bunch of nations within one boundary... Just look how the EU is getting along over there? Strong arming...disagreements between members etc.Actually Constitutional Monarchy is OK... still the people run the country. It is not necessarily a good thing sometimes....Look at it over here... the enemies of the Constitutional Republic are destroying the country from within...Okay yes it doesn't affect my life but I hate to see these tragic shootings, I'm sure there are things going on in the world that you have an opinion on. And as I've said several times on this forum this is not an anti-American rant! Why on earth would I have visited America loads of times if I didn't like the place. If you said you liked the UK but thought the Royal Family sucked I'd have no problem with that.
Surprisingly in the UK the level of support for the monarchy has gone up in recent years. Much of that is to do with Harry and William. Harry especially has done a lot of good work with the armed services both in the UK and USA, William is currently working as an Air Sea Rescue helicopter pilot. The thing about the Queen is you have a neutral head of State, I think people are fed up with politicians and don't want to see another one in that job! The American Constitution given when it was written was very forward thinking, culturally I think its difficult for Europeans to understand the constant friction between your States and the federal government.
In terms of gun laws and your constitution, whilst I accept that its part of American life, a bit like our Royals being part and parcel of British life sometimes they need to be modernised to reflect society at that point in time. The history of the USA is totally different to that of Europe which explains our differing views in relation to guns.
However it surely can't be impossible to find measures that whilst not providing a miracle cure at least are the best compromise. A little inconvenience in terms of more thorough background checks, gunshows doing those etc is I think not a big price to pay. I don't think people should accept that buying a gun should be like buying something else. With owning a gun comes huge responsibility.
Its impossible to solve the issue however its the responsibility of government at both state and federal level to do everything possible to lower the incidence of these shootings.
If you read Bonzi's posts she says some very reasonable and to me accurate descriptions about the cause of the shootings... also, multiculturalism doesn't help, this country became a bunch of nations within one boundary... Just look how the EU is getting along over there? Strong arming...disagreements between members etc.Actually Constitutional Monarchy is OK... still the people run the country. It is not necessarily a good thing sometimes....Look at it over here... the enemies of the Constitutional Republic are destroying the country from within...Okay yes it doesn't affect my life but I hate to see these tragic shootings, I'm sure there are things going on in the world that you have an opinion on. And as I've said several times on this forum this is not an anti-American rant! Why on earth would I have visited America loads of times if I didn't like the place. If you said you liked the UK but thought the Royal Family sucked I'd have no problem with that.
Surprisingly in the UK the level of support for the monarchy has gone up in recent years. Much of that is to do with Harry and William. Harry especially has done a lot of good work with the armed services both in the UK and USA, William is currently working as an Air Sea Rescue helicopter pilot. The thing about the Queen is you have a neutral head of State, I think people are fed up with politicians and don't want to see another one in that job! The American Constitution given when it was written was very forward thinking, culturally I think its difficult for Europeans to understand the constant friction between your States and the federal government.
In terms of gun laws and your constitution, whilst I accept that its part of American life, a bit like our Royals being part and parcel of British life sometimes they need to be modernised to reflect society at that point in time. The history of the USA is totally different to that of Europe which explains our differing views in relation to guns.
However it surely can't be impossible to find measures that whilst not providing a miracle cure at least are the best compromise. A little inconvenience in terms of more thorough background checks, gunshows doing those etc is I think not a big price to pay. I don't think people should accept that buying a gun should be like buying something else. With owning a gun comes huge responsibility.
Its impossible to solve the issue however its the responsibility of government at both state and federal level to do everything possible to lower the incidence of these shootings.
Probably because everytime you turn on the t.v you see a show about people killing each other? So fucked up in the head thugs think it is cool to do it in real life.
Not to mention the video games. Did you know they are most popular with ages 29-35?
Grand Theft, Halo, etc. I would not allow my boys to have them.
Gee, and they have the same games in Europe and Australia as well. Funny how you rarely read about massacres over there. Must be something we do differently here.
Anyone want to take a guess?
Here comes the race card....
It adds to the recipe.
Personally, I think it's because of the way we are raising our kids.
Other countries allow guns, no problem.
Raise your kids right, they are not going to be running around shooting up schools.........
I think you have a very good point there. By the same token, the way-out-of-proportion ratio between our # of massacres and theirs leads me to the conclusion that if you didn't have guns available next to the footballs and fishing gear at 70 stores in a 5 mile radius; you may have less shootings. Just a though
You can have guns galore, people just don't shoot people because a gun is available.... the "deviancy" must be in place in their mind...........
There;s no sound argument for doing this.Can't have a campus shooting without a gun. Get rid of the guns; you get rid of the shootings
Sure, they just blow the place up instead... seriously you have to be kidding......
Much harder to do since explosives do not come in a glass display case for you to purchase. Much harder to deploy. And much more lethal to the bomb-maker. Much to the chagrin of the NRA I suspect.
There is no public "bombing range" for them to perfect their craft.
Yet still I have not heard your plan to eliminate guns....
We can't eliminate them. We have the 2nd Amendment and our Constitution makes any assault on it nearly impossible in any political climate much less today's.
I do have a plan to limit the number of guns on the street. It will take time but using market forces of supply and demand, you can have a reduction in the availability of guns.
Basically, you force manufacturers to put a $1,000 insurance policy on guns. Once that happens, when they sell them to Wal Mart, Wal Mart has to have one for each gun they have in their inventory. They have 500 guns, they have to buy 500 of these policies. So Wal Mart will not buy as many guns, the makers will not make as many, and that will reduce the pool.
Secondly, the money you paid for the insurance policy when you guy the gun (a thousand bucks) doesn't sit on a shelf somewhere. The seller of the policy will invest it in the State's employee pension fund where it will get the same match as employee contributions. Up to $10,000 in 10 years. It is capped at 10K.
What this does is limit the number of sellers of weapons because if you sell the weapon (and the policy), you sell the gun for whatever you negotiate but you have to sell the policy for $1,000. No more, no less. That could be amended to be whatever the current price is of the policy--it will likely raise over time--thus further limiting the number of sellers.
So, lets say you keep your gun for 10 years.
You can take the gun to the local State Police office and sell it to whatever they are going to pay for it. You walk out with the check for the sale of the gun and $10,000 bucks. And you still have a $1,000 policy you can use to piggy back onto another weapon. Or you can cash in the $1,000 policy and get 11,000 bucks. Or you can keep your gun but the investment dividend is capped at $10,000.
So fewer guns are being made; fewer guns are in the store, and fewer guns are available to buy since it is now an investment vehicle. This is how you dry up supply using market forces.
On the persecution side. Obviously, if the gun is used in a crime during this time, the policy pays the victims. I think we should make all crimes that one commits involving a gun (whether it is fired or not) a federal crime. SO if you commit a robbery using a gun in Oklahoma; you serve your time for robbery in OK then are shipped off to a federal pen--7 states away--for the gun crime. Lets call it 5 years for the first offense--hell make it 10.. And you serve 10 years; no parole, no time off, 10 long years. If you like it so much that you do another gun crime once you get back to da hood; you get a 30 year ride next time.
Sell a gun without the policy--gun crime. Get ready to do a stretch in prison.
Steal a gun? Gun crime. Pack your bags.
Tell the cashier you have a gun and to hand over the money. Gun crime. Adios amigo.
There are other things I would do on the education front to let people know that if you do a gun crime; you're going away for your full sentence several hundred miles away.
Of course, the guns used are all confiscated and melted--thus reducing the pool even further. I'd make an anklet out of a melted gun and force the jerk to wear it to remind him of his crime every day.
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As is often pointed out by gun crazies; 99+% will never be used for a crime. This does not speak to them. There is no need to harass sane gun owners. Their guns will be handed down from responsible owners to responsible kids to hopefully responsible grand kids and so on. No need to. They are not part of the pool the psychopaths use to acquire weapons.
Actually Constitutional Monarchy is OK... still the people run the country. It is not necessarily a good thing sometimes....Look at it over here... the enemies of the Constitutional Republic are destroying the country from within...Okay yes it doesn't affect my life but I hate to see these tragic shootings, I'm sure there are things going on in the world that you have an opinion on. And as I've said several times on this forum this is not an anti-American rant! Why on earth would I have visited America loads of times if I didn't like the place. If you said you liked the UK but thought the Royal Family sucked I'd have no problem with that.
Surprisingly in the UK the level of support for the monarchy has gone up in recent years. Much of that is to do with Harry and William. Harry especially has done a lot of good work with the armed services both in the UK and USA, William is currently working as an Air Sea Rescue helicopter pilot. The thing about the Queen is you have a neutral head of State, I think people are fed up with politicians and don't want to see another one in that job! The American Constitution given when it was written was very forward thinking, culturally I think its difficult for Europeans to understand the constant friction between your States and the federal government.
In terms of gun laws and your constitution, whilst I accept that its part of American life, a bit like our Royals being part and parcel of British life sometimes they need to be modernised to reflect society at that point in time. The history of the USA is totally different to that of Europe which explains our differing views in relation to guns.
However it surely can't be impossible to find measures that whilst not providing a miracle cure at least are the best compromise. A little inconvenience in terms of more thorough background checks, gunshows doing those etc is I think not a big price to pay. I don't think people should accept that buying a gun should be like buying something else. With owning a gun comes huge responsibility.
Its impossible to solve the issue however its the responsibility of government at both state and federal level to do everything possible to lower the incidence of these shootings.
