Why does the left continue to HUMILIATE themselves on the WMD issue?

[Truthmatters]

Former CIA Director Tenet Slams Vice President Cheney Over Iraq War

 

[Truthmatters]

BBC NEWS | Americas | Former US terror chief slams Bush

 

[IlarMeilyr]

so the right wing is still lying to itsself about these facts?

what exactly do you think it gains you to lie to yourselves?

No you dope. The right is not lying to itself. Note the proper spelling.

The right is not lying about this at all.

You left wing hack scum are doing that.

Does Fauny ever come on to you? Does he know you are retarded?

 

[Truthmatters]

CIA insider slams Bush antiterror policies - CNN

 

[IlarMeilyr]

CIA insider slams Bush antiterror policies - CNN

Truthmatters post links without any comment.

She seems to think that spouting the opinions of others is the same thing as persuading folks of her beliefs.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

April 17, 2008
Saddam and al-Qaeda
By Debra Baker
Claims that there were no links between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda are wrong. Documents just released by the Pentagon prove it.

In March 2008, the Pentagon released a document that details some of the classified documents from Saddam's regime. This document called the Iraqi Perspectives Project Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents Volume 1 (Redacted) is an overview of "more than 600,000 original captured documents and several thousand hours of audio and video footage archived in a US Department of Defense (DOD) database. As of August 2006, only 15 percent of the captured documents have English translations."[1] This document provides insight into how Saddam operated his regime and his ties to terrorism.

al-Qaeda

Al-Qaeda is not a top-down hierarchical organization, but a mesh of organizations that work together to the same ends - destroying Zionists and Israelis by whatever means necessary. As described by Neil Patrick, a Middle East specialist, al-Qaeda is "a loose confederation with various assignments given to various groups."[2] Osama bin Ladin is at the helm of this loose confederation.

The Council on Foreign Relations states that al-Qaeda is affiliated with the following terrorist organizations:

Egyptian Islamic Jihad
The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
Islamic Army of Aden (Yemen)
Jama'at al-Tawhid wal Jihad (Iraq)
Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad (Kashmir)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Salafist Group for Call and Combat and the Armed Islamic Group (Algeria)
Abu Sayyaf Group (Malaysia, Philippines)
Jemaah Islamiya (Southeast Asia)"[3]

These groups are interconnected; the Council on Foreign Relations states:

"bin Laden's terror network grew out of Egyptian extremist groups, and many of al-Qaeda's leaders are Egyptians. In recent years, bin Laden brought two leaders of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ), Ayman al-Zawahiri and the late Muhammad Atef, into the top echelons of al-Qaeda. In addition, some members of Jamaat al-Islamiyya have reportedly joined al-Qaeda. Overall, dozens of Egyptian militants passed through al-Qaeda training camps in Taliban-run Afghanistan."


Who is the Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ)?

The EIJ "assassinated president Anwar Sadat in 1981 and later teamed up with Osama Bin Laden in the Afghan war against the Soviet occupation."[4] In 1998, the EIJ merged with al-Qaeda and "is now a wholly owned subsidiary of al-Qaeda," says Steven Cook, a Middle East expert and the Douglas A. Dillon fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. The group's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is widely regarded as Osama bin Laden's chief deputy."[5]

Now let's look closely at what the Pentagon papers state on Saddam and terrorism.

"Saddam's interest in, and support for, non-Iraqi non-state actors was spread across a wide variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations. For years, Saddam maintained training camps for foreign ‘fighters' drawn from these diverse groups. In some cases, particularly for Palestinians, Saddam was also a strong financial supporter. Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al-Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally shared al-Qaeda's stated goals and objectives."[6]


Is the EIJ associated with al-Qaeda? According to the Council on Foreign Affairs, the EIJ is a "wholly owned subsidiary of al-Qaeda."[7] Considering the September 11, 2001 attack on the US was conducted by both Ayman al-Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden, the facts support the Council on Foreign Affairs description of al-Qaeda. Ayman al-Zawahiri was the leader of the EIJ before it merged with al-Qaeda in 1998. Now let's take a closer look at Saddam and his regime of terror.

On page 16 of the Pentagon papers, there is a memorandum that lists the many terrorist groups that Iraq was supporting. The memorandum was written by the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and is labeled as Extract 10. The recipient of this memorandum was Saddam a decade before Operation Iraqi Freedom. In Extract 10 it lists the EIJ:

"Islamic Jihad Organization [Egyptian Islamic Jihad]


In a meeting in the Sudan we agreed to renew our relations with the Islamic Jihad Organization in Egypt. Our information on the group is as follows:

It was established in 1979.
Its goal is to apply the Islamic shari' a law and establish Islamic rule.
It is considered one of the most brutal Egyptian organizations.
It carried out numerous successful operations, including the assassination of Sadat.
We have previously met with the organization's representative and we agreed on a plan to carry out commando operations against the Egyptian regime."[8]


In Extract 12 on page 16 of the Pentagon papers, there is another memorandum that was drafted in Saddam's office which specifically shows that Saddam was directly financing and training the EIJ:

"Office of the President of the Republic - Secretary

Subject: Carrying out a directive

"There has been agreement since December 24, 1990, with the representative of the Islamic Group organization in Egypt on a plan to move against the Egyptian regime by carrying out commando operations provided that we guarantee them financing and training and provide them with the requirements in accordance with the honorable order of the President [Saddam Hussein] which calls for carrying out commando operations against hostile alliance governments. Afterwards, the operations will cease immediately after the ceasefire.

"With respect to the proposal of our special security agency [IIS] regarding calling a representative of the Islamic Group in Egypt to Iraq in our topsecret personal letter dated 11 March 1993. This letter was in response to the President directing that only financial support is available for now. Intelligence operatives and contacts should be maintained in any movement in the Arab homeland, as indicated by the President in a top-secret letter, dated 25 March 1992. [Emphasis added]"[9]


Saddam and State Terrorism

Saddam was in the business of terror. From the recruitment, training, financing, and support of terrorism, Saddam formed an alliance with terror. Of course Saddam obtained control of Iraq via his terrorist Baath party, but the Pentagon Papers on Saddam reveal much more to Saddam's terrorist ties. The UN sanctions imposed after the 1991 Gulf War,

"reduced Saddam's ability to shape regional and world events, steadily draining his military, economic, and military powers. The rise of Islamist fundamentalism in the region gave Saddam the opportunity to make terrorism, one of the few tools remaining in Saddam's "coercion" toolbox, not only cost effective but a formal instrument of state power."[10]


The UN sanctions were working, but Saddam being resourceful saw the jihadist movement as a vehicle to carry out his anti-American and anti-Israeli actions.

Terrorist Training Camps in Iraq

Saddam had terrorist training camps within Iraq. The Pentagon report on Saddam goes on to say that "captured Iraqi archives reveal that Saddam was training Arab fighters (non-Iraqi) in Iraqi training camps more than a decade prior to Operation Desert Storm (1991). A Saddam memorandum directed the IIS to submit a list of foreign nationals who were trained in Iraq and carried out operations during the 1991 war against the United States. In response, the IIS sent a list of one-hundred names of foreign national fighters, categorized by country"[11]

"[Foreign national fighters by country]

Palestine 38
Lebanon 10
Tunisia 8
Egypt 4
Libya 1
Sudan 18
Syria 10
Eritrea 7
Morocco 3
Unknown 1"[12]


The Pentagon papers on Saddam state:

"under Saddam, the Iraqi regime used its paramilitary Fedayeen Saddam training camps to train terrorists for use inside and outside Iraq. In 1999, the top ten graduates of each Fedayeen Saddam class were specifically chosen for assignment to London, from there to be ready to conduct operations anywhere in Europe."[13] Saddam was training non-Iraqi's to carry out terrorist actions throughout Europe.


The Pentagon papers on Saddam go on to explain the following specific training that was supplied in Iraq:

"Re-equipping and training Palestinian fighters in al-Quds training camps [in Iraq].
Establishing and activating a course to train Arab Liberation Front fighters on martyrdom operations.
Establishing fighter schools for Arab volunteers and later Iraqi volunteers.
Re-establishing and re-equipping the military base of the Arab Liberation Front.
Training groups from the occupied territories [Palestine] on light weapons and tanks in secret thirty-day courses." [14]


State Support of Terrorism

Saddam provided support to terrorists that only a state could provide by issuing passports to known terrorists so they could move about freely. The Pentagon papers on Saddam state the

"M8 annual report also notes that among the 699 passports, renewals, and other official documentation that the IIS issued, many were issued to known members of terrorist organizations."[15]


A specific example of Saddam issuing passports to and harboring a known terrorist is Abu aI-Abbas, a Palestinian Liberation Front leader. Saddam allowed Abu aI-Abbas and his wife to live in Iraq under Saddam's protection. Saddam went so far as to issue both Abu aI-Abbas and his wife diplomatic passports so they could travel the Middle East freely. "Abu aI-Abbas originally fled to Iraq to avoid an Italian warrant imposing five life terms for his part in the 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise liner Achille Lauro and the murder of an American citizen." [16]

Funding of Terrorism

Not only did Saddam provide training and support to terrorists, Saddam readily financed them.

Saddam was financing the EIJ from at least 1990 and after based on the letter drafted by the Office of the President of the Republic -- Secretary (Extract 12). A specific example is a memo that was "drafted in Saddam's office, it refers to an agreement with Islamic terrorists to conduct operations against the Egyptian regime during the first Gulf War (1991) and for continued financial support for the terrorists after hostilities ended."[17]

In conclusion, the Pentagon Papers clearly show that Saddam had direct ties to the EIJ. Saddam was both financing and training EIJ members from as far back as 1990. The support Saddam was providing was ongoing. According to the Council on Foreign Relations, the EIJ merged with al-Qaeda in 1998. Therefore, Saddam was financing and training al-Qaeda.

The Pentagon papers only stated the EIJ link, not specifically the al-Qaeda link. The second in command of al-Qaeda and the person who masterminded 9/11 is Ayman al-Zawahiri. Ayman al-Zawahiri was the leader of the EIJ prior to its 1998 merging with al-Qaeda. This truth has been subverted by the media. All the major media outlets have just quoted what is written in the Executive Summary of the document which states that there is no "smoking gun[18]." But upon further investigation of the EIJ, a direct link between al-Qaeda and Saddam's Iraq is seen.

Archived-Articles: Saddam and al-Qaeda

Now, you Fauny, scurry off to provide your usual withering retort. It must include some play on my username. You must use a lot of the logical fallacy known as "arguing to the man" rather than to the point. You must make some idiotic fallacious argument attacking the "messenger" (in this case your target, beyond me, should be "American Thinker"). Deny everything and do some of your standard bluff and bluster.

In the end, though, you will remain wrong.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I have to stop doing Fauny's homework. It's pointless, obviously. There's no chance he will be able to learn anything.

But let's just put another one of his endless lies to bed:

For example, no one disputes that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who once ran an Al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan and is leading Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks in Iraq today, was in Iraq BEFORE the war started getting medical care. In and of itself, that would seem to strongly suggest a significant connection.

But wait, there’s more!

Consider this comment by former CIA Director George Tenet in a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee on October 7, 2002:

“Credible reporting states that al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.”​

Here’s more from Richard Miniter, author of “Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton’s Failures Unleashed Global Terror“:

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam’s hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq’s Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam’s son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddam’s mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on February 6, 2003.

* In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddam’s son Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

* Mohamed Mansour Shahab, a smuggler hired by Iraq to transport weapons to bin Laden in Afghanistan, was arrested by anti-Hussein Kurdish forces in May, 2000. He later told his story to American intelligence and a reporter for the New Yorker magazine.​

Here’s more from Weekly Standard columnist Stephen Hayes, author of “The Connection : How al Qaeda’s Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America“:

“Evan Bayh, Democrat from Indiana, has described the Iraq-al Qaeda connection as a relationship of “mutual exploitation.” Joe Lieberman said, “There are extensive contacts between Saddam Hussein’s government and al Qaeda.” George Tenet, too, has spoken of those contacts and goes further, claiming Iraqi “training” of al Qaeda terrorists on WMDs and provision of “safe haven” for al Qaeda in Baghdad. Richard Clarke once said the U.S. government was “sure” Iraq had provided a chemical-weapons precursor to an al Qaeda-linked pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. Even Hillary Clinton cited the Iraq-al Qaeda connection as one reason she voted for the Iraq War.”​

So is there proof that Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda worked together to hit targets in the US? No. But, is there extensive evidence that they had ties and worked together at times? Absolutely.

Debunking 8 Anti-War Myths About The Conflict In Iraq | Right Wing News

Fauny, you little hack bitch, get back here and lie your ass off some more.

 

[Faun]

President Bush ALSO said that there were apparent links between al qaeda and Saddam's Iraq. That too was true.

Prove it.

Damn. You brain dead liberals endlessly need to have long settled shit proved all over again.

Tell you what, you fuckwit.

Anybody can prove that one. Even you. So, now do it, and then fuck yourself.

Deal?

Translation: you can't prove it.

Ya think anybody didn't already know that, Choadbreath?

 

[Truthmatters]

I have to stop doing Fauny's homework. It's pointless, obviously. There's no chance he will be able to learn anything.

But let's just put another one of his endless lies to bed:

For example, no one disputes that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who once ran an Al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan and is leading Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks in Iraq today, was in Iraq BEFORE the war started getting medical care. In and of itself, that would seem to strongly suggest a significant connection.

But wait, there’s more!

Consider this comment by former CIA Director George Tenet in a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee on October 7, 2002:

“Credible reporting states that al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.”​

Here’s more from Richard Miniter, author of “Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton’s Failures Unleashed Global Terror“:

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam’s hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq’s Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam’s son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddam’s mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on February 6, 2003.

* In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddam’s son Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

* Mohamed Mansour Shahab, a smuggler hired by Iraq to transport weapons to bin Laden in Afghanistan, was arrested by anti-Hussein Kurdish forces in May, 2000. He later told his story to American intelligence and a reporter for the New Yorker magazine.​

Here’s more from Weekly Standard columnist Stephen Hayes, author of “The Connection : How al Qaeda’s Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America“:

“Evan Bayh, Democrat from Indiana, has described the Iraq-al Qaeda connection as a relationship of “mutual exploitation.” Joe Lieberman said, “There are extensive contacts between Saddam Hussein’s government and al Qaeda.” George Tenet, too, has spoken of those contacts and goes further, claiming Iraqi “training” of al Qaeda terrorists on WMDs and provision of “safe haven” for al Qaeda in Baghdad. Richard Clarke once said the U.S. government was “sure” Iraq had provided a chemical-weapons precursor to an al Qaeda-linked pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. Even Hillary Clinton cited the Iraq-al Qaeda connection as one reason she voted for the Iraq War.”​

So is there proof that Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda worked together to hit targets in the US? No. But, is there extensive evidence that they had ties and worked together at times? Absolutely.

Debunking 8 Anti-War Myths About The Conflict In Iraq | Right Wing News

Fauny, you little hack bitch, get back here and lie your ass off some more.

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Additionally, he’s also the blogosphere’s premier interviewer and has interviewed conservatives like Thomas Sowell, Mark Levin, Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Steyn, G. Gordon Liddy, Dick Morris, Karl Rove, Michael Steele, Milton Friedman, Ron Paul, Jim DeMint, Jonah Goldberg, Jim DeMint, Walter Williams, Robert Novak, Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich, & Michelle Malkin among others.






Your site and writer are right wing hacks

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Prove it.

Damn. You brain dead liberals endlessly need to have long settled shit proved all over again.

Tell you what, you fuckwit.

Anybody can prove that one. Even you. So, now do it, and then fuck yourself.

Deal?

Translation: you can't prove it.

Ya think anybody didn't already know that, Choadbreath?

The Fauny bastard apparently missed the fact that I have already provided some evidence in the two posts that I offered since the one he quotes.

Not only can I prove it, it has already been proved, you fucking lying degenerate liberal propagandist hack piece of shit motherfucker.

Have a wonderful day you Fauny fuck.

 

[Truthmatters]

CIA insider slams Bush antiterror policies - CNN

Truthmatters post links without any comment.

She seems to think that spouting the opinions of others is the same thing as persuading folks of her beliefs.

They are facts you refuse to allow into your brain case.

then you lap up like pablum the spewing of right wing blogs.

Dude your really bvad at this debate stuff

 

[Truthmatters]

Damn. You brain dead liberals endlessly need to have long settled shit proved all over again.

Tell you what, you fuckwit.

Anybody can prove that one. Even you. So, now do it, and then fuck yourself.

Deal?

Translation: you can't prove it.

Ya think anybody didn't already know that, Choadbreath?

The Fauny bastard apparently missed the fact that I have already provided some evidence in the two posts that I offered since the one he quotes.

Not only can I prove it, it has already been proved, you fucking lying degenerate liberal propagandist hack piece of shit motherfucker.

Have a wonderful day you Fauny fuck.

You provided right wing hackery you fool.


For you that is all there is in the world

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I have to stop doing Fauny's homework. It's pointless, obviously. There's no chance he will be able to learn anything.

But let's just put another one of his endless lies to bed:

For example, no one disputes that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who once ran an Al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan and is leading Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks in Iraq today, was in Iraq BEFORE the war started getting medical care. In and of itself, that would seem to strongly suggest a significant connection.

But wait, there’s more!

Consider this comment by former CIA Director George Tenet in a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee on October 7, 2002:

“Credible reporting states that al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.”​

Here’s more from Richard Miniter, author of “Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton’s Failures Unleashed Global Terror“:

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam’s hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq’s Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam’s son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddam’s mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on February 6, 2003.

* In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddam’s son Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

* Mohamed Mansour Shahab, a smuggler hired by Iraq to transport weapons to bin Laden in Afghanistan, was arrested by anti-Hussein Kurdish forces in May, 2000. He later told his story to American intelligence and a reporter for the New Yorker magazine.​

Here’s more from Weekly Standard columnist Stephen Hayes, author of “The Connection : How al Qaeda’s Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America“:

“Evan Bayh, Democrat from Indiana, has described the Iraq-al Qaeda connection as a relationship of “mutual exploitation.” Joe Lieberman said, “There are extensive contacts between Saddam Hussein’s government and al Qaeda.” George Tenet, too, has spoken of those contacts and goes further, claiming Iraqi “training” of al Qaeda terrorists on WMDs and provision of “safe haven” for al Qaeda in Baghdad. Richard Clarke once said the U.S. government was “sure” Iraq had provided a chemical-weapons precursor to an al Qaeda-linked pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. Even Hillary Clinton cited the Iraq-al Qaeda connection as one reason she voted for the Iraq War.”​

So is there proof that Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda worked together to hit targets in the US? No. But, is there extensive evidence that they had ties and worked together at times? Absolutely.

Debunking 8 Anti-War Myths About The Conflict In Iraq | Right Wing News

Fauny, you little hack bitch, get back here and lie your ass off some more.

About Us | Right Wing News


John Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Right Wing News, Linkiest and Viral Footage. He also does weekly appearances on the #1 in it’s market Jaz McKay show, writes a weekly column for Townhall, does daily YouTube videos, and his work has also been published at the Washington Examiner, The Hill, Pajamas Media, and at Human Events.

Additionally, he’s also the blogosphere’s premier interviewer and has interviewed conservatives like Thomas Sowell, Mark Levin, Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Steyn, G. Gordon Liddy, Dick Morris, Karl Rove, Michael Steele, Milton Friedman, Ron Paul, Jim DeMint, Jonah Goldberg, Jim DeMint, Walter Williams, Robert Novak, Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich, & Michelle Malkin among others.






Your site and writer are right wing hacks

Truthmatters, you retard,

I directed your Fauny friend to come back and lie his ass off and I had already told him to spread around some of his usual fallacies.

Why are you doing that job for him?

Is it a crush? You retards have a thing going on between you?

For what it's worth, you dopey mutt, I don't give a damn about WHO says something. I don't engage in your fallacious reasoning. I care about WHAT is said and whether or not it is factually supported. Why, it is even theoretically possible (albeit it is just hypothetical) that even a person with no working brain cells, like you, could say something intelligent, factually accurate and verifiable. Unlikely, but "possible."

It would be wrong to reject it just because a moron like you may someday spit something like that out.

 

[bendog]

Just a thought, but maybe W can find those pesky weapons of wass destwucktion in NK

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Just a thought, but maybe W can find those pesky weapons of wass destwucktion in NK

Your next thought will be your first.

 

[expatriate]

This topic always seems to devolve into minutia. Like arguing for days about how many angels can dnance on the head of a pin. The overarching fact is: Team Dubya scared us by telling us there was an absolute certainty that Saddam had weapons of MASS destruction. They talked about mushroom clouds and yellowcake and told us with absolute certainty that not only did Saddam have these enormous stockpiles of weapons of MASS destruction, but that he was in cahoots with Osama bin Laden - AND HAD BEEN SINCE BEFORE 9/11 - and he would, no doubt, give those weapons of MASS destruction to Osama to use against US if we didn't immediately invade conquer and occupy Iraq. Bush scared the sheeple with lies. And to this day, republicans continue to deny that fact. Sad.

The argument is taken up wherever you dipshits spin your dishonesty.

he belief that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD was completely reasonable based on the circumstances at that time and what we knew or believed we knew.

They made some references to mushroom clouds because tht is the very thing that we wanted to make sure could never happen. There was never a claim that he had nuclear weapons at that time. But he most definitely did have nuclear weapons objectives. And even though you are too dishonest to admit it, not only had he previously had lots of yellowcake, there was a decent basis to believe that he was again seeking more yellowcake.

President Bush ALSO said that there were apparent links between al qaeda and Saddam's Iraq. That too was true.

In short, you lie. President Bush didn't lie. He didn't lie to scare the people nor did he lie at all in this regard (even though it may be fair to say that he was wrong to some degree).

Finally, the people don't vote to go to war, you simpleton. Congress does. And they were very clear as to WHY they voted to authorize that war. It's more than a bit revealing that the actual official and stated reasons don't correspond with your bullshit claims.

I have no quarrel with Dubya BELIEVING that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's. He is free to BELIEVE whatever the hell he wants to. I DO have a problem with his statements that there was ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that stockpiles existed. THAT was a LIE... pure and simple.

There WAS NO LINK between Iraq and AQ prior to 9/11. Al Zarqawi may have been in Iraq prior to 9/11, but he was not there with the blessing of Saddam...AND, more importantly, he was not affiliated with OBL at that time in any case. He joined forces with OBL only after the invasion of Iraq. Team Bush LIED about the Prague meeting that supposedly happened prior to 9/11 and they did so to provide the link between Saddam's supposedly absolutely certain stockpiles of WMD's and the implication that he could and would give them to AQ for their use against US. Misleading by lies and fear. Truly despicable.

 

[Truthmatters]

Rummmy claimed they KNEW right hwere they were

 

[IlarMeilyr]

This topic always seems to devolve into minutia. Like arguing for days about how many angels can dnance on the head of a pin. The overarching fact is: Team Dubya scared us by telling us there was an absolute certainty that Saddam had weapons of MASS destruction. They talked about mushroom clouds and yellowcake and told us with absolute certainty that not only did Saddam have these enormous stockpiles of weapons of MASS destruction, but that he was in cahoots with Osama bin Laden - AND HAD BEEN SINCE BEFORE 9/11 - and he would, no doubt, give those weapons of MASS destruction to Osama to use against US if we didn't immediately invade conquer and occupy Iraq. Bush scared the sheeple with lies. And to this day, republicans continue to deny that fact. Sad.

The argument is taken up wherever you dipshits spin your dishonesty.

he belief that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD was completely reasonable based on the circumstances at that time and what we knew or believed we knew.

They made some references to mushroom clouds because tht is the very thing that we wanted to make sure could never happen. There was never a claim that he had nuclear weapons at that time. But he most definitely did have nuclear weapons objectives. And even though you are too dishonest to admit it, not only had he previously had lots of yellowcake, there was a decent basis to believe that he was again seeking more yellowcake.

President Bush ALSO said that there were apparent links between al qaeda and Saddam's Iraq. That too was true.

In short, you lie. President Bush didn't lie. He didn't lie to scare the people nor did he lie at all in this regard (even though it may be fair to say that he was wrong to some degree).

Finally, the people don't vote to go to war, you simpleton. Congress does. And they were very clear as to WHY they voted to authorize that war. It's more than a bit revealing that the actual official and stated reasons don't correspond with your bullshit claims.

I have no quarrel with Dubya BELIEVING that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's. He is free to BELIEVE whatever the hell he wants to. I DO have a problem with his statements that there was ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that stockpiles existed. THAT was a LIE... pure and simple.

There WAS NO LINK between Iraq and AQ prior to 9/11. Al Zarqawi may have been in Iraq prior to 9/11, but he was not there with the blessing of Saddam...AND, more importantly, he was not affiliated with OBL at that time in any case. He joined forces with OBL only after the invasion of Iraq. Team Bush LIED about the Prague meeting that supposedly happened prior to 9/11 and they did so to provide the link between Saddam's supposedly absolutely certain stockpiles of WMD's and the implication that he could and would give them to AQ for their use against US. Misleading by lies and fear. Truly despicable.

I don't give a rat's twat what you do or do not have a problem with.

But if you are man enough to concede that President Bush may have believed what he was saying, then even a moron like you should have enough sense not to (in about a half-a-breath) then call him a "liar." For if you say something that is not correct, it is not necessarily a "lie," you dingleberry.

A lie is a false statement made WITH the knowledge that it is untrue.

You babble incessantly, but almost without exception, when your claims get challenged and examined, they fall apart. Kind of continues to establish that you are the liar.

You suck even at internet political message board debate.

by the way, you fucking asshole lying liberal propagandist douchewad, when al Zarqawi went to Iraq, it was with Saddam's knowledge and permission. I defy you to prove your claim that it wasn't.

Now, I have done some additional research but am not yet ready to "go there." So, for now, I'll just recommend that you go jump in a lake.

 

[expatriate]

The argument is taken up wherever you dipshits spin your dishonesty.

he belief that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD was completely reasonable based on the circumstances at that time and what we knew or believed we knew.

They made some references to mushroom clouds because tht is the very thing that we wanted to make sure could never happen. There was never a claim that he had nuclear weapons at that time. But he most definitely did have nuclear weapons objectives. And even though you are too dishonest to admit it, not only had he previously had lots of yellowcake, there was a decent basis to believe that he was again seeking more yellowcake.

President Bush ALSO said that there were apparent links between al qaeda and Saddam's Iraq. That too was true.

In short, you lie. President Bush didn't lie. He didn't lie to scare the people nor did he lie at all in this regard (even though it may be fair to say that he was wrong to some degree).

Finally, the people don't vote to go to war, you simpleton. Congress does. And they were very clear as to WHY they voted to authorize that war. It's more than a bit revealing that the actual official and stated reasons don't correspond with your bullshit claims.

I have no quarrel with Dubya BELIEVING that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's. He is free to BELIEVE whatever the hell he wants to. I DO have a problem with his statements that there was ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that stockpiles existed. THAT was a LIE... pure and simple.

There WAS NO LINK between Iraq and AQ prior to 9/11. Al Zarqawi may have been in Iraq prior to 9/11, but he was not there with the blessing of Saddam...AND, more importantly, he was not affiliated with OBL at that time in any case. He joined forces with OBL only after the invasion of Iraq. Team Bush LIED about the Prague meeting that supposedly happened prior to 9/11 and they did so to provide the link between Saddam's supposedly absolutely certain stockpiles of WMD's and the implication that he could and would give them to AQ for their use against US. Misleading by lies and fear. Truly despicable.

I don't give a rat's twat what you do or do not have a problem with.

But if you are man enough to concede that President Bush may have believed what he was saying, then even a moron like you should have enough sense not to (in about a half-a-breath) then call him a "liar." For if you say something that is not correct, it is not necessarily a "lie," you dingleberry.

A lie is a false statement made WITH the knowledge that it is untrue.

You babble incessantly, but almost without exception, when your claims get challenged and examined, they fall apart. Kind of continues to establish that you are the liar.

You suck even at internet political message board debate.

by the way, you fucking asshole lying liberal propagandist douchewad, when al Zarqawi went to Iraq, it was with Saddam's knowledge and permission. I defy you to prove your claim that it wasn't.

Now, I have done some additional research but am not yet ready to "go there." So, for now, I'll just recommend that you go jump in a lake.

If Bush had stated that he BELIEVED that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's, it would not have been a lie. He knew, however, that the intelligence surrounding that issue was laden with caveats and qualifiers... Thus...when he said "There is NO doubt" that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's, he most certainly knew that there was a degree of doubt. Ergo... It was a lie.

If you've got proof that Al Zarqawi was in Iraq with Saddam's knowledge and permission, please present it. All I have read indicates otherwise. But again, whether Saddam knew about him is less important than the fact at he was NOT affiliated with AQ until AFTER our invasion of Iraq.

My assertion stands unrefuted: there was no relationship between Saddam and OBL prior to 9/11. Telling the American people about a meeting between AQ and Saddam's agents in Prague prior to 9/11 was yet another LIE... And those TWO lies scared America into supporting the war and into letting congress know of their support...based upon two clear LIES from Team Bush.

 

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And, as a lifelong democrat, I am PROUD of the fact that, despite enormous political pressure from the frightened sheeple they represented, a MAJORITY of democrats in the US Congress voted AGAINST the idiotic Use of Force Resolution.