Why do some take belief in Global Warming as a political issue?

[westwall]

The sun does not get cold. The sun is hot.

This is basic. Despite any projections that the sun is going to get cold, it has not. Never in human history has the sun been cold. Relative to anything.

The suns radiance cycles are normal and expected. They are rather slight, relatively speaking.

The sun does not get cold.

Every third grader knows this.

OK, I get it. That means the Earth doesn't warm either. Case closed, there is no longer anything to worry about COOL! Thanks!

 

[Big Fitz]

The sun does not get cold. The sun is hot.

This is basic. Despite any projections that the sun is going to get cold, it has not. Never in human history has the sun been cold. Relative to anything.

The suns radiance cycles are normal and expected. They are rather slight, relatively speaking.

The sun does not get cold.

Every third grader knows this.

OK, I get it. That means the Earth doesn't warm either. Case closed, there is no longer anything to worry about COOL! Thanks!

ROFLMAO! So obvious I am embarrassed I didn't see it first.

That's why you're paid the big monopoly bucks.

 

[starcraftzzz]

Guess what, they're batting 0. And for the record, Al Gore and AGW are cons... it's all about control... sell the masses on environmental Armageddon and get them to give up essential liberties.

SO why do you think that increased hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and droughts are not bad things?
Do you also realize that greenhouse gasses cause/increase cancer, lung ailments, heart problems, autism, brain diseases and other diseases?
Do you also realzie that a changing climate has already and will conune to cause crop failures pushing up the price of food?
You can put your head in the sand and ignore reality.

Because there has been no increase in the frequency or power of hurricanes. Try looking up the real science behind your dstatements someday. You won't make such an epic fool of yourself that way.

K so you are a liar.
1) Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist
6,000 people die each year due to global warmings’ increase in tropical storms
^Crisis Prevention & Recovery | UNDP
Global warming’s effect on tropical storms cost the economy 60 billion dollars each year.
(Total increase in American cost x [total tropical storms/total Atlantic storms] = total cost)
http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/hurr_122106a.pdf

2) Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought
Drought's Growing Reach: NCAR Study Points to Global Warming as Key Factor - News Release
The increase in droughts due to global warming kills 23,000 people and costs 45 billion every year.
http://www.wateryear2003.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5137&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

3) Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library
The increase in floods due to global warming kills 20,000 people, and costs the economy 45 billion each year.

4)
Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields
^
Food Security Wanes As World Warms - Science News
^Global warming/climate change responsible for a decline in food yields such as cereals in The Former Soviet Union. Future warming/climate change will result in a decline in food yields and a spike in food costs.
^
August 12 News: Heat Wave Reduces Crop Harvests; Senate Democrats Urge White House to Act on Smog Rule | ThinkProgress
^The unprecedented heat wave that occurred in the United State in 2011caused corn yields to fall by 4.1%, soybeans by 5.2%, and wheat by 5.2%.
^
Breeding ozone-tolerant crops
^Scientists find that if current trends of ground level Ozone (which occurs due to fossil fuel emissions reacting with Carbons and sunlight) stay it will reduce soybean yields by 23% by 2050
^
Record Heat Causes Peanut Butter Prices to Skyrocket: "I Don't Remember A Year" We Had "So Little Moisture" | ThinkProgress
^Climate change in 2010-2011 caused peanut prices to increase by over 50%

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.
Tornadoes are formed when hot air collides with cold air.
Usually when the hot air is below the cold air, when the hot air rises and the cold air falls it causes tornadoes to form.

Increasing number of wildfires is caused by global warming, study finds - The Boston Globe
^Since 1986 wildfires have increased by 400%, and acres burned has increased by 650%.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

SO why do you think that increased hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and droughts are not bad things?
Do you also realize that greenhouse gasses cause/increase cancer, lung ailments, heart problems, autism, brain diseases and other diseases?
Do you also realzie that a changing climate has already and will conune to cause crop failures pushing up the price of food?
You can put your head in the sand and ignore reality.

Because there has been no increase in the frequency or power of hurricanes. Try looking up the real science behind your dstatements someday. You won't make such an epic fool of yourself that way.

K so you are a liar.
1) Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist
6,000 people die each year due to global warmings’ increase in tropical storms
^Crisis Prevention & Recovery | UNDP
Global warming’s effect on tropical storms cost the economy 60 billion dollars each year.
(Total increase in American cost x [total tropical storms/total Atlantic storms] = total cost)
http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/hurr_122106a.pdf

2) Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought
Drought's Growing Reach: NCAR Study Points to Global Warming as Key Factor - News Release
The increase in droughts due to global warming kills 23,000 people and costs 45 billion every year.
http://www.wateryear2003.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5137&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

3) Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library
The increase in floods due to global warming kills 20,000 people, and costs the economy 45 billion each year.

4)
Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields
^
Food Security Wanes As World Warms - Science News
^Global warming/climate change responsible for a decline in food yields such as cereals in The Former Soviet Union. Future warming/climate change will result in a decline in food yields and a spike in food costs.
^
August 12 News: Heat Wave Reduces Crop Harvests; Senate Democrats Urge White House to Act on Smog Rule | ThinkProgress
^The unprecedented heat wave that occurred in the United State in 2011caused corn yields to fall by 4.1%, soybeans by 5.2%, and wheat by 5.2%.
^
Breeding ozone-tolerant crops
^Scientists find that if current trends of ground level Ozone (which occurs due to fossil fuel emissions reacting with Carbons and sunlight) stay it will reduce soybean yields by 23% by 2050
^
Record Heat Causes Peanut Butter Prices to Skyrocket: "I Don't Remember A Year" We Had "So Little Moisture" | ThinkProgress
^Climate change in 2010-2011 caused peanut prices to increase by over 50%

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.
Tornadoes are formed when hot air collides with cold air.
Usually when the hot air is below the cold air, when the hot air rises and the cold air falls it causes tornadoes to form.

Increasing number of wildfires is caused by global warming, study finds - The Boston Globe
^Since 1986 wildfires have increased by 400%, and acres burned has increased by 650%.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

That's a whole lot of speculation, not a whole lot of facts.

 

[Big Fitz]

Because there has been no increase in the frequency or power of hurricanes. Try looking up the real science behind your dstatements someday. You won't make such an epic fool of yourself that way.

K so you are a liar.
1) Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist
6,000 people die each year due to global warmings’ increase in tropical storms
^Crisis Prevention & Recovery | UNDP
Global warming’s effect on tropical storms cost the economy 60 billion dollars each year.
(Total increase in American cost x [total tropical storms/total Atlantic storms] = total cost)
http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/hurr_122106a.pdf

2) Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought
Drought's Growing Reach: NCAR Study Points to Global Warming as Key Factor - News Release
The increase in droughts due to global warming kills 23,000 people and costs 45 billion every year.
http://www.wateryear2003.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5137&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

3) Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library
The increase in floods due to global warming kills 20,000 people, and costs the economy 45 billion each year.

4)
Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields
^
Food Security Wanes As World Warms - Science News
^Global warming/climate change responsible for a decline in food yields such as cereals in The Former Soviet Union. Future warming/climate change will result in a decline in food yields and a spike in food costs.
^
August 12 News: Heat Wave Reduces Crop Harvests; Senate Democrats Urge White House to Act on Smog Rule | ThinkProgress
^The unprecedented heat wave that occurred in the United State in 2011caused corn yields to fall by 4.1%, soybeans by 5.2%, and wheat by 5.2%.
^
Breeding ozone-tolerant crops
^Scientists find that if current trends of ground level Ozone (which occurs due to fossil fuel emissions reacting with Carbons and sunlight) stay it will reduce soybean yields by 23% by 2050
^
Record Heat Causes Peanut Butter Prices to Skyrocket: "I Don't Remember A Year" We Had "So Little Moisture" | ThinkProgress
^Climate change in 2010-2011 caused peanut prices to increase by over 50%

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.
Tornadoes are formed when hot air collides with cold air.
Usually when the hot air is below the cold air, when the hot air rises and the cold air falls it causes tornadoes to form.

Increasing number of wildfires is caused by global warming, study finds - The Boston Globe
^Since 1986 wildfires have increased by 400%, and acres burned has increased by 650%.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

That's a whole lot of speculation, not a whole lot of facts.

Ah yes, and if you look at many/most of those links, they are stuck in circular logic of self referential 'proof' where they just feed back on themselves in an incestuous cycle.

I also love the out of date data. Always a pleasant touch.

 

[thereisnospoon]

SO why do you think that increased hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and droughts are not bad things?
Do you also realize that greenhouse gasses cause/increase cancer, lung ailments, heart problems, autism, brain diseases and other diseases?
Do you also realzie that a changing climate has already and will conune to cause crop failures pushing up the price of food?
You can put your head in the sand and ignore reality.

Because there has been no increase in the frequency or power of hurricanes. Try looking up the real science behind your dstatements someday. You won't make such an epic fool of yourself that way.

K so you are a liar.
1) Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist
6,000 people die each year due to global warmings’ increase in tropical storms
^Crisis Prevention & Recovery | UNDP
Global warming’s effect on tropical storms cost the economy 60 billion dollars each year.
(Total increase in American cost x [total tropical storms/total Atlantic storms] = total cost)
http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/hurr_122106a.pdf

2) Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought
Drought's Growing Reach: NCAR Study Points to Global Warming as Key Factor - News Release
The increase in droughts due to global warming kills 23,000 people and costs 45 billion every year.
http://www.wateryear2003.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5137&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

3) Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library
The increase in floods due to global warming kills 20,000 people, and costs the economy 45 billion each year.

4)
Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields
^
Food Security Wanes As World Warms - Science News
^Global warming/climate change responsible for a decline in food yields such as cereals in The Former Soviet Union. Future warming/climate change will result in a decline in food yields and a spike in food costs.
^
August 12 News: Heat Wave Reduces Crop Harvests; Senate Democrats Urge White House to Act on Smog Rule | ThinkProgress
^The unprecedented heat wave that occurred in the United State in 2011caused corn yields to fall by 4.1%, soybeans by 5.2%, and wheat by 5.2%.
^
Breeding ozone-tolerant crops
^Scientists find that if current trends of ground level Ozone (which occurs due to fossil fuel emissions reacting with Carbons and sunlight) stay it will reduce soybean yields by 23% by 2050
^
Record Heat Causes Peanut Butter Prices to Skyrocket: "I Don't Remember A Year" We Had "So Little Moisture" | ThinkProgress
^Climate change in 2010-2011 caused peanut prices to increase by over 50%

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.
Tornadoes are formed when hot air collides with cold air.
Usually when the hot air is below the cold air, when the hot air rises and the cold air falls it causes tornadoes to form.

Increasing number of wildfires is caused by global warming, study finds - The Boston Globe
^Since 1986 wildfires have increased by 400%, and acres burned has increased by 650%.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Here's the rub. Scientists get to publish theories or even guesses in lieu of solid conclusions.
Look, the federal government ordered NASA and the NCDC to do a study on the Earth's climate.
The study concluded that the average temp of the Earth rose 1.8* C since 1900.
The study also drew NO conclusions as to why the Earth had warmed at this relatively low rate.

At the end of the day, all of the above means nothing without a conclusive factual study which produces the precise CAUSE of the rise in temperature and changes in weather patterns.
This winter, many global warming activists reactivated their rhetoric because of the mild temps. They also ignored the fact that Europe had one of the coldest and snowiest winters on record.
The only conclusion that stands is that the Earth will do what it does and no matter how much you tree huggers cry about it, there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[westwall]

The sun does not get cold. The sun is hot.

This is basic. Despite any projections that the sun is going to get cold, it has not. Never in human history has the sun been cold. Relative to anything.

The suns radiance cycles are normal and expected. They are rather slight, relatively speaking.

The sun does not get cold.

Every third grader knows this.

OK, I get it. That means the Earth doesn't warm either. Case closed, there is no longer anything to worry about COOL! Thanks!

ROFLMAO! So obvious I am embarrassed I didn't see it first.

That's why you're paid the big monopoly bucks.

It takes a while to lead someone down the primrose path properly. I enjoy a good setup followed by a stupendous slam down! I love Black Adder BTW!

 

[westwall]

SO why do you think that increased hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and droughts are not bad things?
Do you also realize that greenhouse gasses cause/increase cancer, lung ailments, heart problems, autism, brain diseases and other diseases?
Do you also realzie that a changing climate has already and will conune to cause crop failures pushing up the price of food?
You can put your head in the sand and ignore reality.

Because there has been no increase in the frequency or power of hurricanes. Try looking up the real science behind your dstatements someday. You won't make such an epic fool of yourself that way.

K so you are a liar.
1) Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist
6,000 people die each year due to global warmings’ increase in tropical storms
^Crisis Prevention & Recovery | UNDP
Global warming’s effect on tropical storms cost the economy 60 billion dollars each year.
(Total increase in American cost x [total tropical storms/total Atlantic storms] = total cost)
http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/hurr_122106a.pdf

2) Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought
Drought's Growing Reach: NCAR Study Points to Global Warming as Key Factor - News Release
The increase in droughts due to global warming kills 23,000 people and costs 45 billion every year.
http://www.wateryear2003.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5137&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

3) Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library
The increase in floods due to global warming kills 20,000 people, and costs the economy 45 billion each year.

4)
Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields
^
Food Security Wanes As World Warms - Science News
^Global warming/climate change responsible for a decline in food yields such as cereals in The Former Soviet Union. Future warming/climate change will result in a decline in food yields and a spike in food costs.
^
August 12 News: Heat Wave Reduces Crop Harvests; Senate Democrats Urge White House to Act on Smog Rule | ThinkProgress
^The unprecedented heat wave that occurred in the United State in 2011caused corn yields to fall by 4.1%, soybeans by 5.2%, and wheat by 5.2%.
^
Breeding ozone-tolerant crops
^Scientists find that if current trends of ground level Ozone (which occurs due to fossil fuel emissions reacting with Carbons and sunlight) stay it will reduce soybean yields by 23% by 2050
^
Record Heat Causes Peanut Butter Prices to Skyrocket: "I Don't Remember A Year" We Had "So Little Moisture" | ThinkProgress
^Climate change in 2010-2011 caused peanut prices to increase by over 50%

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.
Tornadoes are formed when hot air collides with cold air.
Usually when the hot air is below the cold air, when the hot air rises and the cold air falls it causes tornadoes to form.

Increasing number of wildfires is caused by global warming, study finds - The Boston Globe
^Since 1986 wildfires have increased by 400%, and acres burned has increased by 650%.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Never call me a liar unless you can back it up clown. Here is what NOAA has to say about your so called facts.

There has only been one US hurricane strike in the last 1,130 days. 7,000 days have passed since a category five hurricane hit the US (Hurricane Andrew in 1992.)

In 1886, the US was hit by seven hurricanes, including two major hurricanes.

It has been over six years since a major hurricane hit the US – Hurricane Wilma in 2005.

The deadliest hurricane to hit the US happened in the year 1900.


Decade Saffir-Simpson Category1 All
1,2,3,4,5 Major
3,4,5
1 2 3 4 5
1851-1860 8 5 5 1 0 19 6
1861-1870 8 6 1 0 0 15 1
1871-1880 7 6 7 0 0 20 7
1881-1890 8 9 4 1 0 22 5
1891-1900 8 5 5 3 0 21 8
1901-1910 10 4 4 0 0 18 4
1911-1920 10 4 4 3 0 21 7
1921-1930 5 3 3 2 0 13 5
1931-1940 4 7 6 1 1 19 8
1941-1950 8 6 9 1 0 24 10
1951-1960 8 1 5 3 0 17 8
1961-1970 3 5 4 1 1 14 6
1971-1980 6 2 4 0 0 12 4
1981-1990 9 1 4 1 0 15 5
1991-2000 3 6 4 0 1 14 5
2001-2004 4 2 2 1 0 9 3

1851-2004 109 72 71 18 3 273 92
Average Per Decade 7.1 4.7 4.6 1.2 0.2 17.7 6.0

1 Only the highest Saffir-Simpson Category to affect the U.S. has been used.



http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/ushurrlist18512009.txt

 

[Sweet Willy]

The sun does not get cold.

It's really simple. To think that a few guys who call the sun "cold" are trying to speak intelligently to climate is a joke.

What does it have to do with the prospect of global warming? I have no idea.

But the sun doesn't get cold.

 

[Sweet Willy]

What happened to the cold sun crowd? Was there a flat Earth meeting tonight?

 

[daveman]

There is no reasonable, relative use of "cold" to describe the sun.

Yes, there are, you stupid kid.

It's a school night. Better get ready for bed now, kid. And no X-Box, either.

No, there is no reasonable use of '"the sun gets cold". It just doesn't. Sun spots are lower in temperature, the sun may become slightly less radiant or of slightly less intensity, but it doesn't get cold.

The important thing to take away from this is that when given many choices that are far more accurate and acceptable and would convey a far less controversial idea, Ol' Fitz refuses and instead decides to stick with the option that is the worst fit, the least accurate and has to be stretched all out of shape to even get close to describing a slight variation in the suns radiance.

A slight variation in the suns radiance could be described as:

"slight variations in suns radiance"

"a slight decrease in the suns intensity"

"a slight decrease in surface temperatures"

We could even say the the sun "cooled" ever so slightly.

But the sun doesn't "get cold"

When offered all these choices, you guys want to stick with "the sun gets cold".

This fact of the sun is not very important to the point at all. The point is, once you guys are stuck on an idea, even one as lame and insignificant as this one, even when much better alternatives exist and are presented to you, you still chose the lamest and worst option.

Tell me why anything else you have to say is not liable to be equally lame and loose with the truth, but you have just refused to accept a better idea?

That's the point.

That and... the sun doesn't get cold.

TRANSLATION:

 

[daveman]

Yes, there are, you stupid kid.

It's a school night. Better get ready for bed now, kid. And no X-Box, either.

No, there is no reasonable use of '"the sun gets cold". It just doesn't. Sun spots are lower in temperature, the sun may become slightly less radiant or of slightly less intensity, but it doesn't get cold.

The important thing to take away from this is that when given many choices that are far more accurate and acceptable and would convey a far less controversial idea, Ol' Fitz refuses and instead decides to stick with the option that is the worst fit, the least accurate and has to be stretched all out of shape to even get close to describing a slight variation in the suns radiance.

A slight variation in the suns radiance could be described as:

"slight variations in suns radiance"

"a slight decrease in the suns intensity"

"a slight decrease in surface temperatures"

We could even say the the sun "cooled" ever so slightly.

But the sun doesn't "get cold"

When offered all these choices, you guys want to stick with "the sun gets cold".

This fact of the sun is not very important to the point at all. The point is, once you guys are stuck on an idea, even one as lame and insignificant as this one, even when much better alternatives exist and are presented to you, you still chose the lamest and worst option.

Tell me why anything else you have to say is not liable to be equally lame and loose with the truth, but you have just refused to accept a better idea?

That's the point.

That and... the sun doesn't get cold.

Or you could just go out and buy the book that we are all referring to. That way, maybe, you won't look like such a nimrod. Somehow I doubt that too.

"In Cold Sun, author John L. Casey, a former White House national space policy advisor, NASA Headquarters consultant, and space shuttle engineer reveals the untold story of ominous changes taking place in the Sun, which will result in inevitable and unstoppable climate changes on Earth."


Cold Sun

No!! Some childish twit on the internet OBVIOUSLY knows more than that amateur!!

Right, SmallWilly?

 

[daveman]

The sun does not get cold. The sun is hot.

This is basic. Despite any projections that the sun is going to get cold, it has not. Never in human history has the sun been cold. Relative to anything.

The suns radiance cycles are normal and expected. They are rather slight, relatively speaking.

The sun does not get cold.

Every third grader knows this.

Well, that establishes your education level.

Does your mom know you post on grown-up political message boards?

 

[daveman]

SO why do you think that increased hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and droughts are not bad things?
Do you also realize that greenhouse gasses cause/increase cancer, lung ailments, heart problems, autism, brain diseases and other diseases?
Do you also realzie that a changing climate has already and will conune to cause crop failures pushing up the price of food?
You can put your head in the sand and ignore reality.

Because there has been no increase in the frequency or power of hurricanes. Try looking up the real science behind your dstatements someday. You won't make such an epic fool of yourself that way.

K so you are a liar.
1) Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist
6,000 people die each year due to global warmings’ increase in tropical storms
^Crisis Prevention & Recovery | UNDP
Global warming’s effect on tropical storms cost the economy 60 billion dollars each year.
(Total increase in American cost x [total tropical storms/total Atlantic storms] = total cost)
http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/hurr_122106a.pdf

2) Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought
Drought's Growing Reach: NCAR Study Points to Global Warming as Key Factor - News Release
The increase in droughts due to global warming kills 23,000 people and costs 45 billion every year.
http://www.wateryear2003.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5137&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

3) Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library
The increase in floods due to global warming kills 20,000 people, and costs the economy 45 billion each year.

4)
Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields
^
Food Security Wanes As World Warms - Science News
^Global warming/climate change responsible for a decline in food yields such as cereals in The Former Soviet Union. Future warming/climate change will result in a decline in food yields and a spike in food costs.
^
August 12 News: Heat Wave Reduces Crop Harvests; Senate Democrats Urge White House to Act on Smog Rule | ThinkProgress
^The unprecedented heat wave that occurred in the United State in 2011caused corn yields to fall by 4.1%, soybeans by 5.2%, and wheat by 5.2%.
^
Breeding ozone-tolerant crops
^Scientists find that if current trends of ground level Ozone (which occurs due to fossil fuel emissions reacting with Carbons and sunlight) stay it will reduce soybean yields by 23% by 2050
^
Record Heat Causes Peanut Butter Prices to Skyrocket: "I Don't Remember A Year" We Had "So Little Moisture" | ThinkProgress
^Climate change in 2010-2011 caused peanut prices to increase by over 50%

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.
Tornadoes are formed when hot air collides with cold air.
Usually when the hot air is below the cold air, when the hot air rises and the cold air falls it causes tornadoes to form.

Increasing number of wildfires is caused by global warming, study finds - The Boston Globe
^Since 1986 wildfires have increased by 400%, and acres burned has increased by 650%.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Global warming drank all my beer.

 

[daveman]

The sun does not get cold.

It's really simple. To think that a few guys who call the sun "cold" are trying to speak intelligently to climate is a joke.

What does it have to do with the prospect of global warming? I have no idea.

But the sun doesn't get cold.

TRANSLATION:

 

[Sweet Willy]

No, there is no reasonable use of '"the sun gets cold". It just doesn't. Sun spots are lower in temperature, the sun may become slightly less radiant or of slightly less intensity, but it doesn't get cold.

The important thing to take away from this is that when given many choices that are far more accurate and acceptable and would convey a far less controversial idea, Ol' Fitz refuses and instead decides to stick with the option that is the worst fit, the least accurate and has to be stretched all out of shape to even get close to describing a slight variation in the suns radiance.

A slight variation in the suns radiance could be described as:

"slight variations in suns radiance"

"a slight decrease in the suns intensity"

"a slight decrease in surface temperatures"

We could even say the the sun "cooled" ever so slightly.

But the sun doesn't "get cold"

When offered all these choices, you guys want to stick with "the sun gets cold".

This fact of the sun is not very important to the point at all. The point is, once you guys are stuck on an idea, even one as lame and insignificant as this one, even when much better alternatives exist and are presented to you, you still chose the lamest and worst option.

Tell me why anything else you have to say is not liable to be equally lame and loose with the truth, but you have just refused to accept a better idea?

That's the point.

That and... the sun doesn't get cold.

Or you could just go out and buy the book that we are all referring to. That way, maybe, you won't look like such a nimrod. Somehow I doubt that too.

"In Cold Sun, author John L. Casey, a former White House national space policy advisor, NASA Headquarters consultant, and space shuttle engineer reveals the untold story of ominous changes taking place in the Sun, which will result in inevitable and unstoppable climate changes on Earth."


Cold Sun

No!! Some childish twit on the internet OBVIOUSLY knows more than that amateur!!

Right, SmallWilly?

The guy who wrote the "Cold Sun" book? Claiming that the sun is going to "hibernate", there won't be enough sunshine to grow food, plants will all die and crops will fail? That guy?

I don't know if he knows what he is talking about with his predictions. I know that there is no human history to back it up. It's all in theory. What we know is that the sun doesn't get cold. Ever. And there is no evidence that it will in any fathomable length of time for us to consider. We suspect that like most stars, the sun will eventually swell up and swallow the Earth at some point... probably be pretty hot here then too. But we aren't talking about things on that scale of time, are we? In reference to what ol' Fitz was talking about, debunking man made global warming as something we are experiencing NOW, we aren't talking about billions of years. The reference has been to 11 year or so cycles where the sun supposedly gets "cold".

But the Cold Sun link? You mean you found something on the internet to support some stupid claim? You're kidding right? So did I. I posted it up long ago:

The Sun Is Cold, I


Tell me what you want to know.... I'll find someone on the internet that will give you the validation you need!

How about global warming? Man... you got a whole bunch of PHDs with books they wrote to face down, don't you guys? Not that I know anymore about that than I know about a cold sun.

Cause you see.... the sun doesn't get cold.

 

[daveman]

Or you could just go out and buy the book that we are all referring to. That way, maybe, you won't look like such a nimrod. Somehow I doubt that too.

"In Cold Sun, author John L. Casey, a former White House national space policy advisor, NASA Headquarters consultant, and space shuttle engineer reveals the untold story of ominous changes taking place in the Sun, which will result in inevitable and unstoppable climate changes on Earth."


Cold Sun

No!! Some childish twit on the internet OBVIOUSLY knows more than that amateur!!

Right, SmallWilly?

The guy who wrote the "Cold Sun" book? Claiming that the sun is going to "hibernate", there won't be enough sunshine to grow food, plants will all die and crops will fail? That guy?

I don't know if he knows what he is talking about with his predictions. I know that there is no human history to back it up. It's all in theory. What we know is that the sun doesn't get cold. Ever. And there is no evidence that it will in any fathomable length of time for us to consider. We suspect that like most stars, the sun will eventually swell up and swallow the Earth at some point... probably be pretty hot here then too. But we aren't talking about things on that scale of time, are we? In reference to what ol' Fitz was talking about, debunking man made global warming as something we are experiencing NOW, we aren't talking about billions of years. The reference has been to 11 year or so cycles where the sun supposedly gets "cold".

But the Cold Sun link? You mean you found something on the internet to support some stupid claim? You're kidding right? So did I. I posted it up long ago:

The Sun Is Cold, I


Tell me what you want to know.... I'll find someone on the internet that will give you the validation you need!

How about global warming? Man... you got a whole bunch of PHDs with books they wrote to face down, don't you guys? Not that I know anymore about that I know about a cold sun.

Cause you see.... the sun doesn't get cold.

Yeah, kid, you just make sure you don't look at a single thing that proves how ridiculous you are.

You and your third-grade education are just waaaay too smart for us normal people.

 

[Sweet Willy]

No!! Some childish twit on the internet OBVIOUSLY knows more than that amateur!!

Right, SmallWilly?

The guy who wrote the "Cold Sun" book? Claiming that the sun is going to "hibernate", there won't be enough sunshine to grow food, plants will all die and crops will fail? That guy?

I don't know if he knows what he is talking about with his predictions. I know that there is no human history to back it up. It's all in theory. What we know is that the sun doesn't get cold. Ever. And there is no evidence that it will in any fathomable length of time for us to consider. We suspect that like most stars, the sun will eventually swell up and swallow the Earth at some point... probably be pretty hot here then too. But we aren't talking about things on that scale of time, are we? In reference to what ol' Fitz was talking about, debunking man made global warming as something we are experiencing NOW, we aren't talking about billions of years. The reference has been to 11 year or so cycles where the sun supposedly gets "cold".

But the Cold Sun link? You mean you found something on the internet to support some stupid claim? You're kidding right? So did I. I posted it up long ago:

The Sun Is Cold, I


Tell me what you want to know.... I'll find someone on the internet that will give you the validation you need!

How about global warming? Man... you got a whole bunch of PHDs with books they wrote to face down, don't you guys? Not that I know anymore about that I know about a cold sun.

Cause you see.... the sun doesn't get cold.

Yeah, kid, you just make sure you don't look at a single thing that proves how ridiculous you are.

You and your third-grade education are just waaaay too smart for us normal people.

Just saying... even a third grade education includes a simple little fact:

The sun does not get cold.

It's one of the most elementary things we could be arguing about. It's so funny, and so much fun, to see grown men carrying on for days trying to convince folks that the sun gets cold sometimes.

These are your scientist and "intellectuals" who claim that global warming isn't possible. But the sun gets cold?

I don't know about global warming.

What I do know is that the sun doesn't get cold.

You guys are priceless!

Stay out of that cold sun now. I don't want you to get frost bite.

 

[westwall]

The sun does not get cold.

It's really simple. To think that a few guys who call the sun "cold" are trying to speak intelligently to climate is a joke.

What does it have to do with the prospect of global warming? I have no idea.

But the sun doesn't get cold.

And the Earth doesn't get warm. Got it!

 

[Sweet Willy]

The sun does not get cold.

It's really simple. To think that a few guys who call the sun "cold" are trying to speak intelligently to climate is a joke.

What does it have to do with the prospect of global warming? I have no idea.

But the sun doesn't get cold.

And the Earth doesn't get warm. Got it!

If you want to make that stand, be my guest. What it has to do with the fact that the sun doesn't cold is anyone's guess.

The sun doesn't get cold. That is the obvious point here. You guys desperately swinging for days, the replies getting wilder and wilder and still..... nothing that makes any sense to prop up this absurd claim that the sun gets cold.

Don't give an inch boys. It would show your weakness. You can make the sun cold if you just keep trying!