Why did the Ron Paul movement fail to take off like the Sanders movement?

[Super_Lantern]

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[SwimExpert]

Because Ron Paul acts like a whiny bitch. Sanders is engaging.

 

[Mac1958]

Good question. Could be that Paul's Libertarianism broke away from the Republican platform a bit, whereas Sanders' ideas are simply on the left side of the Democrat platform.

Anyway, in both cases, it sure has been interesting seeing the way they have appealed to young, idealistic people. They may both have brought kids into the process that may have stayed away otherwise.
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[Two Thumbs]

bern appeals to the me generation as socialism is all about voting for me

Paul supports taking care of yourself and being an adult, something leftist are loath to do.

 

[NightFox]

Probably because Ron Paul didn't spend all his time promising people "free" stuff paid for by other people flavored with heavy doses of class warfare rhetoric, in fact what he promised was the complete opposite. Oddly enough when you promise to give people something for nothing and paint other people as "the bad guys that are taking away your right to party for a living" they'll slobber all over themselves shouting your slogans and act like 3 year olds on a sugar high praising your name.

Take away Bernie's fairy tale economics and free stuff sloganeering and no one would pay any attention to him.

"People like getting what they think is free stuff from government" -- John Stossel

 

[aaronleland]

bern appeals to the me generation as socialism is all about voting for me

Paul supports taking care of yourself and being an adult, something leftist are loath to do.

Exactly. Ron Paul preached ideas that nobody wanted to hear. He didn't promise an easy path. In fact he promised the complete opposite, but hoped it would make for a better future. Now we have a liberal who wasn't a Republican until he started running, and a socialist who wasn't a Democrat until he started running. The average voter is a jackass.

 

[Two Thumbs]

bern appeals to the me generation as socialism is all about voting for me

Paul supports taking care of yourself and being an adult, something leftist are loath to do.

Exactly. Ron Paul preached ideas that nobody wanted to hear. He didn't promise an easy path. In fact he promised the complete opposite, but hoped it would make for a better future. Now we have a liberal who wasn't a Republican until he started running, and a socialist who wasn't a Democrat until he started running. The average voter is a jackass.

I look at trump and think; "There goes the smartest man on the planet." he told us that he would run as a rep b/c he said reps would buy anything, and lo, people actually think he will get Mex to pay for the wall.

in the other party, the liberal party, the dnc, doesn't have a single liberal running for Ofc.

honest to god, best election season ever

 

[Two Thumbs]

Paul; You want this from the government? Ok, pay for it.
Bern; You want this from the government? Ok, they will pay for it.

 

[aaronleland]

bern appeals to the me generation as socialism is all about voting for me

Paul supports taking care of yourself and being an adult, something leftist are loath to do.

Exactly. Ron Paul preached ideas that nobody wanted to hear. He didn't promise an easy path. In fact he promised the complete opposite, but hoped it would make for a better future. Now we have a liberal who wasn't a Republican until he started running, and a socialist who wasn't a Democrat until he started running. The average voter is a jackass.

I look at trump and think; "There goes the smartest man on the planet." he told us that he would run as a rep b/c he said reps would buy anything, and lo, people actually think he will get Mex to pay for the wall.

in the other party, the liberal party, the dnc, doesn't have a single liberal running for Ofc.

honest to god, best election season ever

I gave up on giving a shit. I supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and supported Rand Paul this year. But just ask any "conservative" on this board. According to them I'm the liberal. The average voter is a dope.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Paul is libertarian, which America abhors.

Sanders is populist, which America loves.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Paul is libertarian, which America abhors.

Sanders is populist, which America loves.

you are 1/4 right

Paul is a liber, which America thinks is a bit much
bern is a fucking socialist which America has gone to war against.

 

[Two Thumbs]

bern appeals to the me generation as socialism is all about voting for me

Paul supports taking care of yourself and being an adult, something leftist are loath to do.

Exactly. Ron Paul preached ideas that nobody wanted to hear. He didn't promise an easy path. In fact he promised the complete opposite, but hoped it would make for a better future. Now we have a liberal who wasn't a Republican until he started running, and a socialist who wasn't a Democrat until he started running. The average voter is a jackass.

I look at trump and think; "There goes the smartest man on the planet." he told us that he would run as a rep b/c he said reps would buy anything, and lo, people actually think he will get Mex to pay for the wall.

in the other party, the liberal party, the dnc, doesn't have a single liberal running for Ofc.

honest to god, best election season ever

I gave up on giving a shit. I supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and supported Rand Paul this year. But just ask any "conservative" on this board. According to them I'm the liberal. The average voter is a dope.

I thought you were a moderate con. someone that just got tired of the parties.

hell, last person I voted 'for' was RR.

My next vote will be to kill every politician and start over b/c no party is going to fix DC

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ron Paul's movement had a ceiling because the mainstream of conservatism hadn't flip flopped on their support of the disastrous Iraq war yet.

 

[aaronleland]

bern appeals to the me generation as socialism is all about voting for me

Paul supports taking care of yourself and being an adult, something leftist are loath to do.

Exactly. Ron Paul preached ideas that nobody wanted to hear. He didn't promise an easy path. In fact he promised the complete opposite, but hoped it would make for a better future. Now we have a liberal who wasn't a Republican until he started running, and a socialist who wasn't a Democrat until he started running. The average voter is a jackass.

I look at trump and think; "There goes the smartest man on the planet." he told us that he would run as a rep b/c he said reps would buy anything, and lo, people actually think he will get Mex to pay for the wall.

in the other party, the liberal party, the dnc, doesn't have a single liberal running for Ofc.

honest to god, best election season ever

I gave up on giving a shit. I supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012, and supported Rand Paul this year. But just ask any "conservative" on this board. According to them I'm the liberal. The average voter is a dope.

I thought you were a moderate con. someone that just got tired of the parties.

hell, last person I voted 'for' was RR.

My next vote will be to kill every politician and start over b/c no party is going to fix DC

I've honestly never voted in my life. First year I was legal to vote was in 2008, and I actually considered voting for McCain. Then he picked that dopey c*nt as his running mate.

 

[Stephanie]

Ron Paul still has a following. They just aren't as stupid, bully's and violent as the Sanders following aka the Democrat party followers.

 

[P@triot]

????

First of all, when and were did the Ron Paul Libertarian movement "fail"? It is exponentially bigger than it has ever been. Second, the reason Paul didn't make it quite as far is because he deviated from the liberal Republican platform. Bernie Sanders socialism is the epitome of the Dumbocrat platform. He's not deviating in the least, so it's quite easy for him. Third and finally, the easiest message in the world is to tell a bunch of lazy, entitled libtards that they won't have to work and that you will provide them with free shit all day long. It's the easiest message to win an election on. Telling people that you will restore freedom but that it comes with a price - people will have to provide for themselves, is the hardest message to win an election on.

 

[dannyboys]

Ron Paul still has a following. They just aren't as stupid, bully's and violent as the Sanders following aka the Democrat party followers.

Soros found out sending his paid LIB thugs to disrupt Trump rallies wasn't working. The Soros thugs, fresh from Ferguson and Baltimore, were sent to Nevada to incite violence at the DEM convention.
That Soros is a 'busy busy' little piece of shit.
Any guesses where the Soros buses full of professional thugs will turn up next?

 

[g5000]

Why did the Ron Paul movement fail to take off like the Sanders movement?

Ron Paul speaks in a language which is completely alien to those who feel the government is the answer to every question, the salve to every problem. He literally may as well be speaking Greek to these co-dependent personalities. His words fall on deaf ears.

If you want to get the attention of people on the government tit, you have to tell them you will make the tit bigger, which is what Sanders does. If you tell them you want to take the tit away, you are ignored at best, vilified as a devil at worst.

As our government continually expands its scope and its powers, more and more people become dependent on it, and we as a nation fall further and further away from our first principles.

To those who understand the concepts of libertarianism, Ron Paul speaks with crystal clarity. However, he has almost zero charisma.

Another shortfall of the Ron Paul movement is the extremist nature of that movement. Libertarians want to eliminate 95 percent of the federal government. And as soon as you say you want to eliminate 95 percent of the federal government, you lose 95 percent of the voters.

Ronald Reagan used to say, "Government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem", which is the core of libertarianism. Reagan just had a better way of communicating that principle without sounding like a whiny, cranky old man.

 

[deltex1]

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Because Rand is not a socialist....he is not in to free shit...like the asshole Bernie advocates.

 

[amrchaos]

There is a fundamental difference that the two movements faced

One is the number of candidates. Ron Paul routinely faced several candidate at one time. While Sanders faced one questionable candidate. Hence, Ron Paul faced a greater level of saturation of the vote, with most potential supporters choosing some one else

Another is the overall support of the Iraq policy in which Paul did not fully explain how he planned to deal with the country. This could be problematic for Clinton if foreign policy was front and center like in 2008(Which, amazingly, the Clinton campaign made front and center despite having an unpopular foreign policy among democrats!!)

In no way can one say there are more democratic socialists than libertarians or vice versa since not all libertarians supported Paul. Nor everyone who supported Sanders is DS!

For instance I supported Sanders but view Socialist policies as heavy handed with much care , research needs long before implementation. With a built in kill switch if it begins to directly/indirectly undermine the ability to govern.