Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists

[surada]

Says the stupid twit who has no idea about history....

You're stubborn and ignorant.

 

[Robert W]

Were the Nazis Socialists?

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?

www.britannica.com

Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.

For some unknown reason, you protect the socialist name and accuse Hitler of getting rid of Socialism. Socialism remained a vital part of Germany until he took his own life and his other leaders surrendered. You do not mention the socialist agenda at all. Clearly protecting Socialism.

 

[Robert W]

Putting The “Nazis Were Socialist” Nonsense To Rest ❧ Current Affairs

<p>Since they liquidated socialists by the score and opposed everything we believe, Nazis were not leftists.</p>

www.currentaffairs.org

It should be perfectly easy to see why the Adolf Hitler’s “National Socialists” had nothing to do with socialism, just as it should be easy to see why Kim Jong-Un’s “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” has nothing to do with democracy or republicanism. After all, what do socialists stand for? Well, a few core principles are:

Clearly your object is to promote Socialism and try to defend socialism because Hitler used it and this angers you.

 

[scruffy]

Of COURSE Nazis are socialists.

They're collectivists.

End of story.

 

[Robert W]

Putting The “Nazis Were Socialist” Nonsense To Rest ❧ Current Affairs

<p>Since they liquidated socialists by the score and opposed everything we believe, Nazis were not leftists.</p>

www.currentaffairs.org

It should be perfectly easy to see why the Adolf Hitler’s “National Socialists” had nothing to do with socialism, just as it should be easy to see why Kim Jong-Un’s “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” has nothing to do with democracy or republicanism. After all, what do socialists stand for? Well, a few core principles are:

You are ulta protective of socialism and clearly you have talked of this before. You seem to think socialists are wonderful people and of course Hitler was not wonderful. But his people loved the man. Not me of course. I spent time living in Germany so got to understand the German form of socialism. Try not to worry about protecting the name which it seems to me and other viewers you love it so much you must rise to protect socialism.
Hitler had massive crowds of Germans who truly were very much in love with him and his government style. If you love socialism so much, why claim Adolph was no socialist? His own people accepted his socialism.

 

[Robert W]

Putting The “Nazis Were Socialist” Nonsense To Rest ❧ Current Affairs

<p>Since they liquidated socialists by the score and opposed everything we believe, Nazis were not leftists.</p>

www.currentaffairs.org

It should be perfectly easy to see why the Adolf Hitler’s “National Socialists” had nothing to do with socialism, just as it should be easy to see why Kim Jong-Un’s “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” has nothing to do with democracy or republicanism. After all, what do socialists stand for? Well, a few core principles are:

You want to talk about North Korea? Tell us why his people love him? A good way to tell is he lives and if there is opposition, they die.

 

[Robert W]

Hoover had been in office for <9 months when Wall St. crashed.
His first budget had barely come to life.
He made it worse but he didn't create the environment that led to the crash.

One might think that Hoover was a favorite of Democrats. Because he operated as did FDR.
The 1920s were a period of optimism and prosperity – for some Americans. When Herbert Hoover became President in 1929, the stock market was climbing to unprecedented levels, and some investors were taking advantage of low interest rates to buy stocks on credit, pushing prices even higher. In October, 1929, the bubble burst, and in less than a week, the market dropped by almost half of its recent record highs. Billions of dollars were lost, and thousands of investors were ruined.

After the stock market crash, President Hoover sought to prevent panic from spreading throughout the economy. In November, he summoned business leaders to the White House and secured promises from them to maintain wages. According to Hoover’s economic theory, financial losses should affect profits, not employment, thus maintaining consumer spending and shortening the downturn. Hoover received commitments from private industry to spend $1.8 billion for new construction and repairs to be started in 1930, to stimulate employment.

The President ordered federal departments to speed up their construction projects and asked all governors to expand public works projects in their states. He asked Congress for a $160 million tax cut while doubling spending for public buildings, dams, highways, and harbors.

1930​

Praise for the President’s intervention was widespread; the New York Times commented, “No one in his place could have done more. Very few of his predecessors could have done as much.” Together, government and business spent more in the first half of 1930 than in the entire previous year. Still consumers cut back their spending, which forced many businesses and manufacturers to reduce their output and lay off their workers.

In October 1930, with unemployment rising, Hoover created the President’s Emergency Committee for Employment (PECE) to coordinate state and local relief programs, and to develop methods for increasing employment in the private sector. But with no direct control of funding for relief or jobs, PECE had only limited success.

As the Depression worsened, Hoover requested that the Federal Reserve increase credit, and he persuaded Congress to transfer agricultural surpluses from the Federal Farm Board to the Red Cross for distribution to relief agencies. Hoover asked Congress for even more spending on public works, and he continued to encourage states and private businesses to generate new jobs.

1931​

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The Great Depression.
Economic conditions improved in early 1931 until a series of bank collapses in Europe sent new shockwaves through the American economy, leading to additional lay-offs. In August 1931, PECE was reorganized as the President’s Organization on Unemployment Relief (POUR). POUR expanded on PECE's work but also implemented a national fund drive for unemployment relief. The national fund drive raised millions of dollars but proved to be woefully inadequate as unemployment soared to record levels.

Hoover was criticized for almost every program he proposed. His public works projects, designed to create jobs, were characterized as wasteful government spending. His efforts to promote local relief programs, rather than asking Congress to create nationwide relief programs, were viewed as callous disregard for the unemployed.

1932​

On January 22, 1932, Hoover established the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) to make emergency loans to businesses in danger of default. At first the RFC lent money only to banks, railroads, and certain agricultural organizations, but the scope of its operations was later expanded, and it proved to be an effective tool for stabilizing business and industry. In July 1932, Hoover signed into law the Emergency Relief Construction Act, which allowed the RFC to lend $300 million to the states for relief programs and $1.5 billion for public works projects. Hoover also persuaded Congress to establish Federal Home Loan Banks to help protect people from losing their homes.

By the summer of 1932, the Great Depression had begun to show signs of improvement, but many people in the United States still blamed President Hoover. With the Presidential election approaching, the Democratic candidate, New York Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt, exuded hope and optimism, and promised the people a "New Deal." Hoover, defending his record, came across as pessimistic and defeated. In November, Roosevelt won in a landslide.

 

[Stryder50]

The problem is that it will not work for all people. No system does. And that is the reality. Poverty and people that have want is not going away. Too many thieves. Too much corruption. Too much cheating. Defense, Medicare, Medicaid, social programs, Social Security and other programs are monstrosities in size and growing. There was a time when a good percentage of people did not have health insurance ut when they paid for things the costs were massively lower also. You would think the government getting involved with supplement those costs. All it did was increase them a thousand-fold it seems. Most hospitals have whole wings dedicated to billing. We now have a growing number of poor and working poor people with children going to sleep hungry. Pure socialism is all people living roughly the same. That does not exist. And since the people pushing it live like royalty it will not happen.

FWIW, the rise in workers having health insurance through their employer was result of wage and price freezes by FDR during World War Two. The remaining option for companies to attract and retain workers was to offer health insurance since they couldn't offer higher wages.

 

[surada]

Clearly your object is to promote Socialism and try to defend socialism because Hitler used it and this angers you.

Don't be deceived by the name. Do you believe the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?

Hitler split from the socialists in 1926.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Friedrich Hayek, a famous economist, proved the Germans of the 30s and 40s were clearly socialists.
So what is the gripe? Apparently American socialists hate the notion that they are not the only socialists. They use propaganda to try to undermine that indeed the Nazis were true socialists. In fact it is difficult to locate a group more socialist than were the Nazis.

This article for example tries to help the socialists of America by denouncing the version by Hayek who lived under those socialists and could easily testify as a true expert about socialism.

To the deniers. Ask why the Germans were so delighted with Hitler until he went to war? Ask how Hitler embarked under massive socialist programs that actually did cause Germany to once more be prosperous.
Because of the German prosperity under Hitler, one might think American socialists would be happy Hitler was a socialist. And point out he did deliver prosperity as they tell us now they can do.

Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists​

Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists

"I would further ask him to concede that whether he agrees with the ends and goals of other socialists, their use of command and control and their introduction of some form of institutional central planning to pursue their declared 'social good' makes their system just as much a 'socialist' one...

www.aier.org

The Third Reich absolutely was not socialist.

Another dumb attempt from the white wing.

 

[Robert W]

Don't be deceived by the name. Do you believe the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?

Hitler split from the socialists in 1926.

You think you are defending Socialism. Actually you are covering for the Socialists. Hitler had many many systems of socialism.

 

[Theowl32]

Friedrich Hayek, a famous economist, proved the Germans of the 30s and 40s were clearly socialists.
So what is the gripe? Apparently American socialists hate the notion that they are not the only socialists. They use propaganda to try to undermine that indeed the Nazis were true socialists. In fact it is difficult to locate a group more socialist than were the Nazis.

This article for example tries to help the socialists of America by denouncing the version by Hayek who lived under those socialists and could easily testify as a true expert about socialism.

To the deniers. Ask why the Germans were so delighted with Hitler until he went to war? Ask how Hitler embarked under massive socialist programs that actually did cause Germany to once more be prosperous.
Because of the German prosperity under Hitler, one might think American socialists would be happy Hitler was a socialist. And point out he did deliver prosperity as they tell us now they can do.

Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists​

Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists

"I would further ask him to concede that whether he agrees with the ends and goals of other socialists, their use of command and control and their introduction of some form of institutional central planning to pursue their declared 'social good' makes their system just as much a 'socialist' one...

www.aier.org

Of course they were. What's even more interesting is why the left are soooooooooooooooo offended by that fact.

Ever wonder why that is? It is very related to why they never ever ever play the mao card or the pol pot card. ONLY the nazi/race card. All related.

Now try and take a wild guess why that claim sets the left off into a frenzy. Before you think it doesn't and some of those liars will deny it, notice it's only the lefttards that refute the facts about it.

Why,?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Friedrich Hayek, a famous economist, proved the Germans of the 30s and 40s were clearly socialists.
So what is the gripe? Apparently American socialists hate the notion that they are not the only socialists. They use propaganda to try to undermine that indeed the Nazis were true socialists. In fact it is difficult to locate a group more socialist than were the Nazis.

This article for example tries to help the socialists of America by denouncing the version by Hayek who lived under those socialists and could easily testify as a true expert about socialism.

To the deniers. Ask why the Germans were so delighted with Hitler until he went to war? Ask how Hitler embarked under massive socialist programs that actually did cause Germany to once more be prosperous.
Because of the German prosperity under Hitler, one might think American socialists would be happy Hitler was a socialist. And point out he did deliver prosperity as they tell us now they can do.

Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists​

Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists

"I would further ask him to concede that whether he agrees with the ends and goals of other socialists, their use of command and control and their introduction of some form of institutional central planning to pursue their declared 'social good' makes their system just as much a 'socialist' one...

www.aier.org

The reason the Nazi's hated the Communist and vice versa is because the many different versions of socialism will always compete against each other to see with which one can cause the most death and misery.

 

[Robert W]

There was a war on jackass

Why did FDR go to war asshole? Why was a fleet stationed in the tiny port called Pearl Harbor? He wanted war. Why did he allow the Japs to bomb Pearl Harbor?

 

[Robert W]

Of course they were. What's even more interesting is why the left are soooooooooooooooo offended by that fact.

Ever wonder why that is? It is very related to why they never ever ever play the mao card or the pol pot card. ONLY the nazi/race card. All related.

Now try and take a wild guess why that claim sets the left off into a frenzy. Before you think it doesn't and some of those liars will deny it, notice it's only the lefttards that refute the facts about it.

Why,?

They love socialism. Say a word about Socialism that is not applauding them and they have a frigging fit.

 

[Lesh]

Why did FDR go to war asshole? Why was a fleet stationed in the tiny port called Pearl Harbor? He wanted war. Why did he allow the Japs to bomb Pearl Harbor?

Asshole? You’re a rambling old fool.

FDR went to war because the Japanese attacked us.

The fleet was moved to a Pearl Harbor to be closer to it possessions (Guam, Wake, the Philippines) that the Japanese had been threatening.

Pearl Harbor was no “tiny port” then or now.

Christ you’re an old fool

 

[Robert W]

Asshole? You’re a rambling old fool.

FDR went to war because the Japanese attacked us.

The fleet was moved to a Pearl Harbor to be closer to it possessions (Guam, Wake, the Philippines) that the Japanese had been threatening.

Pearl Harbor was no “tiny port” then or now.

Christ you’re an old fool

I have been to Pearl Harbor and now it does not seem tiny.

Why is that? Because it does not have very many ships there.

But then it contained over 130 ships of war. FDR allowed the harbor to be attacked.

 

[Lesh]

I have been to Pearl Harbor and now it does not seem tiny.

Why is that? Because it does not have very many ships there.

But then it contained over 130 ships of war. FDR allowed the harbor to be attacked.

Pearl Harbor is not tiny you friggin moron

 

[Robert W]

Pearl Harbor is not tiny you friggin moron

When it has 130 ships there it sure seems tiny. Clearly you never bothered to learn history at all. Amazon product

 

[Robert W]

The reason the Nazi's hated the Communist and vice versa is because the many different versions of socialism will always compete against each other to see with which one can cause the most death and misery.

I agree that is a good part of why Hitler is accused of hating the Soviets. But don't forget he allied with them in a treaty. Socialists pretend that Hitler never made treaties with the Soviets.