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[Skylar]

Ft. Sumter was a federal installation. Apparently, not only do you openly support a country that fought for slavery, but you also openly support a "country" that attacked the U.S. Military.

Sadly, for your feelings, the US Federal Government was not relevant to South Carolina, at the time; which was part and parcel of the Confederate States of America.

If you had any kinship with the history of the Confederate States and its sibling nation; The United States, you'd know that South Carolina was the FIRST of the States to leave the Union.


But, in fairness... mouthy British Socialists aren't expected to know much of anything, except their needs and how bad they NEED to have those needs met, by any means.

It's pointless to argue with these vegetables. They behave as if they haven't read a thing you have posted. I am thinking about putting them all on ignore.

Well, that would be the coward's way out....so it suits you.

Welcome to the right wing echo chamber. They don't like to hear anything but what they already believe.

Dude, I'm happy to hear the silliness you post. You're the one insisting on ignoring those who don't ape what you believe.

 

[Skylar]

Or the United States when they invaded Mexico. With both Grant and Lee fighting side by side against the Mexicans in the invasion of Mexico City.

Robert E. Lee would be a Nazi in your bizarre fulfillment of Godwin's Law.

Is that your argument? If so, wow!

A military attack against the United States is a legit excuse for invasion. If the South couldn't hold their own territory, they probably shouldn't have attacked the United States by firing on Ft. Sumter.

Just sayin'.

Ft Sumter wasn't part of the United STates, moron. It was South Carolina territory.

It's pointless to argue with morons like you because I keep explaining the same points over and over and over. You just proceed based on all your bogus premises as if no one had already exploded them.

In short, you're a clueless moron who isn't capable of committing logic.

Not so.
Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836. Construction was supervised by the US Corp of Engineers and paid for by the US government.

Who Owned Fort Sumter Student of the American Civil War

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

 

[bripat9643]

Not so.

So...

Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836.

Yeaaah... and seceding probably didn't change that. Most folks who divorce live up to all the old promises. Happens everyday, somewhere.

You can't 'secede' land that isn't yours. One would think this was obvious. But clearly the concept went right over your head.

The stupidness is sucking in all the intelligence within 50 miles.

Sticks and stones, silly. You can't refute my point. Which is why your posts have degenrated into insults.

You can't secede land that isn't yours anymore than you can will the deed to someone else's house to your kids.

This is basic, basic shit here. And it completely confounds you.

As opposed to most land in the state, the state of South Carolina happened to own the land where Ft Sumter was built. Even after SC donated it to the federal government, and that's all it did, it was still within the territory borders of South Carolina. The title to the land is still on file with the state government. How does that help your case?

The land was no more federal territory than the plantation 5 miles away.

 

[-S-]

I can't believe there's still an argument over whether the Confederacy started the war or not...

History isn't based on opinion, it's based on fact. Simple as that.

Bripat, Keys, you're both wrong here if you think the Confederacy had any right to US property. The fact that they tried to buy it shows us that even in THEIR warped minds, they realized it wasn't theirs. What is so hard to understand?

Dixiecrats bewilder me..

 

[bripat9643]

Ft Sumter wasn't part of the United STates, moron. It was South Carolina territory.

It's pointless to argue with morons like you because I keep explaining the same points over and over and over. You just proceed based on all your bogus premises as if no one had already exploded them.

In short, you're a clueless moron who isn't capable of committing logic.

Not so.
Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836. Construction was supervised by the US Corp of Engineers and paid for by the US government.

Who Owned Fort Sumter Student of the American Civil War

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there. That's true of every overseas military base. Many nations have told the U.S. to send its troops packing. We had no choice but to comply. Unless you want to violate internation law and start a war, that is, which is exactly what Lincoln wanted.

 

[bodecea]

Not so.

So...

Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836.

Yeaaah... and seceding probably didn't change that. Most folks who divorce live up to all the old promises. Happens everyday, somewhere.

You can't 'secede' land that isn't yours. One would think this was obvious. But clearly the concept went right over your head.

The stupidness is sucking in all the intelligence within 50 miles.

Well, you should stop then.

 

[bodecea]

Not so.

So...

Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836.

Yeaaah... and seceding probably didn't change that. Most folks who divorce live up to all the old promises. Happens everyday, somewhere.

You can't 'secede' land that isn't yours. One would think this was obvious. But clearly the concept went right over your head.

The stupidness is sucking in all the intelligence within 50 miles.

Sticks and stones, silly. You can't refute my point. Which is why your posts have degenrated into insults.

You can't secede land that isn't yours anymore than you can will the deed to someone else's house to your kids.

This is basic, basic shit here. And it completely confounds you.

They've completely bought into the "Lost Cause" myth which was created after the South was so severely spanked.

 

[-S-]

Not so.
Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836. Construction was supervised by the US Corp of Engineers and paid for by the US government.

Who Owned Fort Sumter Student of the American Civil War

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there. That's true of every overseas military base. Many nations have told the U.S. to send its troops packing. We had no choice but to comply. Unless you want to violate internation law and start a war, that is, which is exactly what Lincoln wanted.

The Confederacy didn't secede the correct way, so they weren't ever really considered a legal sovereign nation. You can't hold an illegitimate nation to the same standards that you hold a real nation. The Confederacy was a joke anyways, no sense in trying to rationalize its claims of legitimacy.

 

[bripat9643]

Not so.

So...

Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836.

Yeaaah... and seceding probably didn't change that. Most folks who divorce live up to all the old promises. Happens everyday, somewhere.

You can't 'secede' land that isn't yours. One would think this was obvious. But clearly the concept went right over your head.

The stupidness is sucking in all the intelligence within 50 miles.

Well, you should stop then.

I think all the stupid libturds in this forum have reached critical mass. Soon there will be nothing but incoherent gibberish posted to this forum, if we haven't reached that point already.

 

[Skylar]

Not so.
Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836. Construction was supervised by the US Corp of Engineers and paid for by the US government.

Who Owned Fort Sumter Student of the American Civil War

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there.

Tell that to Cuba about Guantanamo Bay. And that's an acknowledged lease.

This wasn't. This was a seceding of land to the US government. It was an official federal holding that the Confederacy acknowledged was a federal holding. And offered to buy.

Which just obliterates the idea that it already belonged to the Confederacy.

Sorry, my little revisionist....but history is not your friend here.

 

[bripat9643]

Not so.

So...

Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836.

Yeaaah... and seceding probably didn't change that. Most folks who divorce live up to all the old promises. Happens everyday, somewhere.

You can't 'secede' land that isn't yours. One would think this was obvious. But clearly the concept went right over your head.

The stupidness is sucking in all the intelligence within 50 miles.

Sticks and stones, silly. You can't refute my point. Which is why your posts have degenrated into insults.

You can't secede land that isn't yours anymore than you can will the deed to someone else's house to your kids.

This is basic, basic shit here. And it completely confounds you.

They've completely bought into the "Lost Cause" myth which was created after the South was so severely spanked.

It was a lost cause, so how is that a myth?

You don't understand simple English, do you?

 

[Skylar]

I can't believe there's still an argument over whether the Confederacy started the war or not...

History isn't based on opinion, it's based on fact. Simple as that.

Bripat, Keys, you're both wrong here if you think the Confederacy had any right to US property. The fact that they tried to buy it shows us that even in THEIR warped minds, they realized it wasn't theirs. What is so hard to understand?

Dixiecrats bewilder me..

That's assuming that the person you're talking to gives a fiddler's fuck about facts. BritPat is one of those folks that firmly believes that the US constitutions, US law, and even history means whatever HE believes it means.

Opinion being accepted as fact is the bread and butter of the right wing echo chamber.

 

[Skylar]

Not so.
Fort Sumter was the property of the United States. The state ceded the land to the United States government in 1836. Construction was supervised by the US Corp of Engineers and paid for by the US government.

Who Owned Fort Sumter Student of the American Civil War

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there. That's true of every overseas military base. Many nations have told the U.S. to send its troops packing. We had no choice but to comply. Unless you want to violate internation law and start a war, that is, which is exactly what Lincoln wanted.

And what international law was violated by Lincoln? Make sure not to tear something when you pull that out of your ass, btw.

 

[bripat9643]

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there. That's true of every overseas military base. Many nations have told the U.S. to send its troops packing. We had no choice but to comply. Unless you want to violate internation law and start a war, that is, which is exactly what Lincoln wanted.

The Confederacy didn't secede the correct way, so they weren't ever really considered a legal sovereign nation. You can't hold an illegitimate nation to the same standards that you hold a real nation. The Confederacy was a joke anyways, no sense in trying to rationalize its claims of legitimacy.

"The correct way?" Where is the "correct way" specified? It's certainly not in the Constitution. Who put you in charge of deciding which nations are "sovereign" and which aren't?

You're the joke. You imagine this crap passes for logic. There's no such thing as a "legitimate nation." Nations are "sovereign" so long as they can maintain control within their borders.

Let me clue you in: I've encountered potted plants with better reasoning skills than you.

 

[-S-]

So...


Yeaaah... and seceding probably didn't change that. Most folks who divorce live up to all the old promises. Happens everyday, somewhere.

You can't 'secede' land that isn't yours. One would think this was obvious. But clearly the concept went right over your head.

The stupidness is sucking in all the intelligence within 50 miles.

Sticks and stones, silly. You can't refute my point. Which is why your posts have degenrated into insults.

You can't secede land that isn't yours anymore than you can will the deed to someone else's house to your kids.

This is basic, basic shit here. And it completely confounds you.

They've completely bought into the "Lost Cause" myth which was created after the South was so severely spanked.

It was a lost cause, so how is that a myth?

You don't understand simply English, do you?

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there. That's true of every overseas military base. Many nations have told the U.S. to send its troops packing. We had no choice but to comply. Unless you want to violate internation law and start a war, that is, which is exactly what Lincoln wanted.

And what international law was violated by Lincoln? Make sure not to tear something when you pull that out of your ass, btw.

Made a thread about this topic.

Might help this one get back on track..

 

[bripat9643]

You can't 'secede' land that isn't yours. One would think this was obvious. But clearly the concept went right over your head.

The stupidness is sucking in all the intelligence within 50 miles.

Sticks and stones, silly. You can't refute my point. Which is why your posts have degenrated into insults.

You can't secede land that isn't yours anymore than you can will the deed to someone else's house to your kids.

This is basic, basic shit here. And it completely confounds you.

They've completely bought into the "Lost Cause" myth which was created after the South was so severely spanked.

It was a lost cause, so how is that a myth?

You don't understand simply English, do you?

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there. That's true of every overseas military base. Many nations have told the U.S. to send its troops packing. We had no choice but to comply. Unless you want to violate internation law and start a war, that is, which is exactly what Lincoln wanted.

And what international law was violated by Lincoln? Make sure not to tear something when you pull that out of your ass, btw.

Made a thread about this topic.

Might help this one get back on track..

You make it, asshole.

 

[bripat9643]

It was the property of the United States, not the territory. If I own land in Jamaica, I can't station troops there and point guns at Jamaican troops when they come to evict me. They have every right to blow me to kingdom come.

The land you own in Jamaca isn't a military base, is it?

Think.

alright, I'll bite (even though this premise is moronic). What difference does it make what I use the land for?

You're literally arguing that the US government didn't have the authority to post troops at a US military base because you can't post troops at land you own in Jamaica.

This is really where you're gonna hang your hat?

If Jamaica tells you to get your troops the hell out, then you have no right to station them there. That's true of every overseas military base. Many nations have told the U.S. to send its troops packing. We had no choice but to comply. Unless you want to violate internation law and start a war, that is, which is exactly what Lincoln wanted.

And what international law was violated by Lincoln? Make sure not to tear something when you pull that out of your ass, btw.

Invading a sovereign nation is a violation of international law, moron. Maintaining troops within a sovereign nations borders when you have been specifically asked to leave is a violation if international law. Violating the territorial waters of a sovereign nation is a violation of international law.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I'm not sure that I know what happened to this thread, mainly, I guess, because I put Bipart on ignore months ago, because he is a whinny kid who lives in his mother's basement and derails threads with his trolling. Come on, guys, consider who you are arguing with here!

 

[bripat9643]

I can't believe there's still an argument over whether the Confederacy started the war or not...

History isn't based on opinion, it's based on fact. Simple as that.

Bripat, Keys, you're both wrong here if you think the Confederacy had any right to US property. The fact that they tried to buy it shows us that even in THEIR warped minds, they realized it wasn't theirs. What is so hard to understand?

Dixiecrats bewilder me..

That's assuming that the person you're talking to gives a fiddler's fuck about facts. BritPat is one of those folks that firmly believes that the US constitutions, US law, and even history means whatever HE believes it means.

Opinion being accepted as fact is the bread and butter of the right wing echo chamber.

Listen to the moron who doesn't even understand or care about the distinction between property and territory.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm not sure that I know what happened to this thread, mainly, I guess, because I put Bipart on ignore months ago, because he is a whinny kid who lives in his mother's basement and derails threads with his trolling. Come on, guys, consider who you are arguing with here!

You put me on ignore because you're coward and a moron who regularly gets shot out of the saddle.