Why does the left think the Constitution applies to non-Americans?

[brummelben]

Gotcha, the Constitution was a suicide pact.

So what Constitutional right were non-Citizens deprived of?

They weren't deprived of anything, the people in question were barred entry which isn't a Constitutionally Protected right, if you're barred entry you're not legally on U.S. Soil so for lack of a better phrase you're in "International Waters" a situation which (If I'm not mistaken) affords them international treaty protections but nothing with respect to the U.S. Constitution.

IMHO The left's argument regarding this EO is incredibly specious since it was the Obama Administration that put together the list of 7 Nations and they did it for a very good reason; the Nations on that list either do not have the systems in place or have proven to be unwilling to properly screen travelers and share that screening information with the United States (they're also historically origination points for radical Islamic Terrorist and/or state sponsors of Terrorism) which makes them a PERFECT origination point for those wishing to commit violence and other criminal acts on U.S. Soil. The only reason the Obama Administration didn't issue the same EO that Trump did was they didn't want to face the political backlash from their own party, in other words, they knowing allowed this incredibly risky situation to continue unabated for political reasons.

What was this "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in?

THe "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in is terrorists flooding into our country by the hundreds.

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

 

[bripat9643]

Gotcha, the Constitution was a suicide pact.

So what Constitutional right were non-Citizens deprived of?

What part of this are you having trouble with?
"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

The part I have a problem with is your belief that it applies to foreigners who aren't on American soil. They aren't "within it's jurisdiction."

are u a legal scholar?

I think even a snowflake moron can understand what "within its jurisdiction" means. Furthermore, the SC has already ruled on this issue. It said Trump is within his authority to ban any group he wants for whatever reason he wants.

What supreme court ruling are you referring to? Please be specific

Who can be excluded as an immigrant to the United States?

The Supreme Court ruled on the constitutionality of the Chinese Exclusion Acts in 1889 in the case of Chae Chan Ping v. United States, where the Court said that immigration matters were part of the plenary power shared by the legislative and executive branches and disputes over those laws “are not questions for judicial determination.”

Here's the law Congress pass giving the President authority to ban classes of Immigrant.

(f) Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
​

Furthermore, we are not discussing ordinary "immigrants." They are refugees who cannot even get to our shores without the federal government financing the process. The taxpayers are under no obligation spend money to bring foreigners to our shores.

 

[Yarddog]

They weren't deprived of anything, the people in question were barred entry which isn't a Constitutionally Protected right, if you're barred entry you're not legally on U.S. Soil so for lack of a better phrase you're in "International Waters" a situation which (If I'm not mistaken) affords them international treaty protections but nothing with respect to the U.S. Constitution.

IMHO The left's argument regarding this EO is incredibly specious since it was the Obama Administration that put together the list of 7 Nations and they did it for a very good reason; the Nations on that list either do not have the systems in place or have proven to be unwilling to properly screen travelers and share that screening information with the United States (they're also historically origination points for radical Islamic Terrorist and/or state sponsors of Terrorism) which makes them a PERFECT origination point for those wishing to commit violence and other criminal acts on U.S. Soil. The only reason the Obama Administration didn't issue the same EO that Trump did was they didn't want to face the political backlash from their own party, in other words, they knowing allowed this incredibly risky situation to continue unabated for political reasons.

What was this "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in?

THe "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in is terrorists flooding into our country by the hundreds.

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

 

[bripat9643]

They weren't deprived of anything, the people in question were barred entry which isn't a Constitutionally Protected right, if you're barred entry you're not legally on U.S. Soil so for lack of a better phrase you're in "International Waters" a situation which (If I'm not mistaken) affords them international treaty protections but nothing with respect to the U.S. Constitution.

IMHO The left's argument regarding this EO is incredibly specious since it was the Obama Administration that put together the list of 7 Nations and they did it for a very good reason; the Nations on that list either do not have the systems in place or have proven to be unwilling to properly screen travelers and share that screening information with the United States (they're also historically origination points for radical Islamic Terrorist and/or state sponsors of Terrorism) which makes them a PERFECT origination point for those wishing to commit violence and other criminal acts on U.S. Soil. The only reason the Obama Administration didn't issue the same EO that Trump did was they didn't want to face the political backlash from their own party, in other words, they knowing allowed this incredibly risky situation to continue unabated for political reasons.

What was this "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in?

THe "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in is terrorists flooding into our country by the hundreds.

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

Anyone who believes in Islam is a savage. Civilized people understand that the Qur'an is pure nonsense concieve of by a madman.

 

[bripat9643]

What was this "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in?

THe "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in is terrorists flooding into our country by the hundreds.

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The left is incredibly confused on the Constitution

It is because most liberals cannot read for comprehension. Their ignorance then leads them to liberalism.

 

[bripat9643]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

Because a government empowered to strip people of their rights based on their 'papers' is a threat to everyone. Most especially its own citizens.

What "rights" do foreigners residing on foreign soil have in America?

 

[brummelben]

THe "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in is terrorists flooding into our country by the hundreds.

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

Obviously you know shit about that religion. Piss on you

 

[brummelben]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

Because a government empowered to strip people of their rights based on their 'papers' is a threat to everyone. Most especially its own citizens.

What "rights" do foreigners residing on foreign soil have in America?

14th amendment

 

[bripat9643]

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

Obviously you know shit about that religion. Piss on you

I obviously know more than you about Islam. Do you believe it's a "religion of peace?"

 

[bripat9643]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

Because a government empowered to strip people of their rights based on their 'papers' is a threat to everyone. Most especially its own citizens.

What "rights" do foreigners residing on foreign soil have in America?

14th amendment

The 14th Amendment doesn't apply to foreigners on foreign soil.

 

[brummelben]

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

Obviously you know shit about that religion. Piss on you

I obviously know more than you about Islam. Do you believe it's a "religion of peace?"

I believe that you don't know shit about that religion

 

[bripat9643]

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

Obviously you know shit about that religion. Piss on you

I obviously know more than you about Islam. Do you believe it's a "religion of peace?"

I believe that you don't know shit about that religion

But you can't prove it, can you?

 

[brummelben]

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

Obviously you know shit about that religion. Piss on you

I obviously know more than you about Islam. Do you believe it's a "religion of peace?"

I believe that you don't know shit about that religion

But you can't prove it, can you?

Yes, its hard to prove that your kind are completely ignorant, but you tend to prove it yourselves

 

[whitehall]

The Constitution applies to every person within the geographical boundary of the United States. The Constitution covers criminals, illegal aliens, terrorists and condemned prisoners as well as law abiding citizens. It does not apply and is not enforceable outside U.S. borders. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Yarddog]

THe "incredibly dangerous situation" that Obama left us in is terrorists flooding into our country by the hundreds.

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

well, we can agree to disagree. I know some Muslims here where I live. They don't all interpret Muhammed's teachings the same way. They have not all been brainwashed in the same way. I will agree though that of all the groups of people in the world, they are the most difficult to assimilate into Western civilization.

 

[bripat9643]

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

Obviously you know shit about that religion. Piss on you

I obviously know more than you about Islam. Do you believe it's a "religion of peace?"

I believe that you don't know shit about that religion

But you can't prove it, can you?

Yes, its hard to prove that your kind are completely ignorant, but you tend to prove it yourselves

It should be easy. Just ask me a question I can answer. So far, you're the one who has been making all the bone head statements that I easily proved to be wrong.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

the constitution applies to everyone on our soil....do some reading up on it.

HINT-this is why we had to set up GITMO, off our soil....

But they are NOT on our soil!

Catch a clue!

 

[bripat9643]

You really got to chill out. Where oh where are these terrorists of yours?

Here's one:

2016 Nice attack - Wikipedia

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19 tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds celebrating Bastille Day on thePromenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people[2] and injuring 434.[4][5][6][7][8] The driver wasMohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian resident of France.[9][10] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police.

Here's a question you leftwing snowflakes never want to answer: What do we gain by importing these Muslim savages? How does this policy benefit the American people?

Is every Muslim who enters the US a savage, or do they represent a tiny portion of all the people.

It's true not every muslim is a savage, but that also doesn't mean you should lull yourself to sleep. Not every muslim who emigrated to France was a savage but now there are regions where French law is scorned upon by the inhabitants who prefer Shariah and force their women to stay home. Good luck changing this now! soon France and other countries will have seperate countries inside themselves. How did that ever happen?

It's not to say that Muslims are savages, it's that it's wise to recognize our cultures are at odds with each other. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims, but recognizing that they also have a huge responsibility themselves to respect and assimilate inside any host country that accepts them.

I disagree. Anyone who believes the bloodthirsty ravings of the madman Muhammad is a savage.

well, we can agree to disagree. I know some Muslims here where I live. They don't all interpret Muhammed's teachings the same way. They have not all been brainwashed in the same way. I will agree though that of all the groups of people in the world, they are the most difficult to assimilate into Western civilization.

What you're saying is that they don't believe the teachings of the bloodthirsty madman. They pick and choose what they believe.

 

[kaz]

"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws""

That is indeed the phrase in question.

Winner winner ^
Chicken Dinner!


"

Gotcha, the Constitution was a suicide pact.

So what Constitutional right were non-Citizens deprived of?

What part of this are you having trouble with?
"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

The part I have a problem with is your belief that it applies to foreigners who aren't on American soil. They aren't "within it's jurisdiction."

are u a legal scholar?

Are you a legal scholar?