Why do Democrats talk like AR-15’s are autonomous unless a Caucasian is the shooter? Do they really believe that provokes productive discussion?

[scruffy]

IT's nice to see the Right Wing go full in on supporting Putin.

Leftard troll. ^^^

 

[Big Bend Texas]

LMAO! As if Democrats want solutions and discussion!!

If we solved the problem they would no longer have the "school shooting" cudgel to beat us over the head with and to stir up anger among their own.

 

[scruffy]

On the other hand, gun nuttery isn't a disease.

What an asinine thing to say.

Defense of self, family, a property is a natural right, asshole

 

[Big Bend Texas]

He didn't pull a knife (no matter what the lying KPD says), and contempt of cop shouldn't be a capital offense.



When that angry mob is trying to overthrow the government, yeah. They should have shot a bunch of these clowns.

Then we really would have reached the level of 3rd world Banana Republic status.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

we have waiting periods and back ground checks for legal gun purchases

legal gun owners aren’t the ones committing the majority of rhe crime s

There is no federally mandated waiting period nor should there be.

Example, if you're a woman who's ex is stalking and threatening you, you don't need a gun next week or in four days, you need it right now.

 

[scruffy]

So you are comparing black people upset about police murdering them to children throwing a tantrum?

YES ! !!!

Absa fucking lutely.

You guys looted the Capitol because you didn't like how an election turned out, but black people have no business being upset when the cops murder them?

This is what you are going with?

Screw you. You're just a blowhard leftard troll.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

So you are comparing black people upset about police murdering them to children throwing a tantrum?

You guys looted the Capitol because you didn't like how an election turned out, but black people have no business being upset when the cops murder them?

This is what you are going with?

Then how come in almost every case where they have rioted and looted it was over a case where the shooting was completely justified?

If it's justified, it isn't murder.

 

[JoeB131]

What an asinine thing to say.

Defense of self, family, a property is a natural right, asshole

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy. The illusion that your gun protects you isn't a right.

Then we really would have reached the level of 3rd world Banana Republic status.

Not really.

YES ! !!!

Absa fucking lutely.

Yes, how dare those people expect equal rights.

Then how come in almost every case where they have rioted and looted it was over a case where the shooting was completely justified?

If it's justified, it isn't murder.

None of those cases were justified. That the system failed to hold bad cops accountable IS the problem. And frankly, black folks were pretty restrained up to that point. The peacefully protested for years asking for change.

Then George Floyd was murdered for nine minutes... and people had enough.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy. The illusion that your gun protects you isn't a right.

A completely fabricated stat.

Even the CDC admits we have a half million to as many as 3 million Defensive gun uses in the US annually.

For your claim to be true we'd have to have upwards of 21 million home shootings annually.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

None of those cases were justified. That the system failed to hold bad cops accountable IS the problem. And frankly, black folks were pretty restrained up to that point. The peacefully protested for years asking for change.

Well that's a lie. The two cases where this movement began, The Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown Shootings were both completely justified.

 

[JoeB131]

A completely fabricated stat.

Even the CDC admits we have a half million to as many as 3 million Defensive gun uses in the US annually.

For your claim to be true we'd have to have upwards of 21 million home shootings annually.

The CDC says nothing of the sort. (Why would they, they CDC is actually legally prohibited from studying gun violence after the Kellerman study).

The FBI puts the number of DGU's at only 45,000, and frankly, I think that number is exaggerated.

Here's the problem I have with the "DGU where no one got hurt" statistics.

Talking to gun wanks on this board, you guys fantasize all day about that happy day you get to shoot someone. You treat people like Rittenhouse and Zimmerman like national heroes, and not knobs with guns who killed unarmed people.

Yet according to the FBI, only 200 homicides with guns by civilians were ruled as "Justified".

So we are to believe that you had 45,000 or 3 million opportunities to put a bad guy on a slab, and 99.99+% of the time, you were able to restrain yourselves.

 

[JoeB131]

Well that's a lie. The two cases where this movement began, The Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown Shootings were both completely justified.

Nope, they weren't.

Trayvon Martin was an unarmed kid coming home from a store, who was shot by a drug addled wife-beater.

Michael Brown was shot by a cop who had been fired from a previous job, had his hands up, and was shot six times. 14 witnesses said he had his hands up.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Nope, they weren't.

Trayvon Martin was an unarmed kid coming home from a store, who was shot by a drug addled wife-beater.

Michael Brown was shot by a cop who had been fired from a previous job, had his hands up, and was shot six times. 14 witnesses said he had his hands up.

Well since you're going to resort to outright lies now to make your case I can see this is an entirely pointless discussion.

 

[Blues Man]

The CDC says nothing of the sort. (Why would they, they CDC is actually legally prohibited from studying gun violence after the Kellerman study).

The FBI puts the number of DGU's at only 45,000, and frankly, I think that number is exaggerated.

Here's the problem I have with the "DGU where no one got hurt" statistics.

Talking to gun wanks on this board, you guys fantasize all day about that happy day you get to shoot someone. You treat people like Rittenhouse and Zimmerman like national heroes, and not knobs with guns who killed unarmed people.

Yet according to the FBI, only 200 homicides with guns by civilians were ruled as "Justified".

So we are to believe that you had 45,000 or 3 million opportunities to put a bad guy on a slab, and 99.99+% of the time, you were able to restrain yourselves.

That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses

Why did the CDC fail to publish 1990s research on numbers of defensive gun uses?

www.forbes.com

In particular, a 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.

In 1996, 1997, and 1998, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) conducted large-scale surveys asking about defensive gun use (DGU) in four to six states. Analysis of the raw data allows the estimation of the prevalence of DGU for those areas. Estimates based on CDC’s surveys confirm estimates for the same sets of states based on data from the 1993 National Self-Defense Survey (Kleck and Gertz 1995). Extrapolated to the U.S. as a whole CDC’s survey data imply that defensive uses of guns by crime victims are far more common than offensive uses by criminals. CDC has never reported these results.

 

[JoeB131]

Well since you're going to resort to outright lies now to make your case I can see this is an entirely pointless discussion.

Yes, the truth hurts, doesn't it?

In particular, a 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:

Yeah, when your estimates range between 300K and 3 million, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Go back to my point. Only 200 homicides with guns by civilians are ruled justified. 200. That's it. out of 20,000 gun homicides and 23,000 gun suicides and accidents, that's how many actual DGU's there are.

 

[Blues Man]

Yes, the truth hurts, doesn't it?



Yeah, when your estimates range between 300K and 3 million, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Go back to my point. Only 200 homicides with guns by civilians are ruled justified. 200. That's it. out of 20,000 gun homicides and 23,000 gun suicides and accidents, that's how many actual DGU's there are.

They aren't my estimates and if you ever botherd to notic I always use the low end of the estimates because that's all that is needed to prove that people do indeed use guns for self defense

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yes, the truth hurts, doesn't it?



Yeah, when your estimates range between 300K and 3 million, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Go back to my point. Only 200 homicides with guns by civilians are ruled justified. 200. That's it. out of 20,000 gun homicides and 23,000 gun suicides and accidents, that's how many actual DGU's there are.

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.

It was proven that Martin attacked Zimmerman and was on top of him pounding his head into a concrete slab when he was lawfully and justifiably shot.

It was proven that Michael Brown indeed attacked Wilson and attempted to take his gun.

The forensics proved it was impossible for him to have been shot while standing still with his ands up.

Most DGU's don't even involve a gun being fired, simply making an assailant aware you are armed or displaying the firearm is all it takes to dissuade the vast majority of them.

Professional criminals seek soft targets, they don't come looking for a gun fight.

 

[JoeB131]

They aren't my estimates and if you ever botherd to notic I always use the low end of the estimates because that's all that is needed to prove that people do indeed use guns for self defense

The high estimates are bullshit.
the low estimates are bullshit.

200 dead crooks. Nowhere near 300K or 3 million DGUs.

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass.

It was proven that Martin attacked Zimmerman and was on top of him pounding his head into a concrete slab when he was lawfully and justifiably shot.

You mean after Zimmerman stalked him and cornered him and never identified himself as Neighborhood watch? After he was specifically told by the police NOT to chase the kid.

It was proven that Michael Brown indeed attacked Wilson and attempted to take his gun.

The forensics proved it was impossible for him to have been shot while standing still with his ands up.

Are you fucking retarded? It was established that the struggle over the gun inside the car, and the shooting of Brown when he was 157 feet away from the car were two separate events.

 

[JoeB131]

Most DGU's don't even involve a gun being fired, simply making an assailant aware you are armed or displaying the firearm is all it takes to dissuade the vast majority of them.

Professional criminals seek soft targets, they don't come looking for a gun fight.

Well, by that logic, the DGU didn't prevent ANY crimes, the crook just went on and looked for the next target.

Again, can't believe that the Ammosexuals are able to restrain themselves 99.99% of the time, given how often they fantasize about being like Zimmerman and Rittenhouse.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The high estimates are bullshit.
the low estimates are bullshit.

200 dead crooks. Nowhere near 300K or 3 million DGUs.



You mean after Zimmerman stalked him and cornered him and never identified himself as Neighborhood watch? After he was specifically told by the police NOT to chase the kid.



Are you fucking retarded? It was established that the struggle over the gun inside the car, and the shooting of Brown when he was 157 feet away from the car were two separate events.

You are continuing to fabricate bullshit.

Martin told his "girl friend" he was going to stop and challenge Martin in court. He chose that confrontation, not Zimmerman.

Even if your claim were true, it was clearly established that Zimmerman's self defense rights were fully intact because Martin would not cease pounding him despite his please to do so and begging for help.

157'>? Stop lying.

As described below, crime scene detectives noted apparent blood11 in the roadway approximately 17 feet and 22 feet east of where Brown’s body was found and east of the casings that were recovered, consistent with Brown moving toward Wilson before his death. There was no other blood found in the roadway, other than the pool of blood surrounding Brown’s body.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

The blood spatter shows all of the shots were fired within 21" of where Wilson was standing and the impact wounds are all consistent with him charging towards Wilson when Wilson was firing.