Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
You are engaging in ad hominem.
Is that right, Herr Goebbels?
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You are engaging in ad hominem.
Yet you cannot prove that a human fetus is truly any more "human" than a fish fetus. In fact, the scientific evidence supports the opposite view.being opposed to the murder of unborn children is neither conservative or liberal, it is a moral question not a political one.
You are engaging in ad hominem.
Is that right, Herr Goebbels?
I think you would need to live here for a while in order to understand America -- there is so little in Finland that could really prepare you for the American Experience (ideally, you would need to be born and raised here, but I would not wish that on anyone).The one thing about this board that most baffles me is the incredible depth of hatred and contempt for liberals.
The amount of comments from people suggesting all liberals are stupid, anti-patriotic, dumb...you name it. One even suggested liberals don't know what paragraphs are.
I don't get it.The constant attacks on liberals seems to me (as an outsider) just a sign of incredible arrogance and conceit - and I would consider attacks on conservatives the same way.
How do you come to the conclusion that governing is about compromise?It's more about ideology than simply party. And yes, I want conservatives to stand up for their principles no matter what. You can call that pouting, whining, throwing temper tantrums or whatever you like. In case you haven't noticed, this country is going broke! And the liberal solution is to raise taxes and spend more which in effect will make us go broke at a faster rate. Conservatives want to cut spending and lower taxes which in turn will boost our economy.
Thank you for proving my point. One groups wants one thing, and won't budge on the issue, and the opposite group does the same. Get a clue, government is about compromise. Government is about bettering your society, for the whole, not a few elitists. But we have seemed to lose that notion. However, as long as we have the babies in Congress, that are so blinded by party hatred, we will continue to go down the toilet.
One example:
Obama and the dems tried to get legislation passed that would offer huge tax incentives for large corporations to bring their factories back home to America, to boost OUR economy, and the repubs shot it down.... hhhmmmm and the repubs want us to believe they have "us" in their best interest?
Do we compromise on the notion that people who murder other people should not be jailed?
Do we compromise on the notion that if we are attacked by another country, the perhaps we shouldn't fight back?
The fact is that for any country to survive, clear choices and hard decisions must be made. To compromise on those decisions is the path to ruin..
Witness the GOP. They have adopted a policy of compromise for the past 20 years. It has weakened us as a nation, it has brought our economy to the very brink of ruin, and our societal rot has increased almost exponentially.
Compromise? No thanks. You can have it.
----in order to support vast, monolithic, transnational, crony-capitalist, mega-corporation monopolies.
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Yet you cannot prove that a human fetus is truly any more "human" than a fish fetus.
In fact, the scientific evidence supports the opposite view.
You merely ASSERT that your view is true, it has never been proven.
Yet you demand that your personal opinion must be believed, and that anyone who doesn't do what you want them to do should be thrown in prison and suffer other penalties.
You are not liberal, since you reject scientific analysis and support religious dogma. You are not conservative, since you do not think that the state should butt out of people's private affairs as much as possible.
What you are is a totalitarian, who demands that other people follow your will, no matter how irrational you may be.
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well... you could have just said fuck you.
conservatives want small unintrusive government----the exact opposite of fascism.
you really don't know much about this do you?
Really? Then please explain the intrusiveness of conservatives (read: Republicans) into the bedrooms of Americans, women's bodies and their contents, and what people choose to do (like smoke pot)?????? Such hypocrisy.
Fascism (pron.: /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in mid-20th century Europe. Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state(A "Christian" one??????) that promotes the mass mobilization of the national community,[3][4] relying on a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation on fascist principles.[5] Hostile to democracy, liberalism, socialism, and communism, fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism, ethnocentrism, and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation[3][6][7][8] and asserts that "superior" nations and races should attain living space by displacing weak and inferior ones.[9]
Sounds like the Republican Party to me.
being opposed to the murder of unborn children is neither conservative or liberal, it is a moral question not a political one.
most true conservatives would favor legalization of pot.
gay marriage is another moral rather than political issue------either you believe its wrong or you believe its OK.
you libs always try to mix politics with morals. anyone who does not share your morals is the enemy and is to be destroyed.
liberalism is a philosophy of hate and exclusion and slavery to the government and mind control. like liberalism? move to cuba or north korea.
I wasn't attacking you bro, just saying that you had further proved my point. As you stated, you wouldn't budge on your principles. That is exactly what is wrong with Congress. They simply won't budge. Being a Political Science major with a concentration in Law, I have learned very well, that government is about compromise. Not everyone will get exactly what they want, but that is the definition of compromise:
Compromise:
Noun:
An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.
However, our politicians today are reluctant to heed to concessions, and that is pathetic. I have seen 9 year olds work out their problems better than the grown men in Congress.. kinda makes one wonder....
And to answer your question, yes I would compromise on my principles, if it was to better my country. I would not have the audacity to sit there, and say it's my way or the highway. It is not solely my country, and it is not only Congress's country. There are 300+ million people to consider, and if I have to compromise on some of my principles to better the lives of as many people as possible, you can bet your bottom dollar that I would do it. I however, am not selfish, and think more about other people than your average citizen.
Conservative principles are limited government, individual freedom, strong national defense, free enterprise and traditional American values.
I wouldn't compromise on any of these principles for the simple fact that these principles are better for this country.
How can you sit there and tell me conservatives want limited government, and individual freedom? If that were the case, then they would have no problem with woman getting abortions, gays being able to have the same basic rights as heterosexual couples, women making the same amount of money as her male counterpart, just to name a few. All of these clearly violate your argument that conservatives want limited government, and individual freedom. Telling a woman what she can and can't do, is directly violating individual freedom. The conservative party might have good ideals, but they practice the complete opposite. They do not like to practice what they preach, and it is evident to anyone who knows the way they vote. They are twisted. They say, "Ohh we want limited government. But we are gonna tell you what you can and can't do with your life." Do you see the irony?
Their economic theory's are destructive.
Education.
Education.Education.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/educa...th-conservatism-america-was-born-liberal.html
More leftist bullshit.
This board as a microcosm illustrates a group of conservative/libertarians who are substantially better educated than the leftists. Nearly every conservative here is a college graduate. Most of us have graduate degrees.
Now you of the left do have Truthmatters and Jakestarkey as your brain trust, but I'd still rate the education of the right quite a bit higher than that of the left.
History sucks when it flies in the face of ones ideology, eh?![]()
"For the framers of the constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur
yeah, but you're so confused...those are classical liberals....you know people who wanted SMALLER governement.....LESS POWERFUL government, and more LIBERY And FREEDOM......
Conservative principles are limited government, individual freedom, strong national defense, free enterprise and traditional American values.
I wouldn't compromise on any of these principles for the simple fact that these principles are better for this country.
How can you sit there and tell me conservatives want limited government, and individual freedom? If that were the case, then they would have no problem with woman getting abortions, gays being able to have the same basic rights as heterosexual couples, women making the same amount of money as her male counterpart, just to name a few. All of these clearly violate your argument that conservatives want limited government, and individual freedom. Telling a woman what she can and can't do, is directly violating individual freedom. The conservative party might have good ideals, but they practice the complete opposite. They do not like to practice what they preach, and it is evident to anyone who knows the way they vote. They are twisted. They say, "Ohh we want limited government. But we are gonna tell you what you can and can't do with your life." Do you see the irony?
Pro-life people have a problem with abortions. From a government standpoint us conservatives don't believe federal dollars should be spent toward abortions.
As for marriage, it has been defined as a union between a man and a woman. Homosexuals wish to change the definition. And since a marriage license is a binding contract there must be a clear definition.
How are conservatives telling women what they can or can't do? Specifically.
We have no problem with women making the same as men. And I imagine your referring to the Lilly Ledbetter Act which was passed into law or perhaps the Paycheck Fairness Act that was blocked by the House. The reasons conservatives opposed it was because it would lead to more discrimination lawsuits which would be more costly to employers and at a time when the economy is weak and unemployment high would not be a good idea. And remember this wasn't new legislation this was basically an addition to an existing law.
You will have to provide specific examples of how the Republicans want to tell you" what you can and can't do with your life".
Really? Are you sure about that? Because I am about to provide evidence on how the GOP is trying to make abortions illegal. Not that they are trying to stop federal funding for them.. no no no, that is not what they are trying to do. They are trying to make it illegal (not possible) for a woman to have one. Here are some facts/links for your enlightenment:
I wasn't attacking you bro, just saying that you had further proved my point. As you stated, you wouldn't budge on your principles. That is exactly what is wrong with Congress. They simply won't budge. Being a Political Science major with a concentration in Law, I have learned very well, that government is about compromise. Not everyone will get exactly what they want, but that is the definition of compromise:
Compromise:
Noun:
An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.
However, our politicians today are reluctant to heed to concessions, and that is pathetic. I have seen 9 year olds work out their problems better than the grown men in Congress.. kinda makes one wonder....
And to answer your question, yes I would compromise on my principles, if it was to better my country. I would not have the audacity to sit there, and say it's my way or the highway. It is not solely my country, and it is not only Congress's country. There are 300+ million people to consider, and if I have to compromise on some of my principles to better the lives of as many people as possible, you can bet your bottom dollar that I would do it. I however, am not selfish, and think more about other people than your average citizen.
Conservative principles are limited government, individual freedom, strong national defense, free enterprise and traditional American values.
I wouldn't compromise on any of these principles for the simple fact that these principles are better for this country.
How can you sit there and tell me conservatives want limited government, and individual freedom? If that were the case, then they would have no problem with woman getting abortions, gays being able to have the same basic rights as heterosexual couples, women making the same amount of money as her male counterpart, just to name a few. All of these clearly violate your argument that conservatives want limited government, and individual freedom. Telling a woman what she can and can't do, is directly violating individual freedom. The conservative party might have good ideals, but they practice the complete opposite. They do not like to practice what they preach, and it is evident to anyone who knows the way they vote. They are twisted. They say, "Ohh we want limited government. But we are gonna tell you what you can and can't do with your life." Do you see the irony?