Why do people hate Liberals?

[Pogo]

The illogic is your interpretaton of Surfer's post. In the referenced sentence, he listed three things that we experience with an influx of non-English speaking illegals, of which bad driving was one of them. He wasn't equating Spanish with bad driving--you made that illogical leap, not him.

Umm, no Foxy, I'm afraid he was. Let's see it again:

You can't go anywhere without having to listen to Spanish-speaking idiots, endure their poor driving, try to get them to help you at a store etc.

The subject of the sentence as it is introduced is "Spanish-speaking idiots". What followed describes this group. If you're a Spanish-speaking idiot, you "drive poorly". The word their in "their poor driving" refers directly back to this subject: "Spanish-speaking idiots".

That doesn't mean that English-speaking idiots can't be poor drivers, but it does mean that if you're a Spanish-speaking idiot, you are by this definition a poor driver. Regardless of your nationality or national status.

Don't get into a car with Julio Iglesias.

That is nonsense Pogo. English IS my first language, and I'm pretty sure I'm on solid ground here.

Uh - mine too. So feel free to demonstrate your point, as I did mine.

Both Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush speak Spanish. Don't let either one drive.

 

[Foxfyre]

Umm, no Foxy, I'm afraid he was. Let's see it again:


The subject of the sentence as it is introduced is "Spanish-speaking idiots". What followed describes this group. If you're a Spanish-speaking idiot, you "drive poorly". The word their in "their poor driving" refers directly back to this subject: "Spanish-speaking idiots".

That doesn't mean that English-speaking idiots can't be poor drivers, but it does mean that if you're a Spanish-speaking idiot, you are by this definition a poor driver. Regardless of your nationality or national status.

Don't get into a car with Julio Iglesias.

That is nonsense Pogo. English IS my first language, and I'm pretty sure I'm on solid ground here.

Uh - mine too. So feel free to demonstrate your point, as I did mine.

Both Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush speak Spanish. Don't let either one drive.

And it is this kind of disconnect from reality that gives liberalism such a bad rap and probably why it always leaves more messes in its wake than anything it accomplishes.

 

[Pogo]

That is nonsense Pogo. English IS my first language, and I'm pretty sure I'm on solid ground here.

Uh - mine too. So feel free to demonstrate your point, as I did mine.

Both Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush speak Spanish. Don't let either one drive.

And it is this kind of disconnect from reality that gives liberalism such a bad rap and probably why it always leaves more messes in its wake than anything it accomplishes.

I humbly accept your concession that you can't back up your claim. But what does either speaking Spanish or driving skills have to do with "liberalism"?

 

[Foxfyre]

Uh - mine too. So feel free to demonstrate your point, as I did mine.

Both Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush speak Spanish. Don't let either one drive.

And it is this kind of disconnect from reality that gives liberalism such a bad rap and probably why it always leaves more messes in its wake than anything it accomplishes.

I humbly accept your concession that you can't back up your claim. But what does either speaking Spanish or driving skills have to do with "liberalism"?

Nothing, but liberalism is just foolish enough to try to connect the two when no connection was made.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

'Kind of disconnect from reality' ...

LOL, really? I hope you were describing republicans.

 

[Pogo]

And it is this kind of disconnect from reality that gives liberalism such a bad rap and probably why it always leaves more messes in its wake than anything it accomplishes.

I humbly accept your concession that you can't back up your claim. But what does either speaking Spanish or driving skills have to do with "liberalism"?

Nothing, but liberalism is just foolish enough to try to connect the two when no connection was made.

That's not a question of "liberalism" or of politics at all. It's a question of logic.

This inability to define terms is even worse than I imagined.

 

[Foxfyre]

I humbly accept your concession that you can't back up your claim. But what does either speaking Spanish or driving skills have to do with "liberalism"?

Nothing, but liberalism is just foolish enough to try to connect the two when no connection was made.

That's not a question of "liberalism" or of politics at all. It's a question of logic.

This inability to define terms is even worse than I imagined.

Yeah well, in this case I'll put my reading comprehension skills up against yours any day of the week.

Example: We just acquired some North Carolinans, passionate liberals with good hearts who brightens our day, and are sometimes jerks.

I don't see having a good heart as related to sometimes being a jerk. I don't see all North Carolinans as as having good hearts or brightening my day. I don't see the three traits attributed to in that sentence as being necessarily related in any way.

But if you read my sentence in the same way you interpreted Surfer's, you do. And THAT is what makes your leap to judgment illogical and, I might add, mean spirited.

 

[RKMBrown]

Nothing, but liberalism is just foolish enough to try to connect the two when no connection was made.

That's not a question of "liberalism" or of politics at all. It's a question of logic.

This inability to define terms is even worse than I imagined.

Yeah well, in this case I'll put my reading comprehension skills up against yours any day of the week.

Example: We just acquired some North Carolinans, passionate liberals with good hearts who brightens our day, and are sometimes jerks.

I don't see having a good heart as related to sometimes being a jerk. I don't see all North Carolinans as as having good hearts or brightening my day. I don't see the three traits attributed to in that sentence as being necessarily related in any way.

But if you read my sentence in the same way you interpreted Surfer's, you do. And THAT is what makes your leap to judgment illogical and, I might add, mean spirited.

Fox you said... "liberalism is just foolish enough to try to connect the two when no connection was made."

From that statement I discern that you, being a conservative, tried to connect two disparate things, one being liberalism the other being a decidedly human trait. Would you not say that "conservatism is also just foolish enough to try to connect two unrelated things when no connection was made?"

It seems the ability to make mean spirited assumptions is not just a trait of liberals.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's not a question of "liberalism" or of politics at all. It's a question of logic.

This inability to define terms is even worse than I imagined.

Yeah well, in this case I'll put my reading comprehension skills up against yours any day of the week.

Example: We just acquired some North Carolinans, passionate liberals with good hearts who brightens our day, and are sometimes jerks.

I don't see having a good heart as related to sometimes being a jerk. I don't see all North Carolinans as as having good hearts or brightening my day. I don't see the three traits attributed to in that sentence as being necessarily related in any way.

But if you read my sentence in the same way you interpreted Surfer's, you do. And THAT is what makes your leap to judgment illogical and, I might add, mean spirited.

Fox you said... "liberalism is just foolish enough to try to connect the two when no connection was made."

From that statement I discern that you, being a conservative, tried to connect two disparate things, one being liberalism the other being a decidedly human trait. Would you not say that "conservatism is also just foolish enough to try to connect two unrelated things when no connection was made?"

It seems the ability to make mean spirited assumptions is not just a trait of liberals.

It is not mean spirited to answer the question posted in the OP. Modern Ameridan liberalism is frequently illogical, it is frequently mean spirited, and it is incapable of connecting itself to the unintended negative consequences it creates. And that is why those of us who know that object to it and push against it. That is what this thread is about.

But it does not equate that I see Pogo or many other liberals of whom I am very fond in a negative light. Which is why I have repeatedly objected to the wording of the OP. We should be discussing liberalism and not liberals. Those are two different things.

I can despise a dish a cook prepares without jumping to the illogical assumption that the cook is a bad person or even a bad cook.

.

 

[thanatos144]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Yet the irony is that you spend as much or more time attacking the defenders of liberty, as you do in refuting the progressives.

Standard Disclaimer: "Progressives," can't we just call them "Communists," in a "truth in advertising" move?

 

[RKMBrown]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Yet the irony is that you spend as much or more time attacking the defenders of liberty, as you do in refuting the progressives.

Standard Disclaimer: "Progressives," can't we just call them "Communists," in a "truth in advertising" move?

If by communists you mean classical communists maybe... but unless you are talking about Cuban Communists, most communists these days are staunch capitalists who have thrown out marxist redistribution as a failed economic plan.

 

[thanatos144]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Yet the irony is that you spend as much or more time attacking the defenders of liberty, as you do in refuting the progressives.

Standard Disclaimer: "Progressives," can't we just call them "Communists," in a "truth in advertising" move?

Oh do you mean my statements that Libertarians are nothing more then democrats that hate taxes? I dont see how that disproves my post?

 

[rightwinger]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Which side is for Liberty and which side is the Fascist socialists?

 

[thanatos144]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Which side is for Liberty and which side is the Fascist socialists?

The fact that you have to ask this question tells us all we need to know.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If by communists you mean classical communists maybe... but unless you are talking about Cuban Communists, most communists these days are staunch capitalists who have thrown out marxist redistribution as a failed economic plan.

The American left continues to seek state control over the means of production and distribution. That the modern left has adopted the methodology of Mussolini as superior to that of Marx, does not alter the fact that the push is to place the state as the final arbiter of winners and losers in the economy.

We see that those who prosper in our society do so more by pull, than by production.

 

[rightwinger]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Which side is for Liberty and which side is the Fascist socialists?

The fact that you have to ask this question tells us all we need to know.

Well.....since Liberals founded this country in the name of Liberty

I guess that makes you the Fascists

 

[RKMBrown]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Which side is for Liberty and which side is the Fascist socialists?

Neither of the two major American political parties currently stand for liberty.

 

[thanatos144]

Which side is for Liberty and which side is the Fascist socialists?

The fact that you have to ask this question tells us all we need to know.

Well.....since Liberals founded this country in the name of Liberty

I guess that makes you the Fascists

You think you are like the founders?

the founders were not Socialistic fascists.

 

[thanatos144]

Lets cut the bullshit shall we????? No we cant all just get along because Liberals IE progressives and Conservatives have Diametrically differing idea on How the country should be governed....It is between Fascist socialism and Liberty. There is no common ground here.

Which side is for Liberty and which side is the Fascist socialists?

Neither political party is for liberty.

Oh your one of those huh???? A fence sitter who thinks they are superior cause you cant make a decision?