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Thank you for your pro life post that shows some compassion.IMEURU, your reply, while heartfelt, is looking for blame somewhere. I can't speak for the OP, but for me being pro-life isn't about blaming the woman. You are absolutely right that it takes two to tango. It's both parents' fault if they don't think through the consequences. But the focus need not be on fault.
The focus should be on the biology. Some excellent things were said early on in this thread.
1. A baby is a human life
2. A baby, while inside the mother is separate from the mother
3. If left untouched, the child will grow to be viable. (the vast majority of the time)
I'm not religious at all - and my pro-life beliefs have nothing to do with religion especially. It's simply logical that abortion is murder once you realize the 3 facts above.
Are there special cases when the doctor thinks that the only medically safe course is to have an abortion? Yes. And that should be taken into account. A mother's immediate medical health is important too.
The problem is when abortion used like contraceptive - in the sense of fixing a "mistake" (not that any child should ever be seen as a mistake). Once fertilization occurs...there's no fixing the mistake except with murder.
IMEURU, please don't take my words as an attack on you. I'm speaking in the abstract. No woman should be hounded about abortion and treated evilly. I must, however, agree with those who say that if the child were 1 or 2 and it was killed...everyone would be up in arms.
I really wish humans had evolved so that the pregnancy stomach was clear...if that were the case, we wouldnt think of the baby as this "thing" that we can put out of our brains...but instead a living, breathing child that deserves protection.
So you think you have the right to eliminate people who get in your way?
Of course, that's what all people who support abortion think.
Yes, you do, actually. And for any other reason...it's none of your business. If you are against abortion, don't have one.You dont get to abort just because you were raped.
IMEURU, your reply, while heartfelt, is looking for blame somewhere. I can't speak for the OP, but for me being pro-life isn't about blaming the woman. You are absolutely right that it takes two to tango. It's both parents' fault if they don't think through the consequences. But the focus need not be on fault.
The focus should be on the biology. Some excellent things were said early on in this thread.
1. A baby is a human life
2. A baby, while inside the mother is separate from the mother
3. If left untouched, the child will grow to be viable. (the vast majority of the time)
I'm not religious at all - and my pro-life beliefs have nothing to do with religion especially. It's simply logical that abortion is murder once you realize the 3 facts above.
Are there special cases when the doctor thinks that the only medically safe course is to have an abortion? Yes. And that should be taken into account. A mother's immediate medical health is important too.
The problem is when abortion used like contraceptive - in the sense of fixing a "mistake" (not that any child should ever be seen as a mistake). Once fertilization occurs...there's no fixing the mistake except with murder.
IMEURU, please don't take my words as an attack on you. I'm speaking in the abstract. No woman should be hounded about abortion and treated evilly. I must, however, agree with those who say that if the child were 1 or 2 and it was killed...everyone would be up in arms.
I really wish humans had evolved so that the pregnancy stomach was clear...if that were the case, we wouldnt think of the baby as this "thing" that we can put out of our brains...but instead a living, breathing child that deserves protection.
And furthermore...it matters not to me when it becomes human to my thinking. I didnt want it growing in my body. Period. And Id do it again.
And furthermore...it matters not to me when it becomes human to my thinking. I didnt want it growing in my body. Period. And Id do it again.
Sooo...now that you have decided that his discussion is going to be all about you,is everyone just supposed to stop talking about it now or something since it uspets you??
Nope. Continue bickering amongst yourselves on when a seed entering an egg becomes human. Or start another Palin thread so the whole front of the board is thread after thread of the same subject. Whatever floats yer boat.
Sooo...now that you have decided that his discussion is going to be all about you,is everyone just supposed to stop talking about it now or something since it uspets you??
Nope. Continue bickering amongst yourselves on when a seed entering an egg becomes human. Or start another Palin thread so the whole front of the board is thread after thread of the same subject. Whatever floats yer boat.
The cells are all human from the start. Cells and tissue are not babies yet.
It is all a matter of opinion just where that tissue becomes a baby.
Dont see him bitching out the guys to keep their dicks in their drawers, do ya?
If they're not prepared to provide and care for any child that might result, yes they should. It's called personal responsibility.Maybe men should keep their dick in their pants.
You're making progress.
No, I just don't like liars.I got fed up with his thread hippity hoppity prancings, always stating the same thing about it being the womans fault. Takes two to tango. Dont see him bitching out the guys to keep their dicks in their drawers, do ya? He isnt indignant about abortions. Hes just on a fucking witch hunt. So I lost my temper, then slapped his sorry ass on ignore. NOW Ill be able to read and digest more informative information instead of him asking if I wanna be raped and he will be right over, or for me to keep my legs closed, or how about if he shoots me in the face. Idiot mumble jumble that is now hidden.
So do carry on with the discussion. At least it might be semi readable now for me.
He is actually on your side of the fence on this from what I understand. However, he enjoys pushing everyone's buttons.
"having an abortion is NOT an easy choice". And choice it is. And no, its not easy.
Conerning the percentages of who gets an abortion and why is no longer being discussed anyway.
Whats being discussed is when a fetus is considered a human being with rights.
For me...its prior to the heart being formed and beginning to pump
I got reamed by a few posters, accused of this and that
So you're a liar; when it 'becomes a human being with rights' has nothing to do with it at all. You just want to be allowed to kill a baby if it's inconvenient at any point in its life.And furthermore...it matters not to me when it becomes human to my thinking. I didnt want it growing in my body. Period. And Id do it again.
Mothers have no right to inhabit other people's bodies against those people's wishes, either.Nope. Continue bickering amongst yourselves on when a seed entering an egg becomes human. Or start another Palin thread so the whole front of the board is thread after thread of the same subject. Whatever floats yer boat.
The cells are all human from the start. Cells and tissue are not babies yet.
It is all a matter of opinion just where that tissue becomes a baby.
No. It's a matter of when those human cells are offered the same rights and respect that the mother has.
If you're against shooting Ravi in the face, don't shoot Ravi in the face- and leave me alone if I do?Yes, you do, actually. And for any other reason...it's none of your business. If you are against abortion, don't have one.You dont get to abort just because you were raped.
The only one cold blooded in your dispute with IMEURU is you.No, I just don't like liars.I got fed up with his thread hippity hoppity prancings, always stating the same thing about it being the womans fault. Takes two to tango. Dont see him bitching out the guys to keep their dicks in their drawers, do ya? He isnt indignant about abortions. Hes just on a fucking witch hunt. So I lost my temper, then slapped his sorry ass on ignore. NOW Ill be able to read and digest more informative information instead of him asking if I wanna be raped and he will be right over, or for me to keep my legs closed, or how about if he shoots me in the face. Idiot mumble jumble that is now hidden.
So do carry on with the discussion. At least it might be semi readable now for me.
He is actually on your side of the fence on this from what I understand. However, he enjoys pushing everyone's buttons.
Also, I can't stand mindless parrots who can't be bothered to think about what they believe and why.
The truth is that Grace believes herself to be a murderer. That is why she can't discuss this matter honestly- she cannot confront what she has done, forgive herself, and move on.
Three times in this very thread, I've outlined why I don't think what she did is murder. However, her own conscience tells her otherwise and her emotions prevent her from being able to approach the matter in a remotely intellectual matter.
If she really didn't believe she is a murderer and a baby killer, she would be able to state why what she did is okay. Not only is she unable to do that, she cannot even be bothered to consider arguments that would support her desire to believe she isn't a baby-killer because she operates solely on emotions.
It is a simple question: at what point did what change that made killing you in cold blood go from an okay thing to a not-okay thing?
The reason she can't answer that? Because her heart tells her it never was okay to kill her baby. Until she can forgive herself for what she'd done and move on, it's going to continue to eat her up inside.
Im becoming very agitated and mean with this subject and I dont like being mean. Im off to find other news stories to discuss.
You have to forgive yourself, grace
