Why Don't Atheists Contribute To Society?

[HUGGY]

And the Native Americans...actually the earliest settlers (that we know of) provided much to society.. My favorite is the dragging of two sticks behind a horse or picked up by one end and dragged by human power. Fantastic use of leverage and elbow grease. The spear and the bow and arrow can hardly be ignored as major contributors to getting animals from the range to the dining table....oops ! getting a little ahead of myself... the dining table which keeps food a safe distance from the dirt benieth one's feet wasn't really much use to NA's.

Can't leave out the "spoken" history either. It worked so well for other societies. No real need to write anything down.

You guys ever get tickled seeing white guys claim "Indian status"?

Like ... I'm 1/16th NA... Ha...Ha... THAT means my great ..great ...great ...great grammy was raped by marauding bands of starving NA's out searching for ANYTHING edible.

Wolves...bears..turtles...ya, now it all makes perfect sense.

My FAVORITE contribution is the NA's recruited to add mystery to WWII Army communications... Makes sense to me... the NA's could barely understand their own language and with nothing written down who's the wiser...right?

I don't really blame Y'all for trying to keep whatever you have left as something to remember with dignity. Fortunately for you there wasn't that much... finally packing light has been shown to have had a usefull purpose.

Of course we won't bother to mention corn, peas, beans, peanuts, tobacco, etc. For your own edification though, this Human Being is 3/4 Cherokee and 1/4 Seminole.

Fabulous...but can you hold your liquor?

Don't drink. I told you I was civilized.

Let us list the contributions the white made to the Native American society which was already in place before the white invasion of America:

Let's see. The whites introduced diseases and plagues. The whites introduced war. The Indians aided and fought along side the whites in their battle for independence against the British. The whites introduced treachery. After the Indians aided the whites against the British, the whites turned on the Indians and took their lands. They forced marched the Cherokees off to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears. 4,000 Cherokees died on the march. The whites polluted the clear streams and rivers. The whites filled the clean air with smoke and carbon pollutants. The whites killed off the animals nearly wiping out the buffalo entirely.

Interesting to note that oil was found in Oklahoma where the military had relocated the Cherokees. Some of the Cherokees got extremely wealthy off the deal. Now the Creeks, brothers of the Cherokees are taking the white man's money in their casinos and the tobacco the Indians grew is killing off the whites in droves.

Great fun !!!

I could go on forever discussing on this topic.

I much prefer it over the OP.

I have little in comon with the early white land thieves. My own heritage is more generous to the NA's than the average. My Mother's dad owned several thousand acres of land in Oklahoma. I visited the vast land tract as a youth. Didn't care for it much..neither did my mom and dad. Too hot and dry. Lots of corn and wheat and hogs but we weren't really farmers so grand dad sold the whole place to some NA's that were caretaking the land for a dollar. I never heard what they did with it. Hope they drilled for oil and struck it rich.

When I think back on how I could have ended up a wheat farmer or worse a pig farmer I cringe. My grand dad heard such a load of grief when we returned back to Seattle from that trip out to OK that he realized he couldn't even give it away to my parents so he did the right thing in giving it back to the Injuns.

Me, I have little use for the Redskins. Playing the silent victims is not much of a future. Nobody cares or will care. They should be able to see that from the dissregard given to the negro after they piggybacked their way to freedom on their fortunate outcome of the civil war.

Most of my personal interaction with the red man hasn't really brought out the most desireable outcomes. They are just too bitter and I just don't care about their problems more than my own. They clearly dropped the ball from their first encounters with whitey and the end results were/are quite obvious. Survival after all is the only game worth playing and the stupid fuckers lost miserably. I'm saddened with the naivety of the NAs and how little they valued their offspring's future at the mercy of the white man. They should have fought to the death from day one against the intruders. Indian pride is an oxymoron. Not trying to be overly critical ...but it is what it is.

 

[the_human_being]

how does such an obvious joke of a troll thread go for this many pages?

Goes directly to the intelligence of the responders, wouldn't one of necessity be forced to conclude? LOL!

 

[G.T.]

Yepp.


And the ops life skills.

 

[the_human_being]

And the Native Americans...actually the earliest settlers (that we know of) provided much to society.. My favorite is the dragging of two sticks behind a horse or picked up by one end and dragged by human power. Fantastic use of leverage and elbow grease. The spear and the bow and arrow can hardly be ignored as major contributors to getting animals from the range to the dining table....oops ! getting a little ahead of myself... the dining table which keeps food a safe distance from the dirt benieth one's feet wasn't really much use to NA's.

Can't leave out the "spoken" history either. It worked so well for other societies. No real need to write anything down.

You guys ever get tickled seeing white guys claim "Indian status"?

Like ... I'm 1/16th NA... Ha...Ha... THAT means my great ..great ...great ...great grammy was raped by marauding bands of starving NA's out searching for ANYTHING edible.

Wolves...bears..turtles...ya, now it all makes perfect sense.

My FAVORITE contribution is the NA's recruited to add mystery to WWII Army communications... Makes sense to me... the NA's could barely understand their own language and with nothing written down who's the wiser...right?

I don't really blame Y'all for trying to keep whatever you have left as something to remember with dignity. Fortunately for you there wasn't that much... finally packing light has been shown to have had a usefull purpose.

Of course we won't bother to mention corn, peas, beans, peanuts, tobacco, etc. For your own edification though, this Human Being is 3/4 Cherokee and 1/4 Seminole.

Fabulous...but can you hold your liquor?

Don't drink. I told you I was civilized.

Let us list the contributions the white made to the Native American society which was already in place before the white invasion of America:

Let's see. The whites introduced diseases and plagues. The whites introduced war. The Indians aided and fought along side the whites in their battle for independence against the British. The whites introduced treachery. After the Indians aided the whites against the British, the whites turned on the Indians and took their lands. They forced marched the Cherokees off to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears. 4,000 Cherokees died on the march. The whites polluted the clear streams and rivers. The whites filled the clean air with smoke and carbon pollutants. The whites killed off the animals nearly wiping out the buffalo entirely.

Interesting to note that oil was found in Oklahoma where the military had relocated the Cherokees. Some of the Cherokees got extremely wealthy off the deal. Now the Creeks, brothers of the Cherokees are taking the white man's money in their casinos and the tobacco the Indians grew is killing off the whites in droves.

Great fun !!!

I could go on forever discussing on this topic.

I much prefer it over the OP.

I have little in comon with the early white land thieves. My own heritage is more generous to the NA's than the average. My Mother's dad owned several thousand acres of land in Oklahoma. I visited the vast land tract as a youth. Didn't care for it much..neither did my mom and dad. Too hot and dry. Lots of corn and wheat and hogs but we weren't really farmers so grand dad sold the whole place to some NA's that were caretaking the land for a dollar. I never heard what they did with it. Hope they drilled for oil and struck it rich.

When I think back on how I could have ended up a wheat farmer or worse a pig farmer I cringe. My grand dad heard such a load of grief when we returned back to Seattle from that trip out to OK that he realized he couldn't even give it away to my parents so he did the right thing in giving it back to the Injuns.

Me, I have little use for the Redskins. Playing the silent victims is not much of a future. Nobody cares or will care. They should be able to see that from the dissregard given to the negro after they piggybacked their way to freedom on their fortunate outcome of the civil war.

Most of my personal interaction with the red man hasn't really brought out the most desireable outcomes. They are just too bitter and I just don't care about their problems more than my own. They clearly dropped the ball from their first encounters with whitey and the end results were/are quite obvious. Survival after all is the only game worth playing and the stupid fuckers lost miserably. I'm saddened with the naivety of the NAs and how little they valued their offspring's future at the mercy of the white man. They should have fought to the death from day one against the intruders. Indian pride is an oxymoron. Not trying to be overly critical ...but it is what it is.

The Indians did fight with some marked success (Custer for instance) unlike the Blacks whom you enslaved for personal gain then fought a war over that cost you countless lives and many dollars in fortune. Now those you enslaved are costing you trillions in assistance program dollars while murdering you on your own streets. Unlike the Indians who died fighting you, the Blacks have totally defeated you and will live off your sweat forever without ever firing a shot.

 

[the_human_being]

I hate to burst your bubble..but Indians had diseases and "plagues" before the horrible white man came. And they also had war, and treachery.

Seriously. Please don't parade your ignorance so. It's embarassing.

Do you have a pet Black man lap dog too?

 

[the_human_being]

Yepp.


And the ops life skills.

Did I mention that it was the whites of this great land who actually used the very worse wmd that had ever or has ever been used on anyone? The (spit, shudder, cringe) ATOMIC BOMB. What a real fine legacy you folks have. No wonder you are hated the world over.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, the hatred explains why people kill each other in order to come here.

 

[the_human_being]

Yes, the hatred explains why people kill each other in order to come here.

Of course. They want some food stamps, Obamaphones, free medical care, some part-time jobs, etc., just like the Americans have.

 

[koshergrl]

You certainly think highly of them. Awesome.

I was talking about the legal immigrants, though. The ones who come here because they want to be American, and have the opportunity to better themselves, and achieve a modicom of success that they don't have to filter through corrupt officials and criminals.

 

[the_human_being]

You certainly think highly of them. Awesome.

I was talking about the legal immigrants, though. The ones who come here because they want to be American, and have the opportunity to better themselves, and achieve a modicom of success that they don't have to filter through corrupt officials and criminals.

Corrupt officials and criminals???? Are you pulling my leg? LOL!!

 

[the_human_being]

Yepp.


And the ops life skills.

You flatter me. Actually it's not that much a matter of skills. The fact is that people just naturally tend to adore me. Charisma, I think they call it. Kind of like Obama I suppose. It's always been that way for me. In school the girls all fawned over me. I dated only the prettiest. You know, I had the coal black hair, the high cheekbones, the almost black eyes. I was tall and athletic.

It's that way now on these forums. The people come and post wherever I am posting just to hear my views and to hang on my every word. As Obama said. "It's a gift".

 

[the_human_being]

You certainly think highly of them. Awesome.

I was talking about the legal immigrants, though. The ones who come here because they want to be American, and have the opportunity to better themselves, and achieve a modicom of success that they don't have to filter through corrupt officials and criminals.

You know me. I think highly of everyone. All my fans.

 

[sealybobo]

When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, Christian churches gathered up water and toiletries and other basic human needs and handed out to the storm victims. When Ivan hit, they did the same thing. It has happened over and over whenever their has been a natural disaster. Even individual families who have fell victim to home fires, floods, etc., have been helped by the Church.

Where are the atheists in all this?

We not only contribute we encourage others to contribute more. For example, we wanted the bush tax breaks to go away and have that money go towards the problems we need solving.

We're just smart about our contributions. I'd rather my taxes go up and our government actually solve the problem, rather than me donate money to a charity and only 4% of that money goes to help the people it was intended for.

And if it weren't for smart atheist scientists you'd all still be living in caves and eating raw meat. It wasn't the masses that were intelligent. The DeVinci's and Michaellangelos and Plato's and Socrates are a very small percent of the human race. The people who invented the internet, the gas engine, how to work with steel, invented electricity. Most of you would be monkey's if it weren't for 5% of humanity. The rest of us are just along for the ride.

So when theist brag that the masses believe in god, that doesn't surprise me at all.

My people weren't living in caves. My people called themselves "The Human Beings". My people considered themselves to be civilized while considering the white folks to be barbarians. We were of the five civilized tribes and formed a confederacy long before the white folks did.

Yes, your government is doing a fantastic job of solving problems. Massive unemployment, massive underemployment, more folks on food stamps and assistance programs than at any point in history, more folks working in part-time jobs. Tell me more about your government and how it is helping.

Then we need to take back our government from the rich who clearly took it over. Today our government serves the rich, not the voters.

Remember back in the day the average American worker made enough money to buy a home and start a family? Today the average American worker works at Walmart.

Anyways, why should a middle class atheist contribute to society? The rich gave themselves so many tax breaks that it shifted the tax burden more onto the rest of us. So we are already contributing enough by paying taxes. So now you want us to give more to charity after you shifted the tax burden on us?

 

[sealybobo]

Same way Snyder won in Michigan. Drove the poor and middle class out of Michigan and Detroit so Detroit is no longer the voting block it once was.

????.....so you figure he drove the poor and middle class out of Michigan and Detroit BEFORE he got elected so he could GET elected?......gotta love liberal logic.....

New Orleans & Detroit were by design. They may not have planned on the Hurricane but their response after sure was not the same as a year before when a hurricane hit Jeb Bush's state of Florida. The US Government was there the next day with sparkling water and ice to keep them cool.

Detroit's bankruptcy is just like all the corporate bankruptcies. They ripped off the Pensions. The whole middle class disappearing thing started probably before Reagan.

Oh and as for Snyder. He hasn't written one bill. ALEC and the corporations now write the bills and the GOP run Michigan government just passes what they give them. They don't even read the bills.

Don't believe it? Google this like I just did "who writes republican legislation" and ALEC is the first thing to pop up.

You mean kind of like Nancy Poloski and the Democrats pushed the largest tax increase in American history down the throats of an American public who were opposed to it without even reading it before they passed it? I get it now.

Are you a stupid person who rush lies to or are you yourself a liar?

I think you believe what you say and you are just dumb. Calling you a liar would be giving you too much credit.

Limbaugh GOP have it wrong Health care law is not the largest tax increase ever PolitiFact

Pants on fire???

 

[sealybobo]

Who besides unions represents labor? Then fuck off. We already know you hate the American workers. We make too much.

the unemployed ones don't......

What do you think about Walmart, McD and Factory workers who are making below poverty level wages? Do you think the corporations that make great profits should be paying above poverty level? I do.

Think about it like these companies are using the us tax payer to subsodize their profits. On YOUR back. Because these workers often have to get foodstamps because they don't make enough.

So either the employees have to unionize or the government has to pass a minimum wage increase. I'd rather the companies just do it out of fear of either. Too much greed. If they can't ship the job overseas they want to hire illegals to do it on the cheap. Anything to not pay an American worker a fair wage.

This brings everyones wages down.

Working at Walmart can hardly be considered high-tech. Were Walmart unable to fill open positions at low hourly wage, then market forces would cause them to raise wages. To my knowledge, Walmart forces no one to work for them. Such jobs will always exist because there are always a number of folks who simply have not the ambition to gain the necessary training to move up the food chain. Such jobs should be held by college students and such and not by any family's primary bread winner.

Most of the Big 3 Unionized Auto workers today would be considered unskilled labor. If they weren't unionized, they would have only made minimum wage.
2. This is why they sent all the jobs overseas and turned a blind eye on illegals from 2000-2008. They wanted the market flooded with workers and no jobs so they could lower wages.

Walmart should unionize. Unless you want to hold your breath and wait for jobs to be plentiful again.

And if scabs try to cross the picket line, there should be hell to pay.

 

[the_human_being]

When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, Christian churches gathered up water and toiletries and other basic human needs and handed out to the storm victims. When Ivan hit, they did the same thing. It has happened over and over whenever their has been a natural disaster. Even individual families who have fell victim to home fires, floods, etc., have been helped by the Church.

Where are the atheists in all this?

We not only contribute we encourage others to contribute more. For example, we wanted the bush tax breaks to go away and have that money go towards the problems we need solving.

We're just smart about our contributions. I'd rather my taxes go up and our government actually solve the problem, rather than me donate money to a charity and only 4% of that money goes to help the people it was intended for.

And if it weren't for smart atheist scientists you'd all still be living in caves and eating raw meat. It wasn't the masses that were intelligent. The DeVinci's and Michaellangelos and Plato's and Socrates are a very small percent of the human race. The people who invented the internet, the gas engine, how to work with steel, invented electricity. Most of you would be monkey's if it weren't for 5% of humanity. The rest of us are just along for the ride.

So when theist brag that the masses believe in god, that doesn't surprise me at all.

My people weren't living in caves. My people called themselves "The Human Beings". My people considered themselves to be civilized while considering the white folks to be barbarians. We were of the five civilized tribes and formed a confederacy long before the white folks did.

Yes, your government is doing a fantastic job of solving problems. Massive unemployment, massive underemployment, more folks on food stamps and assistance programs than at any point in history, more folks working in part-time jobs. Tell me more about your government and how it is helping.

Just yesterday you were calling for even more taxes so the government could do more for you. I do so much wish you would make up your mind on just where you do stand. Sometimes my Friend, I suspect that you may be just a little off kilter.

Then we need to take back our government from the rich who clearly took it over. Today our government serves the rich, not the voters.

Remember back in the day the average American worker made enough money to buy a home and start a family? Today the average American worker works at Walmart.

Anyways, why should a middle class atheist contribute to society? The rich gave themselves so many tax breaks that it shifted the tax burden more onto the rest of us. So we are already contributing enough by paying taxes. So now you want us to give more to charity after you shifted the tax burden on us?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Who besides unions represents labor? Then fuck off. We already know you hate the American workers. We make too much.

the unemployed ones don't......

What do you think about Walmart, McD and Factory workers who are making below poverty level wages? Do you think the corporations that make great profits should be paying above poverty level? I do.

Think about it like these companies are using the us tax payer to subsodize their profits. On YOUR back. Because these workers often have to get foodstamps because they don't make enough.

So either the employees have to unionize or the government has to pass a minimum wage increase. I'd rather the companies just do it out of fear of either. Too much greed. If they can't ship the job overseas they want to hire illegals to do it on the cheap. Anything to not pay an American worker a fair wage.

This brings everyones wages down.

Working at Walmart can hardly be considered high-tech. Were Walmart unable to fill open positions at low hourly wage, then market forces would cause them to raise wages. To my knowledge, Walmart forces no one to work for them. Such jobs will always exist because there are always a number of folks who simply have not the ambition to gain the necessary training to move up the food chain. Such jobs should be held by college students and such and not by any family's primary bread winner.

Most of the Big 3 Unionized Auto workers today would be considered unskilled labor. If they weren't unionized, they would have only made minimum wage.
2. This is why they sent all the jobs overseas and turned a blind eye on illegals from 2000-2008. They wanted the market flooded with workers and no jobs so they could lower wages.

Walmart should unionize. Unless you want to hold your breath and wait for jobs to be plentiful again.

And if scabs try to cross the picket line, there should be hell to pay.

Good for you in recognizing the problem. You fail at your solution though. Unionization isn't the solution in an environment where there is a vast surplus of workers. Secondly, we can do more than just "hold our breath and wait for jobs to be plentiful again" but you're not ready yet to cross that bridge. The solution which helps bring about what you want is staring you in the face, you just have to accept it as necessary.

 

[sealybobo]

Another one who claims to know the mind of Christ. Simply amazing the condemnation of those who speak for Christ. These would have stoned both the woman caught in adultry and the Christ.

LOL What an idiot.

I'm an idiot? I'm not on here condemning everyone to Hell. You are.

You don't even know how to read. I'm not condemning anyone. I'm saying those like you are destined for hell because of the way you use Christianity and the name of Jesus to promote evil and anti-Christian thought and behavior. Try to read and understand with more clarity.

Notice most everyone who believes in heaven also believes they are going?

I love it when two theists meet and one tells the other they aren't doing it right. When I was a theist I got offended now I just laugh.

They aren't Christians and you well know it. These are just stupid people who spout an evil and hellish doctrine of fundalmentalism hellfire and brimstone to the feeble-minded and unlearned. These are a blight and a shame upon Christianity and destroy Christ's work on the cross. Please don't judge all Christians by these nuts.

I don't judge all christians by them. I judge christianity by them. I know a lot of good christians. I know a lot of christians do good things. That doesn't matter. I still don't buy the Jesus story and I don't think religion is necessary or necessarily a good thing.

A lie is a lie no matter how much good it does.

 

[the_human_being]

Who besides unions represents labor? Then fuck off. We already know you hate the American workers. We make too much.

the unemployed ones don't......

What do you think about Walmart, McD and Factory workers who are making below poverty level wages? Do you think the corporations that make great profits should be paying above poverty level? I do.

Think about it like these companies are using the us tax payer to subsodize their profits. On YOUR back. Because these workers often have to get foodstamps because they don't make enough.

So either the employees have to unionize or the government has to pass a minimum wage increase. I'd rather the companies just do it out of fear of either. Too much greed. If they can't ship the job overseas they want to hire illegals to do it on the cheap. Anything to not pay an American worker a fair wage.

This brings everyones wages down.

Working at Walmart can hardly be considered high-tech. Were Walmart unable to fill open positions at low hourly wage, then market forces would cause them to raise wages. To my knowledge, Walmart forces no one to work for them. Such jobs will always exist because there are always a number of folks who simply have not the ambition to gain the necessary training to move up the food chain. Such jobs should be held by college students and such and not by any family's primary bread winner.

Most of the Big 3 Unionized Auto workers today would be considered unskilled labor. If they weren't unionized, they would have only made minimum wage.
2. This is why they sent all the jobs overseas and turned a blind eye on illegals from 2000-2008. They wanted the market flooded with workers and no jobs so they could lower wages.

Walmart should unionize. Unless you want to hold your breath and wait for jobs to be plentiful again.

And if scabs try to cross the picket line, there should be hell to pay.

Jobs are still going overseas in 2014.
Illegals are flooding across our borders in 2014.
I'm not hunting a job. Neither are my children.
I am not on the board at Walmart. I think Walmart has an excellent marketing plan.

 

[the_human_being]

Same way Snyder won in Michigan. Drove the poor and middle class out of Michigan and Detroit so Detroit is no longer the voting block it once was.

????.....so you figure he drove the poor and middle class out of Michigan and Detroit BEFORE he got elected so he could GET elected?......gotta love liberal logic.....

New Orleans & Detroit were by design. They may not have planned on the Hurricane but their response after sure was not the same as a year before when a hurricane hit Jeb Bush's state of Florida. The US Government was there the next day with sparkling water and ice to keep them cool.

Detroit's bankruptcy is just like all the corporate bankruptcies. They ripped off the Pensions. The whole middle class disappearing thing started probably before Reagan.

Oh and as for Snyder. He hasn't written one bill. ALEC and the corporations now write the bills and the GOP run Michigan government just passes what they give them. They don't even read the bills.

Don't believe it? Google this like I just did "who writes republican legislation" and ALEC is the first thing to pop up.

You mean kind of like Nancy Poloski and the Democrats pushed the largest tax increase in American history down the throats of an American public who were opposed to it without even reading it before they passed it? I get it now.

Are you a stupid person who rush lies to or are you yourself a liar?

I think you believe what you say and you are just dumb. Calling you a liar would be giving you too much credit.

Limbaugh GOP have it wrong Health care law is not the largest tax increase ever PolitiFact

Pants on fire???

It was still a tax that most of the American people were against.
It was shoved down the throats of the American people by a partisan and ill-gained vote.
The Democrats admitted they had not read the Bill before shoving down the American people's throats.