Why does the right defend the wealthy class

[bedowin62]

why are left-wingers such petty losers?

so what if some inherited their wealth??

how does that make them not entitled to it?

how does it make the government entitled to it?

 

[Dad2three]

I don't believe you could be more wrong if you tried.

Federal contracts, by law, get spread out throughout the community.

Construction contracts employ many smaller contractors and sub-contractors.

Even things like contracts to supply forms and paper get divided up among many companies.

You have no phucking idea what you are talking about.

But then, you're a right winger so why would we expect any better?

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But, from there, there needs to be close scrutiny of how this money makes it's way "back into the system". When we pay for infrastructure, who gets those bids ? Big companies with high paid CEO's. Essentially, more wealth distribution back into the hands of the rich.

The contracts and legal issues don't allow small guys to play. The deck is already stacked in the favor of the rich.

How am I a right winger. Please explain the basis of that statement ?

Let's see it.

C'mon Arizona Willie ....lets see your proof.

You moron.

Would a right winger start this thread ?

Idiot.

The idiot right winger who started this thread plays a "moderate" about 70% of the time,but is NEVER honest when the rubber hits the road!



How could the "job creators" who haven't had this low of a SUSTAINED tax "burden" (effective) since before the GOP's great depression, haven't created tens of millions jobs the past 15 years?

 

[bedowin62]

You sure do display a lot of anger for someone who has been so successful.

You post the same kind of crap that gas station attendant Republicans do.
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MOST of the uber wealthy, like Trump and Romney, INHERITED their wealth.

THEY DID NOT WORK FOR IT.

THEY DID NOT EARN IT.

Yes there are exceptions such as Jobs who created wildly successful companies.

But they are a distinct minority when it comes to the super rich club.

Most of the wealthy inherited it.

I don't believe I am jealous.

I retired when I was 54.

I live in a gated community with private security.
because you're familiar with the postings on message boards of Republican gas station attendents


why do left-wingers make fools of themselves so easily?

or did i answer my own question there?

I've lived a damn good life but I was one of the LUCKY ones.
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Private property has always been at the heart of this nation.

You want to take that from them. They'll just give it away early.

We don't need to take it. We need to allow people a chance to compete for it.

I watched a show the other night where a government asshole said,when confronted with the all the regs that were killing small businesses in one area......."They don't have a very good business model".

I would have decked the guy if I could have gotten at him.

 

[bedowin62]

I don't believe you could be more wrong if you tried.

Federal contracts, by law, get spread out throughout the community.

Construction contracts employ many smaller contractors and sub-contractors.

Even things like contracts to supply forms and paper get divided up among many companies.

You have no phucking idea what you are talking about.

But then, you're a right winger so why would we expect any better?

========

But, from there, there needs to be close scrutiny of how this money makes it's way "back into the system". When we pay for infrastructure, who gets those bids ? Big companies with high paid CEO's. Essentially, more wealth distribution back into the hands of the rich.

The contracts and legal issues don't allow small guys to play. The deck is already stacked in the favor of the rich.

How am I a right winger. Please explain the basis of that statement ?

Let's see it.

C'mon Arizona Willie ....lets see your proof.

You moron.

Would a right winger start this thread ?

Idiot.

The idiot right winger who started this thread plays a "moderate" about 70% of the time,but is NEVER honest when the rubber hits the road!



How could the "job creators" who haven't had this low of a SUSTAINED tax "burden" (effective) since before the GOP's great depression, haven't created tens of millions jobs the past 15 years?

you conflate total tax burden and make a case that others arent paying enough federal income tax. it's an apples and oranges comparison and you do it every day here
you need to STFU bout others not being honest when the rubber hits the road

 

[Arizona Willie]

I don't have figures for how many are in each income grouping.

That's for the statisticians to figure out. That's what they get paid for.

But we currently have different levels of taxation according to how much Adjusted Gross Income a person has.

Someone with more experience than I would have to figure how many income groupings and where to draw the demarcation lines.

But we constantly see things like " the top 1% gets 80% of the wealth ".

It shouldn't be too difficult to determine who the top 1% and 10% are.

Just as in Trump's plan where he says the couples with below 50K would pay nothing, they would draw up groups based on income level ( gross not adjusted gross ) I would take away all deductions.

No deductions for anyone ... well possibly one for charitable contributions.

But the people should pay the same percentage of the cost to run the country as their income level gets of the national income.

If they are super rich and get 80% they should pay 80% of the cost to run the country, they get 80% of the wealth so why shouldn't they pay 80% of the costs. As a group, individual tax could vary. Not everyone with say $50 million gross income would pay the same amount, because of the charitable deduction and also very few would have exactly the same income. But everyone in the group would have between say 70 - 80 % of the nations total income. And that group, as a group, should pay 80% of the nation's bills.

This would follow right down the line and the bottom income levels might well end up paying only 2% as a group and the group might be everyone with income below 30K -- just as an example.

I'm not a statistician nor a math whiz --- just a thinker.

If 10 people go to dinner and one is a pro football player and he orders champagne and filet mignon and the others order different dinners according to what they feel they can afford and one guy just gets a hamburger ... shouldn't the football player pay more than the others? Of course he would ... they would never divide the check into 10 and everyone pay the same because they didn't all get the same.
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Please provide the income distribution as you see it.

Right now, something like 45% of the people in this country pay no taxes. They have SOME income. According to your model (even if it were only 2%), they should be paying 2% of the taxes.

And I agree.

 

[Dad2three]

Gov't IS captured

Liberals/Socialists/Progressives/Communists hate both the middle class and the working class because...

they HATE the "wealthy class".

Go back to school you stupid fuck.

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

My attitude in life has been that no amount of beat-down is going to keep me down.

It's how I've survived for 60 years.

You covet the riches of others, I build strength in my own riches. Which, BTW, do not include money.

I agree.

Every time I see a thread on the rich and how they have made all their money on the backs of the middle class I want to LMAO.

All I see from the posters is a bunch of jealous fucks who wish they were all rich.

I too have my own wealth and it ain't money baby.

This isn't about how the rich made their money on the backs of the middle class.

This is about how the government colludes (somewhat unknowingly) with big business to create barriers to entry.

This thread has turned into the same stupid light beer commercial every other thread turns into.

Don't hate the rich.

Hate the Govt. and it tax loopholes, tax breaks and everything else they offer companies and the rich.

Don't know about you but if I were rich I'd take every advantage I could get. Just human nature.

Gov't IS captured by money, how do we fix that? Oh right get money out of politics and start governing FOR the people again, NOT the top 1/10th of 1% of US

 

[Stephanie]

I love this question.

why does the left VOTE FOR WEALTY to be their masters?

Seven of the top ten RICHEST member's of congress, DEMOCRATS

You would think they would get tired of asking this stupid question

 

[bedowin62]

You sure do display a lot of anger for someone who has been so successful.

You post the same kind of crap that gas station attendant Republicans do.
========

MOST of the uber wealthy, like Trump and Romney, INHERITED their wealth.

THEY DID NOT WORK FOR IT.

THEY DID NOT EARN IT.

Yes there are exceptions such as Jobs who created wildly successful companies.

But they are a distinct minority when it comes to the super rich club.

Most of the wealthy inherited it.

I don't believe I am jealous.

I retired when I was 54.

I live in a gated community with private security.
because you're familiar with the postings on message boards of Republican gas station attendents


why do left-wingers make fools of themselves so easily?

or did i answer my own question there?

I've lived a damn good life but I was one of the LUCKY ones.
========

Private property has always been at the heart of this nation.

You want to take that from them. They'll just give it away early.

We don't need to take it. We need to allow people a chance to compete for it.

I watched a show the other night where a government asshole said,when confronted with the all the regs that were killing small businesses in one area......."They don't have a very good business model".

I would have decked the guy if I could have gotten at him.

why do you want others to "compete for" what doesnt belong to them idiot???

 

[Dad2three]

No, the OP is wondering why so many people who work at convenience stores making 24K support the Republicans who won't pay them a decent wage.

That's the mystery.

Once people get up to making 200K or so, I can understand they have aspirations of becoming uber wealthy.

But poor people have as much chance of becoming wealthy, especially under Republicans, as they do of winning the Lottery twice on the same day and then being hit by lightening and surviving.

Poor people voting Republican is the mystery.

200K ain't poor.

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Everyone strives to become wealthy in the greatest Country in the world. Why does the left, especially the wealthy elitist left, want to demonize people who work their asses off for maybe 200k gross income? All republicans want to do is trim the size of government and allow people to become wealthy without idiots like Obama, who never had a real job, picking their pockets for programs that are designed to keep Blacks in poverty and dependent on government.

In part you are correct.

But the OP also wonders why the left wing allows government to continue to prevent people from opening their own convenience store.

Try borrowing money to open one under the new regs.

Banks hide behind them all the time....to prevent you from getting at that cash.

The "moderate" come out to play, lol

PLEASE explain how AND which regs stop someone from opening a convenience store?

 

[bedowin62]

you're an angry left-wing loser ranting on a message board dummy; i highly doubt you're going to deck anybody

 

[Claudette]

Gov't IS captured

If you look at my posting history...that isn't me.

I am not a progressive.

But the article raises an issue I've had for a long time. The wealthy class link up with the governing class and together they screw us.

There is tons of money in D.C. It's a huge rapefest.

My attitude in life has been that no amount of beat-down is going to keep me down.

It's how I've survived for 60 years.

You covet the riches of others, I build strength in my own riches. Which, BTW, do not include money.

I agree.

Every time I see a thread on the rich and how they have made all their money on the backs of the middle class I want to LMAO.

All I see from the posters is a bunch of jealous fucks who wish they were all rich.

I too have my own wealth and it ain't money baby.

This isn't about how the rich made their money on the backs of the middle class.

This is about how the government colludes (somewhat unknowingly) with big business to create barriers to entry.

This thread has turned into the same stupid light beer commercial every other thread turns into.

Don't hate the rich.

Hate the Govt. and it tax loopholes, tax breaks and everything else they offer companies and the rich.

Don't know about you but if I were rich I'd take every advantage I could get. Just human nature.

Gov't IS captured by money, how do we fix that? Oh right get money out of politics and start governing FOR the people again, NOT the top 1/10th of 1% of US

Sure and get rid of the freeloaders living off the taxpayers.

It would be nirvana then.

 

[Dad2three]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

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So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

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This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.

Why does the left defend the sloths?

We don't, those are usually right wingers like Failin Palin, Duck dynasty idiots, honey boo's, etc. RED STATE ASSHOLES

 

[bedowin62]

I love this question.

why does the left VOTE FOR WEALTY to be their masters?

Seven of the top ten RICHEST member's of congress, DEMOCRATS

You would think they would get tired of asking this stupid question

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somehow left-wing losers think their own filthy riches dont count because they are ranting about the wealth of others

libs are mental-cases

 

[bedowin62]

anybody else think Dad2Three is about to blow a gasket???

 

[Dad2three]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

#############################

So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

######################################

This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.

Why does the left defend the sloths?

The more complex discussion is around the formation and maintenance of the middle class.

Somehow, the left things Obama will save it while he and Reid (a very wealthy Reid) are only adding to wage compression.

In right wing world, Obama should've fixed 30+ years of RESULTS of right wing think tank policy (think Ronnie's NAFTA, tax cuts for the rich, amnesty, etc)...

 

[bedowin62]

how are liberal gazillionaires still gazillionaires????

haven't they led by example and donated all their "extra" wealth to either the government or directly to the needy?????


idiots and hypocrites

 

[Arizona Willie]

Who are you talking to? I didn't threaten to deck anybody

you're an angry left-wing loser ranting on a message board dummy; i highly doubt you're going to deck anybody

 

[Stephanie]

I love this question.

why does the left VOTE FOR WEALTY to be their masters?

Seven of the top ten RICHEST member's of congress, DEMOCRATS

You would think they would get tired of asking this stupid question

\


somehow left-wing losers think their own filthy riches dont count because they are ranting about the wealth of others

libs are mental-cases

I know it. they've swallowed that line of how Democrats are for the little people. well how easy is that to be when it's NOT THEIR MONEY they are promising everyone in their base. they keep their monies in their offshore accounts. look at the Clintons. 160MILLON dollars since Billy boy left the Presidency

 

[bedowin62]

Thom Hartmann: How America Killed Its Middle Class

Not a big fan of Alternet.....but this one makes a statement I think begs a question.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

#############################

So, as we continue to let the rich just go nuts...what is it that isn't there to prevent them.

Why does the far right vote to protect the interest of the rich ?

The answer lies, in part, in the fact that the far left is no better. First, they suck off the rich like others.

Next, they won't make a rational case. They need conservatives to join them. And yet they, like some of the assholes on this board, do nothing but antagonize them.

And the rich just eat it up......

######################################

This thread originally got moved to Europe because I led in with an article about the European middle class.

But the comparison is bright as the day is long.

I bash the left.

I bash the right.

Regardless, this is a huge issue in my mind.

Now, if the left starts squawking about how the rich screw them over...I'd ask how they get away with it. They only get away with it because the government protects them.

The right yells...hands off. But this article flies in the face of that.

Why does the left defend the sloths?

The more complex discussion is around the formation and maintenance of the middle class.

Somehow, the left things Obama will save it while he and Reid (a very wealthy Reid) are only adding to wage compression.

In right wing world, Obama should've fixed 30+ years of RESULTS of right wing think tank policy (think Ronnie's NAFTA, tax cuts for the rich, amnesty, etc)...

um his motto was "change" you mindless moron.; why shouldnte we have believed him???

 

[bedowin62]

Who are you talking to? I didn't threaten to deck anybody

you're an angry left-wing loser ranting on a message board dummy; i highly doubt you're going to deck anybody

your domestic partner Dad2three