Why Can't the Pro-Choice Crowd Be Honest?

[Grace]

I dont give one iota what the percentages are. YOU DONT KNOW SQUAT and Im sick of reading your drivel.

 

[Grace]

Rape victims account for 1% of abortions

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

 

[JBeukema]

Rape victims account for 1% of abortions

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

Those numbers are from the abortion industry itself, genius

 

[Grace]

Want to read whats on the net? FINE. Here ya go! Got LOTS to cut and paste for ya. Ill take my time, though. Wouldnt wanna overwhelm ya, ya know.

One reported forcible rape or attempted rape takes place approximately every six minutes in the United States. This statistic does not included unreported rapes or other sexual assaults, including assaults against men or many children (boys, or girls sexually assaulted but not raped).
A history of physical abuse, sexual abuse, or neglect can be found in the background of many adolescent sex offenders.
75% percent of women raped are between the ages of 15 and 21. The average age is 18.
Only 16 percent of rapes are ever reported to the police.
In the United States, every 2-3 minutes a woman is sexually assaulted.
87% of all sexual assault victims are female.
The single most effective strategy used to stop an assault is an immediate physical and verbal response.
97% of all sexual assault offenders are male.
85% of all sexual assaults are committed by a family member, friend, or acquaintance of the victim.
In over one-third of all sexual assaults, the assailant attacks the victim in the victim's own home.
Rape is the most under-reported crime in the United States.

Statistics

In a study conducted by the Department of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, researchers interviewed 8,000 women and 8,000 men. Using a definition of rape that includes forced vaginal, oral, and anal intercourse, the survey found that 1 in 6 women had experienced an attempted rape or a completed rape.

At the time they were raped:

22% were under the age of twelve
54% were under the age of eighteen
83% were under the age of twenty-five

In the same study, 1 in 33 men had experienced a sexual assault.

Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, U.S. Department of Justice, 1998



In the Rape in America study, 60% of the women who reported being raped were under 18 years old:

29.3% were less than 11 years old
32.3% were between 11 and 17
22.2% were between 18 and 24
7.1% were between 25 and 29
6.1% were older than 29
3.0% age was not available

Rape in America: A Report to the Nation, National Victim Center, 1992



Youths 12-17 are two to three times more likely to be sexually assaulted than adults.

National Crime Victimization Survey, 2000

Fuck it. Do your own huntin'

Google

 

[Grace]

Rape victims account for 1% of abortions

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

Those numbers are from the abortion industry itself, genius

Yeah? Written by whom? Pro Lifers, GENIUS?

 

[AllieBaba]

Rape victims account for 1% of abortions

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

Reported to the clinic ppl, not the law.

So should we just make up a number and call it good?

 

[JBeukema]

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

Those numbers are from the abortion industry itself, genius

Yeah? Written by whom? Pro Lifers, GENIUS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttmacher_Institute#cite_note-mission-0

The Guttmacher Institute in 1968 was founded as the "Center for Family Planning Program Development", a semi-autonomous division of The Planned Parenthood Federation of America
Guttmacher Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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[AllieBaba]

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

Those numbers are from the abortion industry itself, genius

Yeah? Written by whom? Pro Lifers, GENIUS?

The CDC & Guttmacher Institute.

Most decidedly NOT pro-lifers.

 

[Grace]

All men are deadbeat dads.
All men rape women and they like 'em young.
All men fantasize about raping boys.
All men have dicks the size of an eraser.
All men cant get it up 99 percent of the time.

See how that goes, GENIUS? I can slap shit out there too as fact when its nothing but bullshit.

Im pretty sure I can find some websites backing up some of those claims, too, and parade them around like its all true when I know damn well it isnt...but hey. Thats whats being done the past few days on this neverending judge and jury about baby killers, INCONVENIENCES, "SHE should have kept her legs shut" and "SHE should have used birth control" bullshit that is rampant here.

 

[Grace]

Rape victims account for 1% of abortions

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

Reported to the clinic ppl, not the law.

So should we just make up a number and call it good?

Why the fuck not?
Seems everyone is fucking is.

 

[AllieBaba]

?

 

[JBeukema]

See how that goes, GENIUS? I can slap shit out there too as fact when its nothing but bullshit.

Nobody doubts you ability to lie


The abortion industry exploits rape victims


Any real feminist would be disgusted by the way they use women for their own economic ends

 

[JBeukema]

REPORTED rape victims. REPORTED. Obviously you DO believe everything you read on the net. I thought so.

Reported to the clinic ppl, not the law.

So should we just make up a number and call it good?

Why the fuck not?
Seems everyone is fucking is.

Was that supposed to be a sentence?

 

[Grace]

????

Had enough time? What about all the time you had to decide to not engage in unprotected sex or to keep your clothes on if you're not ready to provide and care for a child?

I dont know if your male of female, Allie. But I can tell you one damn thing. ANY MAN that says that shit CONTINUALLY in MULTIPLE threads is no man. Hes a fucktard sitting on some make believe pedestal and Ive had ENOUGH.

 

[JBeukema]

Grace, you need to take your sexism up with a counselor or a priest or something. Your hatred will eat you alive.

 

[Grace]

And you need to shut your fucking mouth.

 

[JBeukema]

If you can't keep your emotions under control and discuss the matter honesty and cogently like an adult, maybe you should your excuse yourself from such discussions.

Hopefully you can forgive yourself some day.

 

[frazzledgear]

If the anti-abortion folk would work to mandate sex education and birth control availabilty in our society the way we do sports trivia and automobile ownership, then abortion would indeed be a rarity that would STILL be a private choice by the individual.

Instead, you get a bunch of hysterical, idealogical clowns with mantras like "sex educaton promotes promiscuity and STD's" and the like over the decades.

Bottom line: you don't like what your neighbor is doing in their bedroom or with their doctor, THEN MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS....because all the racial, class, religious and social prejudices will be waiting for all those new borns who no one wanted or want to know about as they grow up.

I have always promoted sexual education and support pregnancy prevention. I don't think you should be able to use abortion as birth control. That is what their doing. Is it right to take drugs while pregnant? No, Because it can harm the baby. If it is morally wrong to harm the baby at any point during development, then it is wrong to kill it.

1) One of the recent Catholic Popes described using ANY type of birth control device as a sin. So I hope you're not religious.

2) Abortion is NOT "birth control", as birth control has been to prevent conception. An abortion is a medical procedure of a different nature as to say, the implanting of an IUD.

3) Your analogy of taking drugs has to do with folk who have decided to have the baby and bring it to full term....that is NOT the case with abortion cases.

4) Abortion foes railed against use of the "morning after" pill. What's your stance on that?

Your argument that an even more detailed sex education and handing out contraceptives to more public school children who are not yet mature enough to deal with the consequences of sex will somehow improve both their decision making skills and our abortion rate is LUDICROUS on its face and a totally specious argument. But it IS the typical fallback position of pro-abortion extremists who insist on re-writing all known information to suit themselves instead. You think it plays better to PRETEND that the people getting abortions are all those pathetic, scared and ignorant teenagers who just haven't been given enough information about how to "properly" have sex while avoiding getting pregnant. Or an STD apparently since that rate is sky high too. Yeah, its all because our public schools aren't acting like a birth control clinic instead of an institution of education! Of course!

The only problem for you is REALITY. Something liberals don't deal with very well anyway. There are roughly 1.2 million abortions every year and half of those getting them are 25 years or older. Teenagers aren't even the second most common age group and represent only 17% of all abortions. In case you can't figure that one out it means 83% of all abortions are NOT teenage girls. Another poster said 1/3 were repeaters but actually 45% of all abortions were repeats in 1995 and it is still rising - the majority of all abortions are expected to be repeat abortions by 2015. Incredibly more than a quarter of all repeaters have had more than two. Clearly not people with any compunction about paying someone to destroy their own offspring and clearly not encouraged to have any respect for the very existence of a human life at all. So maybe you can argue women in general are just too stupid to figure out how to avoid unwanted pregnancy. A disproportionate percent of all women who have an abortion are black or Hispanic. Are you going to suggest that even a woman in her 20s still can't be expected to figure out how to avoid unwanted pregnancy? Or is it just black and Hispanic women or what? Because the face people like you like to pretend represents those most likely to get an abortion is NOT the teen face you like to stick on it -but an older, more mature, certainly more knowledgeable and worldly woman who not only knows how to avoid pregnancy -but a shocking percentage of whom obviously choose NOT to avoid it, continue on until they get pregnant AGAIN and then simply hire someone to kill their child AGAIN instead of acting responsibly and avoiding creating another human life in the first place. Obviously led to believe that having another one of their children killed is of no more importance than the bowel movement they had that morning.

So in light of your comment about all the people you claim don't care and never would care about any of the aborted children if they lived -are you suggesting that it really is primarily black children who need to die and get off our planet because in your mind it is somehow more "humane" to just kill them than have to deal with them alive? What is your explanation about why there is such a disproportionate percent of black babies being aborted and how do you REALLY defend that given the fact the biggest supporters and defenders of abortion are white men? The ONLY people whose opinion counts about whether they are better off dead or not are the very people you want to make sure will never express that opinion in the first place! NOT YOUR CALL to make for ANYONE else.

The majority of all women oppose abortion on demand and the overwhelming majority of women who have had a baby oppose it. Hard for them to keep pretending it might be a guppy in there when its a person who comes out, huh. In reality it is people like YOU who are in the minority and the EXTREMISTS. Sorry if you convinced yourself that finding it acceptable to kill the youngest of humans for the "crime" of making mommy unhappy about their very existence makes you the reasonable one here. Guess again.

Given the we are NOT dealing with adolescents getting abortions after all that just PERHAPS instead of teaching kids how to have sex that if we taught them the harsh realities of single parenthood for teens; the number of doors that slam shut and possibly forever; the true expense of raising a child; explicit information about the true nature of STDs and the impact the incurable ones will have on them for the rest of their lives and possibly that of any child they may have; the responsibilities a parent has and the legal consequences they may face for failing to live up to them; the value of human life and the importance of respecting human life; who has the real right to decide the value of a human life - whether it is the owner of that life or someone who finds the existence of that life objectionable for any reason; what a fetus looks like, its stage of development and what happens to it during an abortion both early in pregnancy and in a late term abortion. If you really feel like teens lack INFORMATION then just MAYBE its THAT kind of explicit information which is typically handled in a single hour IF AT ALL in most sex ed classes but may well have a bigger impact on reducing the irresponsible sexual activity of teens and on our abortion rates overall, huh? And give them that important information BEFORE they find themselves dealing with the unwanted consequences of early sexual activity. Because teaching them how to have sex, where to get contraceptives and how to use them has NOT worked at all. Oh NO, people like you ridicule and scoff at that idea and believe an approach entirely devoid of any value judgment regardless of how serious the possible consequences can be for more than just one person, a method that is now provably nothing but giving implicit permission and even encouragement to kids to engage in adult behavior before they are actually adults is preferable and gets "better" results! You have got to be kidding given the fact statistics are screaming YOU ARE WRONG! Given the REALITY of the skyrocket increase in the out-of-wedlock pregnancy from 15.5% in 1973 to 36% now and the same kind of sharp rise in STD transmission rates it is blatantly obvious that the already incredibly explicit sex instructions hasn't been working out so good after all, has it? There is nothing in REALITY to back up your delusion that teenagers with their adolescent brains will actually start making mature, adult decisions if they just have more INFORMATION about how to have sex like an adult but without the brain of one! In fact, it has PROVABLY turned out to be the exact opposite! We have MORE teens engaged in sex and the more who engage in it, the more UNWANTED CONSEQUENCES result from that! Which means we have even MORE kids who lack the emotional maturity to handle the consequences being faced with them anyway! THAT is what happens when teens are not actively discouraged to postpone sexual behavior until a time they have developed the mental and emotional skills to deal with the potential consequences which can be life altering and life threatening! Giving them more explicit instructions and a free condom will still never impart the MATURITY to deal with those consequences. I have NO problem educating children about how their bodies work and reproduction-THAT is the proper function of sex ed. Even if people like you want to keep blinders on about what your FAILED policies you keep pushing have done -and now insist the "solution" is to double down on them! What do you really need to see before it will cause you to re-evaluate your own position and realize that maybe, just MAYBE you were WRONG? How like a typical liberal you are to just refuse to even consider that you might be wrong given the fact that rates of unwanted pregnancy and disease have more than DOUBLED since undergoing the radical change in the way we educate our kids about how sex and reproduction! Wow, talk about being totally OBTUSE!

It should be pretty plain to people with even a rudimentary level of intelligence that the extremists like YOU got it wrong because everything got worse when we all pretended we can't possibly expect children to refrain from engaging in an adult activity before they are emotionally mature enough to deal with the consequences. Saying we need abortion on demand AND even MORE explicit sex ed while handing out contraceptives is in reality encouraging and rewarding even more promiscuous, irresponsible and IMMATURE decisions from teenagers in the provably wrong and stupid belief that it will help protect them from the unwanted consequences of their own poor decisions. Poor decisions we are actually encouraging and giving our approval and permission to make instead of discouraging it and has provably resulted in MORE of them making that poor decision and the more who are engaged in it, the higher the rate of unwanted consequences! All the while people like you insist we must still pursue a provably failed policy and agenda that will continue to keep encouraging and rewarding children for making poor decisions in the first place and insisting we aren't doing it enough yet -this is the circular argument of a liberal. And we all know liberals are short on critical thinking skills and rational thinking in the first place. You couldn't have highlighted that any better for us, thank you.

BTW -I don't give a shit what kind of sex acts two consenting adults may do in the privacy of their bedroom. But like millions and millions of others in this country I absolutely draw the line at pretending killing their unwanted child is part of someone's sex life. That you think of it as part of someone's sex life is weird, extremist and utterly revolting frankly.

 

[Ravi]

Well, abortionism always has been tied to eugenics

no it hasn't.

Ever heard of margaret sanger?

Another lie of yours easily disproven. Abortion was around long before your hero Sanger.

History of abortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Immanuel]

My threshold for removing a fetus is about 9 weeks my end point. In that time a person has had enough time to make up their minds. Anything longer then that the pregnancy has gone to far in my opinion, and the and it is viable...

Define: viable

We can save preemies today we couldn't have decades ago. It's a moving target.

Does grandma become free game when she's on a respirator?

Why does 'viability' mean anything at all?


Had enough time? What about all the time you had to decide to not engage in unprotected sex or to keep your clothes on if you're not ready to provide and care for a child?

How about this variable? It was time enough for the guy to keep his dick in his pants and since he didnt, had a woody and thought hed show some "power" and "control" and his banty rooster mentality needed to force himself on someone weaker to step up and own what he did, but didnt, and therefore got his sorry ass thrown in jail because what he did was ILLEGAL and called RAPE.

Howzat for variables, insinuations, finger pointing and overall GUESSING scenarios of which nobody knows jack shit about while arguing a point over and over and over and over again?

According to AGI, that is the case in 1% of abortions or less.

I hope the dude stays in prison for a lifetime.

Immie