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Gentle correction. Many in politics who CALL themselves conservatives or who are so branded by the left have taken a sharp left turn. They are CINOs, not conservatives. Those who promote ever more government involvement in everything are not conservatives. Those who compromise their values for political expediency are not conservatives.
Modern American Conservatives, of whom I proudly consider myself one, as are those like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Dinesh D'Souza, David Horowitz, Laura Ingraham, Shelby Steele, and many many others. Modern American Conservatism is still alive and well, but is definitely an endangered species if we do not step forward and defend it.
I notice none of those you listed are politicians.
Immie
Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are, if being in the business of politics makes one a politician, but they are a vanishing breed.
Thank goodness for your posting, Uncensored!!Yes, we could tell that by his massive increase in social welfare through Medicare Part D, his attempt to open the Southern border to unlimited illegal immigration, and his international adventurism in nation building...You are totally delusional Immie.
George W. Bush was the most conservative president we've had since probably Warren G. Hardingand perhaps ever.
Why, Bush was almost as "Conservative" as Vlad Lenin or Mao Tse Tung......
I notice none of those you listed are politicians.
Immie
Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are, if being in the business of politics makes one a politician, but they are a vanishing breed.
Uncensored brought that to my attention, but I don't know that I agree with you in regards to Rand Paul and despite the fact that Paul Ryan was the VP candidate last year I don't know that I can say I know all that much about him. I was not a Romney/Ryan supporter. I refused to vote for the "lesser of two evils" especially when it was not clear which of the two were the lesser.
Immie
Bush conservative? LOL. With his spending? Talk about delusional! What on earth did he do that can even remotely be considered conservative?
Maybe Bush is to the right of someone who is overtly pushing socialism, Obama, but that by no means makes him conservative. Bigger government is a liberal desire not conservative. Bush/Cheney worked to expand government not shrink it. Authoritarian control of the masses is the goal of liberalism... I remind you of the patriot act, NSA wiretapping and Obamacare. These three issues are all liberal efforts to control us.
Bush a conservative LOL, next you will be telling us Romney and Kerry are conservative.
Truth is Clinton was much more conservative than Bush.
Immie
Immie, I can understand you not wanting to get any of that shit on your shoes, but you are really being deceitful by trying to blame liberals for what conservatives have done. I sure as hell didn't hear any conservatives critical of Bush and Cheney when they were in power. I know you will say you were, and I would tend to believe YOU. But I hear that story all the time. Problem is I was on this and other boards when Bush was in office...there was not a PEEP from conservatives calling out Bush.
Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
I vividly recall when liberals were in power over 30 years ago. That was a LONG time ago Immie. There was never ANY talk about debt. You know why Immie? Because liberals PAID for what they spent.
Ronald Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a tax and spend policy, to a borrow and spend policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.
Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer
"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.
"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher
"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)
Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.
May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?
Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.
Immie
Immie, I can understand you not wanting to get any of that shit on your shoes, but you are really being deceitful by trying to blame liberals for what conservatives have done. I sure as hell didn't hear any conservatives critical of Bush and Cheney when they were in power. I know you will say you were, and I would tend to believe YOU. But I hear that story all the time. Problem is I was on this and other boards when Bush was in office...there was not a PEEP from conservatives calling out Bush.
Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
I vividly recall when liberals were in power over 30 years ago. That was a LONG time ago Immie. There was never ANY talk about debt. You know why Immie? Because liberals PAID for what they spent.
Ronald Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a tax and spend policy, to a borrow and spend policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.
Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer
"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.
"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher
"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)
Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.
May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?
Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.
Immie
I am really disappointed in you Immie. You are just as dishonest as the rest of the far right you 'claim' to oppose. The liberal era in America started with the New Deal and ended with the Great society. It was an era with huge economic growth and shared wealth, fantastic successes in technology, vast expansion of citizen freedoms and liberties and the growth of a middle class that defined this country and made America the 'city on the hill', the envy of the world.
That era ended at the end of the 1960's and the conservative era began. It has continued ever since. It has been a negative mirror image of the liberal era. We now lead the world only in the dubious like incarcerating human beings, killing innocent people and launching Hirohito sneak attacks on sovereign nations.
Liberals PAID for what they spent through taxes. Conservatives put America on the Beijing credit card.
You are totally delusional Immie.
George W. Bush was the most conservative president we've had since probably Warren G. Hardingand perhaps ever.
Yes, we could tell that by his massive increase in social welfare through Medicare Part D, his attempt to open the Southern border to unlimited illegal immigration, and his international adventurism in nation building...
Why, Bush was almost as "Conservative" as Vlad Lenin or Mao Tse Tung......
May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?
Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.
Immie
I am really disappointed in you Immie. You are just as dishonest as the rest of the far right you 'claim' to oppose. The liberal era in America started with the New Deal and ended with the Great society. It was an era with huge economic growth and shared wealth, fantastic successes in technology, vast expansion of citizen freedoms and liberties and the growth of a middle class that defined this country and made America the 'city on the hill', the envy of the world.
That era ended at the end of the 1960's and the conservative era began. It has continued ever since. It has been a negative mirror image of the liberal era. We now lead the world only in the dubious like incarcerating human beings, killing innocent people and launching Hirohito sneak attacks on sovereign nations.
Liberals PAID for what they spent through taxes. Conservatives put America on the Beijing credit card.
Your a hack
Welcome to my nightmare
Bush conservative? LOL. With his spending? Talk about delusional! What on earth did he do that can even remotely be considered conservative?
Maybe Bush is to the right of someone who is overtly pushing socialism, Obama, but that by no means makes him conservative. Bigger government is a liberal desire not conservative. Bush/Cheney worked to expand government not shrink it. Authoritarian control of the masses is the goal of liberalism... I remind you of the patriot act, NSA wiretapping and Obamacare. These three issues are all liberal efforts to control us.
Bush a conservative LOL, next you will be telling us Romney and Kerry are conservative.
Truth is Clinton was much more conservative than Bush.
Immie
Immie, I can understand you not wanting to get any of that shit on your shoes, but you are really being deceitful by trying to blame liberals for what conservatives have done. I sure as hell didn't hear any conservatives critical of Bush and Cheney when they were in power. I know you will say you were, and I would tend to believe YOU. But I hear that story all the time. Problem is I was on this and other boards when Bush was in office...there was not a PEEP from conservatives calling out Bush.
Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians
I vividly recall when liberals were in power over 30 years ago. That was a LONG time ago Immie. There was never ANY talk about debt. You know why Immie? Because liberals PAID for what they spent.
Ronald Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a tax and spend policy, to a borrow and spend policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.
Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer
"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.
"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher
"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)
Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.
May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?
Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.
Immie
May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?
Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.
Immie
Medicare Part D is a PERFECT example of conservatism.
Conservatives made no provision in the bill to pay for it.
Unlike the VA and Medicaid, it forbids negotiating drug prices and it is a windfall for the pharmaceutical industry.
It is in the conservative spirit of stealing from the poor and giving to the rich.
As if there are any essential differences between Republicans and Democrats in any of these respects !! · ·Leftists are authoritarian. democrats are clearly authoritarian and under the tutelage of Barack Obama verge on totalitarian. Central planning requires the authority to implement said plans. Under the rule of Obama, the IRS and NSA help to enforce the will of the state.
As if there are any essential differences between Republicans and Democrats in any of these respects !! · ·
Republicans are always cheerleaders for the totalitarianism of the Military-Industrial Complex and its police-state mentality!!
Just look at the wasteful spending of the government ever since Reagan -- mainly under Republican administrations!!
Ever since Reagan, Presidents -- both Dems and Reps -- have been pliant tools of Swindlers in High Places.
Compared to the recent spate of Presidential go-fers, Roosevelt looks as conservative as Calvin Coolidge !!
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As if there are any essential differences between Republicans and Democrats in any of these respects !! · ·
Republicans are always cheerleaders for the totalitarianism of the Military-Industrial Complex and its police-state mentality!!
Just look at the wasteful spending of the government ever since Reagan -- mainly under Republican administrations!!
Ever since Reagan, Presidents -- both Dems and Reps -- have been pliant tools of Swindlers in High Places.
Compared to the recent spate of Presidential go-fers, Roosevelt looks as conservative as Calvin Coolidge !!
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Yeah;
Not much to argue with there, sadly...
Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are, if being in the business of politics makes one a politician, but they are a vanishing breed.
Uncensored brought that to my attention, but I don't know that I agree with you in regards to Rand Paul and despite the fact that Paul Ryan was the VP candidate last year I don't know that I can say I know all that much about him. I was not a Romney/Ryan supporter. I refused to vote for the "lesser of two evils" especially when it was not clear which of the two were the lesser.
Immie
My definition of a modern American conservative is somebody who sees the responsibility of the federal government is to secure our rights, put just enough regulation into effect to allow the various states to function as one country and to prevent us from doing physical, economic, and/or environmental viiolence to each other. Then the federal government is to leave us strictly alone to form whatever sort of society we wish to have and live our lives as we choose. Both Rand Paul and Paul Ryan understand that concept. It has nothing at all to do with who ran for President.
May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?
Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.
Immie
His statement might actually be true.
The thing is that Bgfrn and the democrats are not liberals - not even in the same universe as liberals. Bgfrn is a leftist.
Leftists are authoritarian. democrats are clearly authoritarian and under the tutelage of Barack Obama verge on totalitarian. Central planning requires the authority to implement said plans. Under the rule of Obama, the IRS and NSA help to enforce the will of the state.
