Why Does The Left Hate Israel?

Why does the right think what is best for Israel is best for the United States? The US needs to put it's own interests before those of Israel.

I don't hate Israel. I support the people, and their right of statehood.

I spit on the right wing Likud, and their expansionism, oppression of the occupied areas, and their regional neocolonialism. Most Jews seem to agree with me.

Absolutely - at least one third of Israelis support the idea of an independent Palestinian state, and another third are generally on the fence.

The hardliners in the U tend to be so hardline because they have never set foot in Israel and have no idea what its like.
 
Why does the right think what is best for Israel is best for the United States? The US needs to put it's own interests before those of Israel.

I don't hate Israel. I support the people, and their right of statehood.

I spit on the right wing Likud, and their expansionism, oppression of the occupied areas, and their regional neocolonialism. Most Jews seem to agree with me.

Absolutely - at least one third of Israelis support the idea of an independent Palestinian state, and another third are generally on the fence.

The hardliners in the U tend to be so hardline because they have never set foot in Israel and have no idea what its like.

How about 'right of return'?
 
Left don't hate Israel, they just don't worship the Israel. Israel is no friend of ours. The Right believe the bible say Isreal is GOD' chosen and any thing Isreal does must be supported. BS. The left knows the different. The land Israel on on does not belong to Isreal. It was stolen.
 
The communists, AKA the Democrat party, need to bring down the Judea-Christian culture.

We have seen this all before.

It ends ugly.


That's it in a nutshell. I'm still trying to understand their love of the Muslim Brotherhood and other radicals. They are so sympathic toward Muslim terrorists, yet the hatred toward Egypt is intense. I think there is plenty of hate toward America by the left, too.

They condemn everything Israel does and could care less that they've been our allies for so long. They embrace those who have been our enemies and they steal plenty from the tax payers to send billions in aid to those countries.

Christianity is blasted on a daily basis, as is capitalism, and now our constitution is under assault.

I can only conclude that our enemies have migrated here with the intent of destroying us from within.
 
Actually, intelligent people aren't too crazy about the chickenhawk, confrontational RW Israeli gov't- including half of Israel.

So defending yourself against vicious murdering thugs is "confrontational?"

I just love the way you turds use words.
 
Yesterday many of us viewed the circular firing squad known as the Democrat Party.

The following gives context to the spectacle....


"WHY DOES THE LEFT HATE ISRAEL?

For decades, most American Jews have believed there were far greater threats from the fringe right than the fringe left in this country. While this view may have been reasonable in the past, it is certainly not so today. The fringe right still exists— the neo—Nazis in Northwest Idaho, Matthew Hale, and David Duke, and the remnants of the KKK. But the views of the fringe right have been marginalized by their repudiation by virtually all mainstream elements on the political right.

The fringe left, on the other hand, has evolved into a broader left, and become more mainstream. The political perspective of this new left is vehemently anti—Israel, and the power and reach of this movement represent a real threat to Israel, and by extension to Jews who support Israel.

The left in this country includes large numbers of academics, journalists, human rights activists, environmental and animal rights activists, entertainers, and some church groups, women's groups, racial advocacy groups and unions. There are also liberals who are members of these same groups. I distinguish between leftists and liberals by one key test: how they feel about the country in which they live. If you tend to regard America as a primarily flawed, evil, unjust, racist country (or at least when Republicans are running it), and most importantly, believe that the US is the primary threat to world peace internationally, then you are a leftist, and not a liberal.

I believe there are several reasons:

1. It is an easy way to express one's hatred for America.

2. Israel is viewed as an outpost of colonialism , and an active practitioner of it.

3. Israel is a western nation, and hence can be judged by the left. Israel is not protected by cultural relativism, as the Arabs are.

4. Leftist Christian churches can escape any lingering guilt about the Holocaust, by turning Israel into a villain. Some leftist churches hate Israel because they think this will help protect their members in the holy land— in other words they feel threatened.

5. Ferocious Muslim hatred of Israel and the Jews reinforces the natural cowardice of many on the left who go along with the Muslims to stay out of their line of fire.

6. Jewish leftists are prominent in the anti—Israel movement. This opens the floodgates for everybody else.

7. Israel is attacked because the secular left is appalled by the influence of religious settlers and their biblical connections to the land of Israel, and by the support for Israel by evangelical Christians, and Christian Zionists."
Archived-Articles: Why Does the Left Hate Israel?


Also from the article, and clearly directed at Jewish Obama-supporters:
"The reason for this hypocrisy I think is the triumph in the academy, and among many in the journalistic profession and the intelligentsia of many western nations, of the noxious notion of moral and especially cultural relativism....that Israel faces far greater threats from the left than the right."


Be aware.
Why did Nixon hate Jews?

 
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Yesterday many of us viewed the circular firing squad known as the Democrat Party.

The following gives context to the spectacle....


"WHY DOES THE LEFT HATE ISRAEL?

For decades, most American Jews have believed there were far greater threats from the fringe right than the fringe left in this country. While this view may have been reasonable in the past, it is certainly not so today. The fringe right still exists— the neo—Nazis in Northwest Idaho, Matthew Hale, and David Duke, and the remnants of the KKK. But the views of the fringe right have been marginalized by their repudiation by virtually all mainstream elements on the political right.

The fringe left, on the other hand, has evolved into a broader left, and become more mainstream. The political perspective of this new left is vehemently anti—Israel, and the power and reach of this movement represent a real threat to Israel, and by extension to Jews who support Israel.

The left in this country includes large numbers of academics, journalists, human rights activists, environmental and animal rights activists, entertainers, and some church groups, women's groups, racial advocacy groups and unions. There are also liberals who are members of these same groups. I distinguish between leftists and liberals by one key test: how they feel about the country in which they live. If you tend to regard America as a primarily flawed, evil, unjust, racist country (or at least when Republicans are running it), and most importantly, believe that the US is the primary threat to world peace internationally, then you are a leftist, and not a liberal.

I believe there are several reasons:

1. It is an easy way to express one's hatred for America.

2. Israel is viewed as an outpost of colonialism , and an active practitioner of it.

3. Israel is a western nation, and hence can be judged by the left. Israel is not protected by cultural relativism, as the Arabs are.

4. Leftist Christian churches can escape any lingering guilt about the Holocaust, by turning Israel into a villain. Some leftist churches hate Israel because they think this will help protect their members in the holy land— in other words they feel threatened.

5. Ferocious Muslim hatred of Israel and the Jews reinforces the natural cowardice of many on the left who go along with the Muslims to stay out of their line of fire.

6. Jewish leftists are prominent in the anti—Israel movement. This opens the floodgates for everybody else.

7. Israel is attacked because the secular left is appalled by the influence of religious settlers and their biblical connections to the land of Israel, and by the support for Israel by evangelical Christians, and Christian Zionists."
Archived-Articles: Why Does the Left Hate Israel?


Also from the article, and clearly directed at Jewish Obama-supporters:
"The reason for this hypocrisy I think is the triumph in the academy, and among many in the journalistic profession and the intelligentsia of many western nations, of the noxious notion of moral and especially cultural relativism....that Israel faces far greater threats from the left than the right."


Be aware.

I would say you support that article, because you choose to see the world in that partisan way. I've always been a supporter of Israel, but like many Jewish people, I know that in order to eventually have peace some kind of agreement, it is going to have to be worked out over the occupied territories. Now, don't get me wrong, I am rather hawkish when it comes to war. I would have dropped leaflets over Gaza telling the people, if they hear a missile fired, get the hell out of there as fast as you can because there is a bomb coming. If they tried to fire another missile from that area, they'd be doing it in a crater. I'd already have my bombers in the air and drop one on that location as fast as I could. I would explain in the leaflet that if the people had a problem with that, take it up with whomever is shooting the missile at us. I would explain any location shooting a missile at us will be targeted and they aren't going to be little bombs, but big bombs. I would leave it up to the people of Gaza to insist on distance between the people and those shooting off missiles. That means they would have to be out in the open and could be attacked before setting up the missile for launch.

I don't see much difference between the two parties and their relationship with Israel. The GOP tries to make something out of it, but only partisans buy that crap. From what I've seen the people looking for solutions run the spectrum in Israel and the United States. I think the United States treats Israel as an ally and from my personal experience I know the whole base at Camp Lejeune was put on allert during the Yom Kippur War. To me that says the United States is going to cover Israel's back. Partisan politics, particularly from the right likes to make a lot to do about nothing. They feel Florida slipping away, so they lie and try to go after the Jewish vote. That's all it boils down to and has nothing to do with our strategic interests in Israel. Israel is the only country in that area with nuclear weapons and it doesn't menace anyone with their power. Now while the partisans are playing their games, there is something to think about. Iran is a ticking nuclear time bomb and even with it's economy in a shambles, it doesn't show signs of letting up on nuclear weapons development. I don't think we have those 4 more years of Obama left before something will have to be done. The world has time, but I don't think there is that much time left to safely deal with that situation.

Events in the world have already been set in motion to test the integrity of your article. It's going to be interesting how it plays out, because I don't think Israel can take on those hardened sites by itself with conventional weapons. They would have to knock out the air defense to get to the sites and I doubt they have or can deliver a bunker buster bomb. They could drop a penetrating small nuclear device though and that would do the trick.
 
They don't. What is the benefit in convincing yourselves that they do?
 
They don't. What is the benefit in convincing yourselves that they do?

You never tire of proving that you are blind, at least politically.
As you are clearly not very educated, perhaps the following will serve as a palliative.

From "Terror and Liberalism," Berman, chapter six:

1. In the manner that would be familiar to anyone familiar with the history of the French anti-war Socialists, people around the world rushed to find theories that explained that apparent mass pathologies were not actually pathologies, and terror tactics were reasonable and explicable- perhaps even admirable. Islamist ideology was not actually Islamist ideology. Hamas was not Hamas, and, in fact, the goal of suicide bombers was actually a moderate and plausible two-state partition. After all, terror is merely a pressure tactic.

a. Suicide was simply the sign that Palestinians could no longer endure life without a state of their own.

b. Israel’s religious fanatics, by seizing land for settlements, had driven masses of Palestinians out of their minds.

c. Each new act of suicide and murder testified as to how oppressive the Israelis were.

d. Every new atrocity produced a search for new accusations against Israel.



2. Whatever declension of tropes were offered, they centered on some definition of Zionism that presented it as other than a program of national self-determination for Jews.

a. Zionism is racism, and held up in comparison with the white Republic of South Africa, both practitioners of apartheid. For this one, one must overlook the non-European Jews, and pretend that Israel’s European Jews were colonial settlers rather than refugees.

b. Yet, this trope fails to explain suicide terror in the trope, as even the worst white racism in South Africa, resistance never slipped into this lowest level of nihilism.




3. It became necessary, then, to move to an angrier trope: Israel, a Nazi entity, so devoted to evil that suicide murder becomes an understandable reaction. Of course, one must overlook the fact that Arab nationalism favored Nazism well into the ‘60’s.

a. It was even more difficult to see the Israelis as Nazis given the relatively civilized military tactics of house-to-house fighting, in Jenin in 2002, for example, which cost 23 Israeli lives, vs. 52 Palestinians. (Second Intifada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Certainly not a Russian-style Grozny battle. “The 1999–2000 battle of Grozny was the siege and assault of the Chechen capital Grozny by Russian forces, lasting from late 1999 to early 2000. The siege and fighting left the capital devastated. In 2003 the United Nations called Grozny the most destroyed city on Earth.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999–2000)

b. And, with the alacrity of a firehouse dog responding to a bell, there were folks all around the world leaping to conflate Jenin and Auschwitz, and the like. I just tried the terms together and got 17,500 hits on google. How difficult to believe that a rational logic governs the world.
 
why conservatives hate puppies?

oh, isn't the point of this stupid fucking thread, started by a stupid fucking moron, to just say dumb shit that isn't true about political groups?

What a brilliant post!

Public school grad?

a lot of brilliant people came out of public schools, you elitist bitch. i didn't realize you paid for intelligence. clearly if you did, you overbought and under-performed.

let me answer your question again: the left doesn't hate israel. we just don't think they shit ice cream. you do. therefore you're a doe-eyed fool who believes only one side of the story and that's all you listen to. oh wait, just like everything else in conservativeland.
 
why conservatives hate puppies?

oh, isn't the point of this stupid fucking thread, started by a stupid fucking moron, to just say dumb shit that isn't true about political groups?

What a brilliant post!

Public school grad?

a lot of brilliant people came out of public schools, you elitist bitch. i didn't realize you paid for intelligence. clearly if you did, you overbought and under-performed.

let me answer your question again: the left doesn't hate israel. we just don't think they shit ice cream. you do. therefore you're a doe-eyed fool who believes only one side of the story and that's all you listen to. oh wait, just like everything else in conservativeland.

Profanity is the effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcefully.
So you've been taught neither subject matter nor manners.

"...a lot of brilliant people came out of public schools"

No doubt, true.


But you're not one of 'em.
 
Yesterday many of us viewed the circular firing squad known as the Democrat Party.

The following gives context to the spectacle....


"WHY DOES THE LEFT HATE ISRAEL?"


"The 20% of Israelis of Palestinian heritage do not usually vote in larger numbers. They face so much discrimination that it is hard to convince them that anything good can come from an Israeli election. Moreover, the Israeli Right keeps trying to throw elected Arab parliament members out of parliament, sending a signal that even when Palestinian-Israelis do join in the process, attempts will be made to blunt their influence.

But the scandal, and one that Freedom House just ignored (detracting from its credibility) is that 4 million Palestinians living under Israeli control could not vote in these elections. They could not vote because they are stateless. They are not citizens of any state. And Netanyahu is committed, despite occasional whitewashing of his position in public, to keeping the Palestinians without a state. But Israel controls the air, water and land of Palestine, and dictates Palestinian lives.

If all the people living under the control of the Israeli government could vote, we would be discussing how many seats in the Knesset went to Hamas, Fatah and the PFLP, and whether Fatah would join a centrist coalition against Netanyahu.

What we hear from Ramallah, Bethlehem and Khan Younis is instead the silence of the stateless, the helplessness of the colonized, the groans of Apartheid."

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Yesterday many of us viewed the circular firing squad known as the Democrat Party.

The following gives context to the spectacle....


"WHY DOES THE LEFT HATE ISRAEL?

For decades, most American Jews have believed there were far greater threats from the fringe right than the fringe left in this country. While this view may have been reasonable in the past, it is certainly not so today. The fringe right still exists— the neo—Nazis in Northwest Idaho, Matthew Hale, and David Duke, and the remnants of the KKK. But the views of the fringe right have been marginalized by their repudiation by virtually all mainstream elements on the political right.

The fringe left, on the other hand, has evolved into a broader left, and become more mainstream. The political perspective of this new left is vehemently anti—Israel, and the power and reach of this movement represent a real threat to Israel, and by extension to Jews who support Israel.

The left in this country includes large numbers of academics, journalists, human rights activists, environmental and animal rights activists, entertainers, and some church groups, women's groups, racial advocacy groups and unions. There are also liberals who are members of these same groups. I distinguish between leftists and liberals by one key test: how they feel about the country in which they live. If you tend to regard America as a primarily flawed, evil, unjust, racist country (or at least when Republicans are running it), and most importantly, believe that the US is the primary threat to world peace internationally, then you are a leftist, and not a liberal.

I believe there are several reasons:

1. It is an easy way to express one's hatred for America.

2. Israel is viewed as an outpost of colonialism , and an active practitioner of it.

3. Israel is a western nation, and hence can be judged by the left. Israel is not protected by cultural relativism, as the Arabs are.

4. Leftist Christian churches can escape any lingering guilt about the Holocaust, by turning Israel into a villain. Some leftist churches hate Israel because they think this will help protect their members in the holy land— in other words they feel threatened.

5. Ferocious Muslim hatred of Israel and the Jews reinforces the natural cowardice of many on the left who go along with the Muslims to stay out of their line of fire.

6. Jewish leftists are prominent in the anti—Israel movement. This opens the floodgates for everybody else.

7. Israel is attacked because the secular left is appalled by the influence of religious settlers and their biblical connections to the land of Israel, and by the support for Israel by evangelical Christians, and Christian Zionists."
Archived-Articles: Why Does the Left Hate Israel?


Also from the article, and clearly directed at Jewish Obama-supporters:
"The reason for this hypocrisy I think is the triumph in the academy, and among many in the journalistic profession and the intelligentsia of many western nations, of the noxious notion of moral and especially cultural relativism....that Israel faces far greater threats from the left than the right."


Be aware.
Israel is the birth place of 3 major religions .the destruction of Israel would [in their eyes prove the Bible wrong].it would delegitimize the lefts biggest enemy [white Christians].
 
why conservatives hate puppies?

oh, isn't the point of this stupid fucking thread, started by a stupid fucking moron, to just say dumb shit that isn't true about political groups?

What a brilliant post!

Public school grad?

a lot of brilliant people came out of public schools, you elitist bitch. i didn't realize you paid for intelligence. clearly if you did, you overbought and under-performed.

let me answer your question again: the left doesn't hate israel. we just don't think they shit ice cream. you do. therefore you're a doe-eyed fool who believes only one side of the story and that's all you listen to. oh wait, just like everything else in conservativeland.

Nice..... I bet your a hoot to be around in person.
 

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