Why don't Democrats give Trump the wall in exchange for something big?

[RUNVS]

Unfortunately this thread has been derailed a bit, or not, I am not sure if people are happy debating with 617.

So what do people think about the idea of Democrats deciding to use the border wall to extract something from Trump and Republicans that they would never usually agree to, like making gerrymandering illegal and creating a national holiday on election day, or something else that you think Democrats should go for? Is the Republicans desperation to get a wall a potential advantage to the Democrats?

I also think trying to make gerrymandering illegal and a public holiday for elections would be winners, because both ideas are essentially free, and if you ask most Americans I think most would agree both are good ideas. If the Republicans say no then they are the ones looking obstructionist.

 

[Jitss617]

Why in the world if I wanted to win a war would I put a female on the front line? Might as well give up the keys to the house. They shouldn’t be allowed to vote they actually voted against the amendment. Common sense. We have lost it.

ya... well.... no matter what your knuckledragging thoughts might include - the law says otherwise.

too bad so sad for you 'eh?

Might be time to change the law.. and Jim Crow laws are democrats, and continue
Today by democrats

lol... good luck with that. & uh- no. the (D)s of that era turned it around with (ironically) LBJ. as far as jim crow laws being peddled by today's (D)s is utterly ridiculous & you just pulled that out of your ass. (R)s of today are not the party of lincoln.

Reallly? Last time I check all cries of racial oppression back then and today only come from towns run by Democrats.
And Jim Crow laws are huge in Boston. Building code laws is a huge one, education, flooding black schools with illiterate foreigners is a huge one. It’s covert but it’s huge.. gun laws putting blacks in jail for possession!

lol... go back to your basket, little deplorable.

What’s the matter can’t debate facts? Lol exposed haha

 

[Jitss617]

Unfortunately this thread has been derailed a bit, or not, I am not sure if people are happy debating with 617.

So what do people think about the idea of Democrats deciding to use the border wall to extract something from Trump and Republicans that they would never usually agree to, like making gerrymandering illegal and creating a national holiday on election day, or something else that you think Democrats should go for? Is the Republicans desperation to get a wall a potential advantage to the Democrats?

I also think trying to make gerrymandering illegal and a public holiday for elections would be winners, because both ideas are essentially free, and if you ask most Americans I think most would agree both are good ideas. If the Republicans say no then they are the ones looking obstructionist.

I challenged you. If you don’t like an alternative view to yours why ask the question?

 

[RUNVS]

I challenged you. If you don’t like an alternative view to yours why ask the question?

You started talking about women not deserving the vote, which I am pretty sure I did not mention in the original post.

 

[Jitss617]

I challenged you. If you don’t like an alternative view to yours why ask the question?

You started talking about women not deserving the vote, which I am pretty sure I did not mention in the original post.

I was asking your opinion,, I used logic you used emotion. We just agreed to disagree

 

[playtime]

Poor people are destroyed? Lol wtf is wrong with you democrats

The fact that we have people who go to bed hungry at night in the richest country in the world is a disgrace.

right now the WIC (women, infants & children) program is being run on emergancy funds & will run out of cash in february. so much for protecting those innocent little babies. that is the (R) mantra- love the fetus....hate the child, cause once that umbiblical cord is cut - then they are all just welfare leeches.

SNAP will run out of funding in february as well. trump is gonna have a lot of hungry people that will be blaming him.

This is America, if you have kids you should take care of your kids.. where are the fathers? Why don’t you democrats start a go fund me for things you believe in like republicans have done to raise money? Start it up lol

'you democrats'. i am not a (D), so you fail right from the start. what are 'entitlements' in your view? SNAP? many elderly, vets, & active military receive food stamps. social security? medicare? people worked for & earned those benefits. housing & medicaid? lol.... of course children need to be taken care of by their parents. however safety nets are there for those who don't or can't. (R)s wanna overturn roe v wade, but will do nothing to help those once born. children shouldn't suffer. nor should the disabled.

but bigcorp should pay THEIR fair share, shouldn't they?

 

[playtime]

ya... well.... no matter what your knuckledragging thoughts might include - the law says otherwise.

too bad so sad for you 'eh?

Might be time to change the law.. and Jim Crow laws are democrats, and continue
Today by democrats

lol... good luck with that. & uh- no. the (D)s of that era turned it around with (ironically) LBJ. as far as jim crow laws being peddled by today's (D)s is utterly ridiculous & you just pulled that out of your ass. (R)s of today are not the party of lincoln.

Reallly? Last time I check all cries of racial oppression back then and today only come from towns run by Democrats.
And Jim Crow laws are huge in Boston. Building code laws is a huge one, education, flooding black schools with illiterate foreigners is a huge one. It’s covert but it’s huge.. gun laws putting blacks in jail for possession!

lol... go back to your basket, little deplorable.

What’s the matter can’t debate facts? Lol exposed haha

replied to that a little too soon 'eh? hahahaHA.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I was thinking about this yesterday and apparently the Democrats have introduced a bill in the house that makes gerrymandering illegal, makes it a national holiday on election day, makes it illegal to donate large amounts of money without disclosing who gave the money, makes it illegal to wipe voter registrations and a few other things I have forgotten.

Now I read that there is zero chances of this bill even making it to the Senate but what if the Democrats went to Trump and said "we will give you the wall, all of it, we will give you all the money you need for it, we will even allow you to paint it gold and put your name on it, but in exchange we want this voting bill to get through. You agree to that, and you have a deal"

I mean, making gerrymandering illegal alone would help Democrats a lot, and while the Republicans would hate it, I think they could convince Trump to go for it since they could tell Trump "you know you are not getting elected again without that wall, this is your chance to get it built".

I mean, is there any reason why the Democrats would not do this, would not do something that would potentially help them a lot in the future, even if it does mean having to agree to Trump's wall?

Sounds like a good idea, but it won’t fly. The Ds can’t afford to give Trump anything, as they would face the rath of their rabid, inflamed, and crazed base.

sort of like when Trump said he was going to find other funding for the wall and then was attacked by Ann Coulter and other members of his rabid, inflamed, and crazed base?

 

[Jitss617]

Poor people are destroyed? Lol wtf is wrong with you democrats

The fact that we have people who go to bed hungry at night in the richest country in the world is a disgrace.

right now the WIC (women, infants & children) program is being run on emergancy funds & will run out of cash in february. so much for protecting those innocent little babies. that is the (R) mantra- love the fetus....hate the child, cause once that umbiblical cord is cut - then they are all just welfare leeches.

SNAP will run out of funding in february as well. trump is gonna have a lot of hungry people that will be blaming him.

This is America, if you have kids you should take care of your kids.. where are the fathers? Why don’t you democrats start a go fund me for things you believe in like republicans have done to raise money? Start it up lol

'you democrats'. i am not a (D), so you fail right from the start. what are 'entitlements' in your view? SNAP? many elderly, vets, & active military receive food stamps. social security? medicare? people worked for & earned those benefits. housing & medical care? lol.... of course children need to be taken care of by their parents. however safety nets are there for those who don't or can't. (R)s wanna overturn roe v wade, but will do nothing to help those once born. children shouldn't suffer. nor should the disabled.

Yes I am for absolutely zero people getting any assistance from the government. Get a job, get a husband build a family, have your kids care for you, or save responsible so you can pay for care givers. And yes end abortions and be more responsible.. call me crazy I’m for a progressive country

 

[Jitss617]

Poor people are destroyed? Lol wtf is wrong with you democrats

The fact that we have people who go to bed hungry at night in the richest country in the world is a disgrace.

right now the WIC (women, infants & children) program is being run on emergancy funds & will run out of cash in february. so much for protecting those innocent little babies. that is the (R) mantra- love the fetus....hate the child, cause once that umbiblical cord is cut - then they are all just welfare leeches.

SNAP will run out of funding in february as well. trump is gonna have a lot of hungry people that will be blaming him.

This is America, if you have kids you should take care of your kids.. where are the fathers? Why don’t you democrats start a go fund me for things you believe in like republicans have done to raise money? Start it up lol

'you democrats'. i am not a (D), so you fail right from the start. what are 'entitlements' in your view? SNAP? many elderly, vets, & active military receive food stamps. social security? medicare? people worked for & earned those benefits. housing & medicaid? lol.... of course children need to be taken care of by their parents. however safety nets are there for those who don't or can't. (R)s wanna overturn roe v wade, but will do nothing to help those once born. children shouldn't suffer. nor should the disabled.

but bigcorp should pay THEIR fair share, shouldn't they?

Big corps do, I hope the get another tax break so more poor people can work

 

[playtime]

Poor people are destroyed? Lol wtf is wrong with you democrats

The fact that we have people who go to bed hungry at night in the richest country in the world is a disgrace.

right now the WIC (women, infants & children) program is being run on emergancy funds & will run out of cash in february. so much for protecting those innocent little babies. that is the (R) mantra- love the fetus....hate the child, cause once that umbiblical cord is cut - then they are all just welfare leeches.

SNAP will run out of funding in february as well. trump is gonna have a lot of hungry people that will be blaming him.

This is America, if you have kids you should take care of your kids.. where are the fathers? Why don’t you democrats start a go fund me for things you believe in like republicans have done to raise money? Start it up lol

'you democrats'. i am not a (D), so you fail right from the start. what are 'entitlements' in your view? SNAP? many elderly, vets, & active military receive food stamps. social security? medicare? people worked for & earned those benefits. housing & medicaid? lol.... of course children need to be taken care of by their parents. however safety nets are there for those who don't or can't. (R)s wanna overturn roe v wade, but will do nothing to help those once born. children shouldn't suffer. nor should the disabled.

but bigcorp should pay THEIR fair share, shouldn't they?

Big corps do, I hope the get another tax break so more poor people can work

thanx for proving to be just another poorly educated mook that trump loves long time.

 

[Jitss617]

The fact that we have people who go to bed hungry at night in the richest country in the world is a disgrace.

right now the WIC (women, infants & children) program is being run on emergancy funds & will run out of cash in february. so much for protecting those innocent little babies. that is the (R) mantra- love the fetus....hate the child, cause once that umbiblical cord is cut - then they are all just welfare leeches.

SNAP will run out of funding in february as well. trump is gonna have a lot of hungry people that will be blaming him.

This is America, if you have kids you should take care of your kids.. where are the fathers? Why don’t you democrats start a go fund me for things you believe in like republicans have done to raise money? Start it up lol

'you democrats'. i am not a (D), so you fail right from the start. what are 'entitlements' in your view? SNAP? many elderly, vets, & active military receive food stamps. social security? medicare? people worked for & earned those benefits. housing & medicaid? lol.... of course children need to be taken care of by their parents. however safety nets are there for those who don't or can't. (R)s wanna overturn roe v wade, but will do nothing to help those once born. children shouldn't suffer. nor should the disabled.

but bigcorp should pay THEIR fair share, shouldn't they?

Big corps do, I hope the get another tax break so more poor people can work

thanx for proving to be just another poorly educated mook that trump loves long time.

Why can’t libs understand economics lol people with money create jobs, if you take their money they close up and no one works.. what don’t you understand?

 

[candycorn]

I was thinking about this yesterday and apparently the Democrats have introduced a bill in the house that makes gerrymandering illegal, makes it a national holiday on election day, makes it illegal to donate large amounts of money without disclosing who gave the money, makes it illegal to wipe voter registrations and a few other things I have forgotten.

Now I read that there is zero chances of this bill even making it to the Senate but what if the Democrats went to Trump and said "we will give you the wall, all of it, we will give you all the money you need for it, we will even allow you to paint it gold and put your name on it, but in exchange we want this voting bill to get through. You agree to that, and you have a deal"

I mean, making gerrymandering illegal alone would help Democrats a lot, and while the Republicans would hate it, I think they could convince Trump to go for it since they could tell Trump "you know you are not getting elected again without that wall, this is your chance to get it built".

I mean, is there any reason why the Democrats would not do this, would not do something that would potentially help them a lot in the future, even if it does mean having to agree to Trump's wall?

The Democrats benefit from gerrymandering as well as the GOP. Same for soft money. Voting holiday? Interesting.. the problem with making a deal is that whatever you want if you are the Democrats, you have to 1) get it first because Trump can’t be trusted. 2} Make sure it is structurally unassailable by counter legislation or inactivity. Healthcare for example.

 

[Jitss617]

The fact that we have people who go to bed hungry at night in the richest country in the world is a disgrace.

right now the WIC (women, infants & children) program is being run on emergancy funds & will run out of cash in february. so much for protecting those innocent little babies. that is the (R) mantra- love the fetus....hate the child, cause once that umbiblical cord is cut - then they are all just welfare leeches.

SNAP will run out of funding in february as well. trump is gonna have a lot of hungry people that will be blaming him.

This is America, if you have kids you should take care of your kids.. where are the fathers? Why don’t you democrats start a go fund me for things you believe in like republicans have done to raise money? Start it up lol

'you democrats'. i am not a (D), so you fail right from the start. what are 'entitlements' in your view? SNAP? many elderly, vets, & active military receive food stamps. social security? medicare? people worked for & earned those benefits. housing & medicaid? lol.... of course children need to be taken care of by their parents. however safety nets are there for those who don't or can't. (R)s wanna overturn roe v wade, but will do nothing to help those once born. children shouldn't suffer. nor should the disabled.

but bigcorp should pay THEIR fair share, shouldn't they?

Big corps do, I hope the get another tax break so more poor people can work

thanx for proving to be just another poorly educated mook that trump loves long time.

Amazing!

 

[RUNVS]

I was thinking about this yesterday and apparently the Democrats have introduced a bill in the house that makes gerrymandering illegal, makes it a national holiday on election day, makes it illegal to donate large amounts of money without disclosing who gave the money, makes it illegal to wipe voter registrations and a few other things I have forgotten.

Now I read that there is zero chances of this bill even making it to the Senate but what if the Democrats went to Trump and said "we will give you the wall, all of it, we will give you all the money you need for it, we will even allow you to paint it gold and put your name on it, but in exchange we want this voting bill to get through. You agree to that, and you have a deal"

I mean, making gerrymandering illegal alone would help Democrats a lot, and while the Republicans would hate it, I think they could convince Trump to go for it since they could tell Trump "you know you are not getting elected again without that wall, this is your chance to get it built".

I mean, is there any reason why the Democrats would not do this, would not do something that would potentially help them a lot in the future, even if it does mean having to agree to Trump's wall?

The Democrats benefit from gerrymandering as well as the GOP. Same for soft money. Voting holiday? Interesting.. the problem with making a deal is that whatever you want if you are the Democrats, you have to 1) get it first because Trump can’t be trusted. 2} Make sure it is structurally unassailable by counter legislation or inactivity. Healthcare for example.

I could be wrong but couldn't you put the legislation in the same bill that funds the wall so both have to be done at the same time?

Also I agree Democrats benefit from gerrymandering too, but as a general rule the Republicans benefit more from it.

 

[playtime]

right now the WIC (women, infants & children) program is being run on emergancy funds & will run out of cash in february. so much for protecting those innocent little babies. that is the (R) mantra- love the fetus....hate the child, cause once that umbiblical cord is cut - then they are all just welfare leeches.

SNAP will run out of funding in february as well. trump is gonna have a lot of hungry people that will be blaming him.

This is America, if you have kids you should take care of your kids.. where are the fathers? Why don’t you democrats start a go fund me for things you believe in like republicans have done to raise money? Start it up lol

'you democrats'. i am not a (D), so you fail right from the start. what are 'entitlements' in your view? SNAP? many elderly, vets, & active military receive food stamps. social security? medicare? people worked for & earned those benefits. housing & medicaid? lol.... of course children need to be taken care of by their parents. however safety nets are there for those who don't or can't. (R)s wanna overturn roe v wade, but will do nothing to help those once born. children shouldn't suffer. nor should the disabled.

but bigcorp should pay THEIR fair share, shouldn't they?

Big corps do, I hope the get another tax break so more poor people can work

thanx for proving to be just another poorly educated mook that trump loves long time.

Amazing!

the economy was much more prosperous when eisenhower was prez. wages were adequate enough for one paycheck to cover a mortgage & car & children. jobs are plentiful right now... but wages are still not caught up AND all those 'bonus' ' handed out last year? won't cover the increase in premiums.... or food. & they not only have dried up, but most of the cash that bigcorp got went straight to stock buyback. in other words... not for workers, but for new lining for their pockets.

 

[easyt65]

I was thinking about this yesterday and apparently the Democrats have introduced a bill in the house that makes gerrymandering illegal, makes it a national holiday on election day, makes it illegal to donate large amounts of money without disclosing who gave the money, makes it illegal to wipe voter registrations and a few other things I have forgotten.

Now I read that there is zero chances of this bill even making it to the Senate but what if the Democrats went to Trump and said "we will give you the wall, all of it, we will give you all the money you need for it, we will even allow you to paint it gold and put your name on it, but in exchange we want this voting bill to get through. You agree to that, and you have a deal"

I mean, making gerrymandering illegal alone would help Democrats a lot, and while the Republicans would hate it, I think they could convince Trump to go for it since they could tell Trump "you know you are not getting elected again without that wall, this is your chance to get it built".

I mean, is there any reason why the Democrats would not do this, would not do something that would potentially help them a lot in the future, even if it does mean having to agree to Trump's wall?

The Democrats voted for this in 2007.

These same Democrats have been offered $800 Million to help alleviate the humanitarian crisis caused by illegals knowing they would not get in legally yet choosing to make the long, dangerous trek to our southern border with the intent to physically and illegally force their way into the United States.

--- Pelosi and Schumer responded by saying, 'No Deal. We will not give THIS PRESIDENT (nothing about the American people) a 'win'.'


These same Democrats have been offered to reinstate parts of a previous Obama program that allowed Guatemalan children to file for coming to the states legally (allowing them to have a foot-hold in the country their parents / family could then use to come here).

-- Pelosi and Schumer responded by saying, 'No deal. The President will get nothing he wants', refusing an offer that would benefit the United States and the foreigners they claim to care for so much.


These same Democrats have been offered a LEGAL, CONSTITUTIONAL 'Dream Act'.

-- The Democrats have rejected this deal as well, just as they rejected the 'Dream Act' deal earlier when the GOP offered to give them everything they asked for. Walking away from the deal exposed the fact that they really did not want a deal, did not want to solve an issue for Latinos, and instead just wanted to have the issue to use to emotionally manipulate Latinos into turning out at election time for them...causing many to walk away from the Democratic Party.


The day after it was announced that Donald Trump won the WH D-Schumer rushed to the microphone to announce to the world that the Democratic Party was 100% committed to Obstruction, to Resistance, and to Undermining any and all progress the President and GOP attempted to accomplish for the American people.

In the heat of the moment in the wake of a emotionally raw Presidential election defeat, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer were accidentally brutally honest and exposed who they and the Democratic party are - a radical far-left PARTY-Before-Country, self-serving, bitter, angry, hate-filled/driven traitors who vowed to do everything in their power to prevent the nation from seeing success under the governmental control of the Republican Congress and President.

And so far they have kept their word and continue to do so.....

The Democrats have demonstrated their idea of compromise is the GOP surrendering full control and decision-making of the federal government to them without getting anything in return. The Democrats do not want negotiation and compromise - they want a Socialist dictatorial regime in which their demands / will is IMPPOSED / accepted without compromise...

...and the Democrats are willing to stand with violent illegals, human traffickers, drug cartels, MS13 gangs, thieves, rapists, pedophiles, murderers - COP KILLERS, etc...in closing down the government to ensure our sovereignty is NOT ensured, to ensure our borders remain porous and open, to ensure illegal immigration continues, to continue to ensure illegal votes keep flowing in to help them regain and hold onto power - as we witnessed in Broward country last election, and to ensure the violent illegals and criminals flowing into the US and victimizing Americans can continue to do so while having the full protection of Democrat-run federal law-violating Sanctuary Cities!

No compromise. No other options! They demand this and reject anything but this, as has been proven and continues to be proven by this latest rejection of the deal offered.

 

[Jitss617]

I was thinking about this yesterday and apparently the Democrats have introduced a bill in the house that makes gerrymandering illegal, makes it a national holiday on election day, makes it illegal to donate large amounts of money without disclosing who gave the money, makes it illegal to wipe voter registrations and a few other things I have forgotten.

Now I read that there is zero chances of this bill even making it to the Senate but what if the Democrats went to Trump and said "we will give you the wall, all of it, we will give you all the money you need for it, we will even allow you to paint it gold and put your name on it, but in exchange we want this voting bill to get through. You agree to that, and you have a deal"

I mean, making gerrymandering illegal alone would help Democrats a lot, and while the Republicans would hate it, I think they could convince Trump to go for it since they could tell Trump "you know you are not getting elected again without that wall, this is your chance to get it built".

I mean, is there any reason why the Democrats would not do this, would not do something that would potentially help them a lot in the future, even if it does mean having to agree to Trump's wall?

The Democrats benefit from gerrymandering as well as the GOP. Same for soft money. Voting holiday? Interesting.. the problem with making a deal is that whatever you want if you are the Democrats, you have to 1) get it first because Trump can’t be trusted. 2} Make sure it is structurally unassailable by counter legislation or inactivity. Healthcare for example.

I could be wrong but couldn't you put the legislation in the same bill that funds the wall so both have to be done at the same time?

Also I agree Democrats benefit from gerrymandering too, but as a general rule the Republicans benefit more from it.

The point being: Even before five decades of gerrymandered congressional districts, congressional races weren't as close as Cook might suggest.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I was thinking about this yesterday and apparently the Democrats have introduced a bill in the house that makes gerrymandering illegal, makes it a national holiday on election day, makes it illegal to donate large amounts of money without disclosing who gave the money, makes it illegal to wipe voter registrations and a few other things I have forgotten.

Now I read that there is zero chances of this bill even making it to the Senate but what if the Democrats went to Trump and said "we will give you the wall, all of it, we will give you all the money you need for it, we will even allow you to paint it gold and put your name on it, but in exchange we want this voting bill to get through. You agree to that, and you have a deal"

I mean, making gerrymandering illegal alone would help Democrats a lot, and while the Republicans would hate it, I think they could convince Trump to go for it since they could tell Trump "you know you are not getting elected again without that wall, this is your chance to get it built".

I mean, is there any reason why the Democrats would not do this, would not do something that would potentially help them a lot in the future, even if it does mean having to agree to Trump's wall?

Because Trump's "wall" of fear, bigotry and hate is a waste of money and resources that will do little to provide border security.

 

[rightwinger]

I was thinking about this yesterday and apparently the Democrats have introduced a bill in the house that makes gerrymandering illegal, makes it a national holiday on election day, makes it illegal to donate large amounts of money without disclosing who gave the money, makes it illegal to wipe voter registrations and a few other things I have forgotten.

Now I read that there is zero chances of this bill even making it to the Senate but what if the Democrats went to Trump and said "we will give you the wall, all of it, we will give you all the money you need for it, we will even allow you to paint it gold and put your name on it, but in exchange we want this voting bill to get through. You agree to that, and you have a deal"

I mean, making gerrymandering illegal alone would help Democrats a lot, and while the Republicans would hate it, I think they could convince Trump to go for it since they could tell Trump "you know you are not getting elected again without that wall, this is your chance to get it built".

I mean, is there any reason why the Democrats would not do this, would not do something that would potentially help them a lot in the future, even if it does mean having to agree to Trump's wall?

If Trump offers the Dems anything in return for the wall, the RW media will crucify him